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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 6, 2013 17:51:51 GMT -5
i do love buscemi hes my favourite actor ,ive even got a caracature type thing of nucky thompson hung up in my dorm room that i bought from some wierd shop i think he sounds different in this movie because hes supposed to be saying things as if theyre forced more; like when you talk to someone you dont know your voice usually sounds alot different than when your normally talking. Also his mood is pretty different to what we have seen in the original and i expect that would affect the tone. i dont realy get the whole thing of Randall not sounding like steve in MI i always thought he sounded just like him lol as a kid id always get excited when he was on tv or in cartoon not because it was steve but because it was Randall haha Haha, Steve's my favourite actor as well. He's amazing as Nucky! That's a good explanation actually, it's so true that people's tone of voice changes depending on the situation so that does really make sense. I always felt like Steve's voice as Randall was a touch different, not massively but there's just a slightly different quality to it, though I find it difficult to pinpoint. That might just be my skewed perception though haha!
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 6, 2013 17:48:59 GMT -5
It's okay, I'll lock this thread up seeing as we have another one.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 6, 2013 4:40:14 GMT -5
Awesome. ♥ Steve, he is amazing and also hot. XD I wish there wasn't the background music in the 2nd video....makes it harder to clearly hear their lines. I found that if you listen to it with headphones, the music is going into only one of the earphones so you can take it out and just listen to what they're saying with the other one. PBL, I'd always assumed that they hadn't really thought about different accents and had just let the voice actors voice the characters in whatever way they thought suited them best; Sulley just sort of sounds like John Goodman as is, Mike is a high-pitched Billy Crystal, and so on. You're right that Randall definitely has an 'accent', and it's really distinctive in comparison to the more vanilla tones of the other monsters in MI, especially considering he doesn't sound much like Steve either. But part of me thinks that was an unconscious thing because as we can see in this latest video, the 'accent' has changed so much that it makes me wonder whether they really gave it much thought in the first place. Do you think Steve, when reading out Randy's lines, sounds much like himself? I can't really tell if it's just a high-pitched version of his own voice or whether there's something more different about it. I totally agree cherry, Steve looks GREAT in these videos! Very fresh-faced and healthy.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 20:14:09 GMT -5
Haha, yes it does!
And thanks, thought I'd at least put something up there in the meanwhile, but the sizing of the new banners is really weird. I mean, it looks good stretching right across like that but if I'd known they were going to change so drastically I'd have waited until after the update to start work on the new one haha! Ah well.
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Jun 5, 2013 19:42:57 GMT -5
Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 19:42:57 GMT -5
Hello! Welcome to BB, insomnia. We can't wait either, haha!
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 19:41:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I noticed a change in his accent too, PBL. In fact, it's not just his accent- I know the fact that his vocabulary is more traditional has been pointed out before, but I guess hearing Steve read out lines really brought it home; whereas Randall would perhaps say words and phrases like "why dontcha?" and "buster", things that have an almost, I don't know, Brooklyn feel to them (please correct me if I'm wrong- I'm no good at placing American dialects) Randy has such a different vocabulary that (so far) he's almost unrecognisable. I wonder whether there's a geographic basis to these changes, including the accent change, or if it's just the, er, winds of change, haha. Perhaps the more confident Randall finds it easier to throw slang around, whilst the insecure Randy prefers to stick to his more gentle lexicon?
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 19:23:59 GMT -5
It's more that he's just so positive and enthusiastic about Randall, he really gets into the lines Randall has to say, he wants Randall to come across as cheerful and enthusiastic as possible. It really seems like it was Dan's idea to go in this direction with Randall in the first place (and if it wasn't, he's a massive fan of it!) because he doesn't want Steve to hold back in his delivery- he wants Randy to almost sound OTT in his desperation to come across well, in his eager-to-please-ness, haha.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 19:20:35 GMT -5
I agree- as I said, I don't think he's a jealous person naturally, or that he always has such negative feelings, but the situation he was put in for a long period of time meant that these viewpoints developed.
I guess I think there's a difference between simply wanting something that you don't have, and wanting something that someone else has. Randall in general wants a lot of stuff that he doesn't have, and that's completely understandable. But I also think that he directly wants the stuff that Sulley has, and his focus of hatred on a particular person is what makes me think of him as jealous. He wants people to care about him like they care about Sulley, and the fact that he actively mistreats Sulley for that reason (amongst several reasons) is where I think the jealousy stems from.
Totally agree that the "he got what he deserved" line was partly to himself as well as to Waternoose; it's like Randall was trying to convince himself that all of this stuff was still right, trying to justify his actions. It must be an awful position to be in, with a part of you screaming out that this is all very, very wrong, but with the rest of you knowing that by that point, you really don't have much choice but to carry on.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 19:06:39 GMT -5
Well, try your best to watch it ASAP- I think it's the one thing so far that's blown my mind more than anything else, for some reason, even more than seeing that clip of Randy getting shocked and turning invisible (though, to be fair, that was also mind-blowing considering it was our first glimpse of him in action).
All I will say is that a lot of the lines in the junior novel seem to have been directly used in the movie (at least, if the video with Steve is showing lines that made it into the final cut, but I'm guessing they probably did). I've watched the video again and again and I just can't comprehend that essentially it's Randall saying this stuff...It's so weird.
Plus Dan Scanlon is just SO into the whole thing, he loves Randall, even makes a comment about the whole cupcakes thing that shows how much he's fallen in love with the character...Aaah!
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 18:55:44 GMT -5
Hmm, I see what you're getting at- there's a lot of frustration there, a lot of anger and bitterness and resentment. And it does always seem like Sulley gets all the luck in life whilst Randall seems to struggle through (and that would have been a really strong feeling in Randall considering the 'lucky' doors that Sulley seems to get- whether or not Randall suspects something dodgy going on, it's difficult to deny that luck is on Sulley's side). But I still personally believe that all of those feelings basically fit into the dictionary definition of 'jealous': it doesn't matter whether Sulley's success is through luck or true personal achievement, it's stuff that Randall wants, it's stuff that fuelled their rivalry- to me, it made Randall feel truly envious of what Sulley has and if he's envious, he's jealous.
I'm not saying that Randall is a jealous person in general, but it's something I'm sure we've all felt at one time or another- "why does he get to have that and I don't?", that sort of feeling. Since life is inherently unfair, it's a very common feeling to have- even if you're happy for a friend about something, you can be jealous of them too. So I'm not trying to criticise Randall, but at the same time I think it's good to recognise that he is a flawed character and it's my personal belief that at least part of the reason why he did what he did in MI was through jealousy, through wanting what Sulley had. If Sulley had appreciated it more overtly, I can't imagine Randall would have felt any less strongly towards him; merely the fact that Sulley has all of this luck is enough to drive Randall to have bad feelings towards him.
However, again, this is all open to interpretation and this is just my opinion. It's cool to discuss these things either way. ;D
Also, I like your point about that scene where Sulley returns from banishment: the look on Randall's face really says it all...In some ways it's not surprising that Randall was driven to wanting to kill Sulley off with his bare hands (though of course I don't condone it), because every time he tried to get rid of the big guy, he somehow managed to bounce back. Now THAT'S frustrating, haha.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 18:37:03 GMT -5
*shrugs* My dyslexic flash loader -_- Automatic response probably, and it's not...I don't think it's professional, I guess, to retract what you said on-interview, so he just had to roll with it. He said it kind of fast and the purpose of what he was saying at the time was his gratitude for being in a Pixar film, in any way. Haha, no worries. Yeah, exactly, makes sense. He seems to be quite fond and positive about Randall in general so it's all good.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 18:35:45 GMT -5
So just to point out that this new 'look' for the boards is not of my doing- I've been making a new banner and all but I guess this is just some sort of general Proboards update. Not entirely sure where our old banner and footer have gone but bear with me whilst I try to figure out how to upload the new one! Hmm, this wasn't you? That's weird, the other Boggs Board is still the same, either way I actually really like this new interface. Nope, not me! Maybe they're doing a staggered approach with the changes, sort of like how some people get a new Facebook layout before others when there's an update? Glad you like it though! I think it looks cleaner but it seems odd for now, will probably take a while to get used to. Anyway, I've been trying to upload at least some sort of banner, even just the old one, but the new design means that the old banner is the wrong size and can't be fitted properly unless it's tessellated (which looks awful). The new banner is also obviously the wrong size so I'm trying to edit it at the moment, but I don't want to upload it until it's ready so it'll probably be a day or two before the new one is up. Sorry guys!
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 18:20:25 GMT -5
Ok, I was able to find the interview...but the B-roll, no go. Hopefully that'll follow soon (as I've noticed other line readings from other actors for the film) Anyway...he talks briefly about Randall...mostly positive. I guess the "villain" note was just about what Disney thought of Randall at the time or something, as he said before...well...look at LG's sig ^0^ Also his mention of the RORs about how Randall "falls in with them". Kind of sounds like "falling in with a bad crowd" don't it? Err, I gave another link in my first post- the second link is the one with Steve acting out some of Randy's lines (though at first we see John Goodman and Billy Crystal- Steve comes in at about 2 minutes). Unless you meant you couldn't load it? Yeah, perhaps referring to Randall as a 'villain' is almost an easy or automatic thing to do, and I agree that Steve's wording takes the blame off Randall and onto the 'crowd' he falls in with, definitely a good thing.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 16:15:57 GMT -5
Looks absolutely beautiful!
And yes, I wonder what they're looking at...Johnny's clearly not happy!
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 5, 2013 16:14:46 GMT -5
So just to point out that this new 'look' for the boards is not of my doing- I've been making a new banner and all but I guess this is just some sort of general Proboards update. Not entirely sure where our old banner and footer have gone but bear with me whilst I try to figure out how to upload the new one!
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