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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 2, 2013 14:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 2, 2013 14:37:28 GMT -5
Yeah, that IS harsh. The guy was just trying to gain some respect and help out his people with their "energy crisis". I can guarantee that if Waternoose had approached Mike and Sulley, instead of Randall, with the same idea, they'd have jumped all over it, no regrets whatsoever.
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Post by TheOnePistol on Jun 2, 2013 18:21:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that IS harsh. The guy was just trying to gain some respect and help out his people with their "energy crisis". I can guarantee that if Waternoose had approached Mike and Sulley, instead of Randall, with the same idea, they'd have jumped all over it, no regrets whatsoever. pitbulllady I don't know, the difference was that Randall was desperate and Waternoose used that. Sully and Mike would have had no real reason to go with it, they were already on top.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 2, 2013 19:18:45 GMT -5
Yeah, that IS harsh. The guy was just trying to gain some respect and help out his people with their "energy crisis". I can guarantee that if Waternoose had approached Mike and Sulley, instead of Randall, with the same idea, they'd have jumped all over it, no regrets whatsoever. pitbulllady I don't know, the difference was that Randall was desperate and Waternoose used that. Sully and Mike would have had no real reason to go with it, they were already on top. All Waternoose would have had to have done was play the "energy crisis" card, and tell them that by building this machine, they'd solve the energy crisis(which HE probably had set up), and they'd be heroes forever. Mike would not in any way, shape of form be able to turn THAT down! His team might have been on top, but that didn't diminish his need to put his ego up on a pedestal for all the world to see. Sulley would have gone along with it just because Mike said so. Neither of them would have had any moral issues with it, I can promise that much. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 2, 2013 21:24:44 GMT -5
This may have been a saying by Randy...but one he openly didn't share, considering his demeanor and shyness. He may want to BELIEVE that... Heck...at that age, Randall was probably wanting to believe MANY things. To make friends, to trust others, to be kind and courtesy....
I don't know what statement they're even making with that blurb. I mean sure, seems to be insulting... Anyway, I don't like facebook too much, I don't take much credibility to it. === To be honest, that situation is a stretch. NEITHER of them has the technical knowledge Randall has ^0^ BUT...if they did, I would imagine Sullivan would have gone along with things, for the prospect of helping out people, giving them needed energy. Wazowski? He would have ensured they would have got credit, maybe even trying to edge the boss for a loan.
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Post by mintygreen on Jun 2, 2013 22:39:32 GMT -5
Reminds me of that "Stop blending in." slogan I saw in the store window of a clothing store recently.
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Post by CrazyDiamond on Jun 3, 2013 16:38:32 GMT -5
What makes that post/image almost haunting is how it turns a great message into sarcasm The world IS in need of people whose ideas go well beyond the usual "cool iPhone accessories" on Kickstarter. Most people, because of a reason that eludes me, view Randall as the MI villain who tried to kill kids. Now, does it make any sense to have a villain giving good-hearted advice to kids? I don't think so. Let's face it, most kids, especially younger ones, view movie villains as more menacing than real-world ones. They might fear Randall more than... there I say it: Hitler. Now, would that motivational picture be still funny with young Hitler instead of Randy Boggs? Of course not. Ironically, that is how young kids might see that image. I can only hope that they won't get the impression that having good ideas and exploring them is a bad thing! The one positive thing about this image is, honestly, that it is the first time when anyone from Disney or Pixar actually admitted that Randall believed that he was pursuing a good idea in MI. That's something we previously couldn't even dream of happening. That admitting is something we previously couldn't even dream of happening.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 3, 2013 18:24:23 GMT -5
Welcome to Disney! ^0^ Where dreams come true, for the right price! Where, like any disney princess, you can do anything, as long as your incredibly hot! *chuckles*
Little Adolf....he's growing up, as little boys do, he's grown a mustache, and he's only 2. He's a pyrotechnic, and he likes to play with knives, and our little buddy gives the weirdest high fiiiiives....Little Adolf, he's a dic-tat-or tot. Sorry, I just had to.
We? 0_0 He was pursuing a good idea, we were the only ones who saw what he was trying to do 0_0 Supply energy to a city in a massive shortage 0_0
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Post by CrazyDiamond on Jun 3, 2013 18:52:10 GMT -5
We? 0_0 He was pursuing a good idea, we were the only ones who saw what he was trying to do 0_0 Supply energy to a city in a massive shortage 0_0 Well, that's what I was referring to. That we couldn't even dream of Disney/Pixar admitting that he was pursuing an idea he honestly believed to be good (good for the reasons you listed). Back then, it was all about him just being jealous etc. Now there's finally an official photo that accepts Randall's POV on things, and that's good.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 3, 2013 18:54:18 GMT -5
OH, of Disney/Pixar admitting it. Ok gotcha.
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Post by CrazyDiamond on Jun 3, 2013 19:00:04 GMT -5
OH, of Disney/Pixar admitting it. Ok gotcha. Modified post to avoid confusion of others
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 4, 2013 11:09:12 GMT -5
As much as I do think Randall wanted to help out with the energy crisis, I have to play devil's advocate and say I think his main motivation probably was to earn the respect of his peers, and that he was very much driven by jealousy and couldn't resist the chance to one-up Mike, Sulley, and everyone else who had ever put him down in the past. Don't get me wrong, the fact that he was going to potentially solve the energy crisis would probably have been the reasoning he used to justify the whole thing to himself, but I always got the feeling that he really just wanted to show everyone what he was 'made of', so to speak, and that even if the SE theoretically couldn't solve the energy crisis, he probably would've gone ahead anyway.
Though people do things for lots of reasons and those reasons change over time, so there's a chance that he genuinely focused on the whole 'solving the energy crisis' thing to begin with (and it's likely this is the approach Waternoose used to convince Randall to sign up in the first place) but as time went on and Randall got more and more stressed, with Sulley simultaneously seeming to become more and more successful, his original motivations might have changed. It's just that, in MI itself, Randall is very focused on the whole "people are going to look up to me" thing. But, again, this is just my speculation, and I agree that it's cool how Disney/Pixar have basically admitted that he did, on the whole, genuinely think of it as a good idea and it was (originally, at least) motivated by a good cause.
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Post by CrazyDiamond on Jun 4, 2013 14:07:12 GMT -5
I do have to agree with you, but with a twist. My current impression is that MU conveys the notion that Scarers are elitist jerks. Sulley is "redeemed" from this elitism by Mike, Mike never truly becomes a member of he elite, and Randall learns to hate it with passion. At some point, Randall decides to make Scarers obsolete, and SE is the tool to do that. With SE, regardless of whether it would solve the crisis or not, there would be no leader boards, no scores, no ROR... No Scare Games. Monsters, inc. would be just a factory, and not a stadium. Everything that made him feel so miserable since his college years would be gone. Being a boss of it all would just be the icing in the cake.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 4, 2013 15:27:30 GMT -5
I really like that interpretation, especially considering Randall's line, "with this machine, we won't even need Scarers" (or something to that effect)- it was a line I never really got since I always figured that Randall would be at least somewhat attached to his role as a Scarer, but what you've said makes complete sense. I'd never really thought about it that way, but now you've said it, it seems so right!
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Post by CrazyDiamond on Jun 4, 2013 16:18:29 GMT -5
I really like that interpretation, especially considering Randall's line, "with this machine, we won't even need Scarers" (or something to that effect)- it was a line I never really got since I always figured that Randall would be at least somewhat attached to his role as a Scarer, but what you've said makes complete sense. I'd never really thought about it that way, but now you've said it, it seems so right! I had this idea while reading Randy's description in MU. It puts a lot of emphasis on how he's looking forward to the experience. I think it's safe to say that happy experience is the only thing he doesn't get. He just learns that scarers are nothing but proud jerks - posers who feel they are important only because they were born scary. Also, if beating Sullivan was his lifetime goal, he should be inebriated with joy after he got banished in MI. But he isn't. He merely focuses on the machine...
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