tmazanec1
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Post by tmazanec1 on Sept 26, 2006 14:05:51 GMT -5
I missed that one. Maybe monsters, coming from so many different biologies, can be allergic to each other sometimes (I heard this rarely happens even with humans) and Mike was using that as an excuse. Mike DEFINITELY has problems with Randall, but he is in love with Celia and told her not to cut her "hair", the only other reptilianism we see in the movie.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 26, 2006 14:16:20 GMT -5
Thanks Cool ^_^
Wazowski is a hands-down reptile-racist. You can tell do to the way he talks about Randall behind his back and the outright "lizard-boy" thing that Pitbulllady explained. And as we discussed before, none of us would be surprised if it was WAZOWSKI'S IDEA to banish Randall.....exhile, excuse me.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 26, 2006 14:19:57 GMT -5
Just recalling a thought about Celia. Even though she has snakes on her head, she isn't specifically classifed as reptilian. (Knew that would come back to me ^_^)
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Post by lizardgirl on Sept 26, 2006 14:25:09 GMT -5
And also, even if she is considered part repitillian, she has what would apparantly be considered redeeming features in the Monster World- for example, her being a cyclops.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 26, 2006 14:26:17 GMT -5
Bingo! ^_^
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Post by lizardgirl on Sept 26, 2006 14:28:12 GMT -5
But Randall, on the other hand, is almost entirely covered in scales, and the general shape of his body is quite repitillian, so there's nothing to 'make up' for this fact, so to speak.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 26, 2006 14:29:25 GMT -5
Well the racist term is "Scaly" so ^_^
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tmazanec1
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Post by tmazanec1 on Sept 26, 2006 14:41:23 GMT -5
Maybe it is my tendency to not discriminate (probably comes from my upbringing with Asperger's...I did NOT have a good time with the kids at school) but I just do not pick up on any speciesism in MI.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 26, 2006 14:44:01 GMT -5
I'm not a discriminator as well. But there is a good reflection that there IS racism. Reptilian Mons can be considered the African Americans of the time several years ago in our world. And they are treated much the same way. Even in religions, Reptiles are mostly regarded as evil creatures from the underworld (would say the true word, but don't want to curse heh ^_^)
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tmazanec1
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Post by tmazanec1 on Sept 26, 2006 15:12:56 GMT -5
1) Maybe Randall is in an unusual position. As pointed out in the commentary, you can't gossip or badmouth him. He can slither through layrinthine passageways, cling to walls, turn invisible...he could be two feet from you and you would never know. Besides, he is 99 and 44% the top scarer, so he has to get some respect from everybody but Sullly (and he is too nice a guy to to be a bigot). 2) But it is weird that Watermoose hired Celia as receptionist in that case. It is stated on his scare card that H2Oalces is 142 years old. That means he was born in 1859. If the history of Monster World parallels our own in race relations, he was born when reptiles were property. He is in a major corporation that has been in his family for three generations. If you would expect anyone to be an Archie Bunker type, it would be him. Surely there are plenty of ways for such a CEO not to hire a receptionist with snake hair. She would get interviewed, of course,for appearances, but so would many other prospects (just put a help wanted add in the paper and get a stack of resumes as tall as Ted). And it is not like talent as a receptionist is something you can measure or even put your finger on, If he has to hire a certain percentage of reptiles for equal opportunity, he can put them in as maids or something. He had the resources to fight any lawsuit or complaint a retile is likely to make.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 26, 2006 15:14:56 GMT -5
And....could you break that all down to simple points?
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tmazanec1
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Post by tmazanec1 on Sept 26, 2006 15:21:16 GMT -5
I diveded my two thoughts into paragraphs. Is that enough?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 26, 2006 15:24:26 GMT -5
Thank you ^_^
First off...nearly most of the respect Sullivan gets is simply fan respect. We see this when Randall REGAINS his Top Scarer position and they clutter all over him, then when Sullivan steals it again they go flooding back to him. Rather pathedic wouldn't you say? ^_^
It's probably possible Wazowski helped Celia get a job. Or someone else who worked in the company. Heck, even Randall might've help ^_^ (In terms of Wazowski....(Friends of Sullivan = Personal Contact with CEO ^_^).
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 26, 2006 20:05:30 GMT -5
1) Maybe Randall is in an unusual position. As pointed out in the commentary, you can't gossip or badmouth him. He can slither through layrinthine passageways, cling to walls, turn invisible...he could be two feet from you and you would never know. Besides, he is 99 and 44% the top scarer, so he has to get some respect from everybody but Sullly (and he is too nice a guy to to be a bigot). 2) But it is weird that Watermoose hired Celia as receptionist in that case. It is stated on his scare card that H2Oalces is 142 years old. That means he was born in 1859. If the history of Monster World parallels our own in race relations, he was born when reptiles were property. He is in a major corporation that has been in his family for three generations. If you would expect anyone to be an Archie Bunker type, it would be him. Surely there are plenty of ways for such a CEO not to hire a receptionist with snake hair. She would get interviewed, of course,for appearances, but so would many other prospects (just put a help wanted add in the paper and get a stack of resumes as tall as Ted). And it is not like talent as a receptionist is something you can measure or even put your finger on, If he has to hire a certain percentage of reptiles for equal opportunity, he can put them in as maids or something. He had the resources to fight any lawsuit or complaint a retile is likely to make. Waternoose shows his contempt of reptilian monsters in another way: by specifically USING one to do his dirty work, because, among other things, he would have considered Randall to be "disposable", if you will. To him, Randall simply had no other usefullness or reason for existing beyond what Waternoose could get out of him, in terms of using him to design and build the Scream Extractor. If anyone actually believes that Waternoose actually intended to reward Randall with an important executive position in that company following the successful completion and testing of the Scream Extractor, I've got some prime beach-front property in Nebraska I'd love to sell 'em, and I'll even throw in this bridge in Brooklyn, absolutely free! One of the clues that Waternoose had a plan all along to get rid of Randall in some way or another is that scene on the Scare Floor, when Waternoose, accompanied by the CDA, calls down Boo's door. He tells the CDA agents that the guilty party will be on that door. Now, I guess most people don't think much about it, and figure he means Sulley and Mike, right? BUT, if you recall, Waternoose specifically ordered Randall to kill all three-Mike, Sulley AND Boo, and the last time Randall was seen by anyone on the Scare Floor, he was charging up that pole in hot pursuit of them. Waternoose had no way of knowing, and probably little reason to assume, that Randall was actually the one who'd gotten the short end of the stick, so to speak. He would have instead figured that Randall had accomplished his grim task, but probably also suspected(perhaps from earlier conversations between the two of them)that Randall had more of a "soft spot" for "the kid" than he liked to let on, and therefore probably had spared her and would try to put her back through her door(which I DO believe Randall WAS trying to do when Sulley finally caught up with him). When Waternoose brought that particular door down from the Door Vault, he most likely figured that he'd find NOT Mike and Sulley, but RANDALL(along with "the kid")on it, and that Randall was indeed the one he planned on turning over to the CDA, to take the blame for all that had happened. Most likely, Waternoose had had this in mind for some time, as a sort of "Plan B", in the event that the authorities somehow found out about the machine-make it look like Randall planned the whole thing and built that machine right there in the factory, under Waternoose's very nose, so to speak, without anyone suspecting a thing until he got caught. It would have been the word of a rich, powerful CEO against that of a lowly, unpopular lizard monster, after all. As for why he'd hire reptilian monsters in the first place, whether Randall, or if you tend to think of her that way-Celia Mae, that can be explained by two words: Affirmative Action. As a minority, reptilian/scaly monster might have had at least SOME degree of legal assistance in finding jobs, that established "quotas" in most workplaces. Knowing that most others would believe that he'd only been hired to help fill a legal quota, rather than for his ability and skills, would have made a highly-competitive individual like Randall work ten times harder than anyone else just to prove himself, and would have also made him an easy target for someone like Waternoose to take advantage of. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 26, 2006 20:10:26 GMT -5
W...Wow ^_^
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