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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 25, 2006 19:03:17 GMT -5
Well maybe you're right. But he is um...someone who is really bad. The Waternoose line CAN be considered villanious ^_^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2006 19:03:55 GMT -5
Well as I said.....it's really just different beliefs and views.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 25, 2006 19:54:13 GMT -5
Waternoose is just an evil, stupid, spider thing! Henry J. Waternoose most DEFINATELY was NOT stupid! To the contrary, he was very, very clever, and had a knack, no doubt honed from years at the top of the corporate ladder, for being able to "read" people, and spot their weaknesses. He certainly knew Randall to be an easy mark if ever there was one! It is also horribly hypocritical to claim that Randall is not evil, yet Waternoose is. I personally do not believe that anyone is totally evil or totally good, although there's no doubt in my mind that DEEDS can be good or evil. Waternoose also was not a "spider thing", but more of a "crab thing", clearly having the exoskeletal and limb structure of a crab, NOT a spider. Had he actually been more obviously spider-like, the audience would have started thinking right away that he was up to no good, for the same reason that they are supposed to feel that way about Randall: peoople in general dislike and fear spiders as much so, or MORE so, than they fear reptiles! pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 25, 2006 19:55:58 GMT -5
Well in terms of planning maybe ^_^ Then again I'm doubting he knows much of the mechanics of Monsters Inc. ^_^
Maybe he just bears a resemblance to Mr. Crabs from Spongebob ^_^
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 25, 2006 20:06:10 GMT -5
Well actually, that's only assuming that their society is Ultra Conservative. I could easily cite examples of DRASTIC changes that took place in the US and some of the people who initiated them LIVED to see them. I certainly would not characterize the US as "Ultra conservative", nor most of Europe, but I can guarantee that the majority of people you ask in either continent will believe that most snakes and spiders are dangerous to humans. POLITICAL viewpoints have nothing to do with age-old beliefs. One of our local State Representatives, whom I know personally, is as Liberal a Democrat as ever walked the planet, but you cannot convince him that a CORN Snake cannot, in some manner, kill or seriously injure a human being! Like generation after generation of people in the South, he's been brought up to believe that snakes are dangerous, and the only good snake is a DEAD snake! He has, year after year, supported legistlation to ban the ownership of ALL reptiles and other "exotic" animals as pets, under the assumption that they are all dangerous to humans. In fact, when it comes to the belief that such-and-such animals are dangerous and threatening and must be regulated/banned by the government, LIBERALS are overwhelmingly the ones in support of such legistlation, with few exceptions, since they believe it's the government's responsibility to protect us from anything that might do us harm. I know this all too well, having battled many a bill in my homestate that was intended to protect citizens by banning snakes, iguanas, Pit Bulls, "wolf-dogs", you name it. I've dealt with humans and their hang-ups, misconceptions and outright phobias of animals for far too long to believe that any society which mirrors our own, whether Liberal or Conservative, is going to just abandon notions that have been handed down for generation after generation, practically overnight, just because one or two people say those beliefs aren't true. Besides, since, according to Roz, "none of this EVER happened", what proof would Mike and Sulley have? Absolutely none! They cannot even let on that they were in direct contact with a human child, so if either of them started making such ludicrous assertions, they'd probably be carted off by the Guys In White Jackets. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 25, 2006 20:10:46 GMT -5
Either way we'd all LOVE to see THAT ^_^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2006 20:12:03 GMT -5
I....didn't really say overnight as you probably read. I said that the people who instituted these changes lived to see them and if I have to.....I WILL cite examples.
Not to mention....I wasn't citing POLITICAL examples but actual ways of thinking and beliefs.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 25, 2006 20:14:32 GMT -5
Well in terms of planning maybe ^_^ Then again I'm doubting he knows much of the mechanics of Monsters Inc. ^_^ Maybe he just bears a resemblance to Mr. Crabs from Spongebob ^_^ A CEO would not NEED to know "mechanics", if by that you mean actually physical machinery. I seriously doubt that Bill Gates could change the oil in his own car, but why would he need to? Waternoose knew how people thought, how they functioned, how to read their emotions and spot weaknesses, and how to take advantage of those weaknesses. He also knew how to spot people's STRENGTHS, and take advantage of those as well, whether they were in actual mechanics, or financial management, or taking charge of other people, or dealing with the public and media, whatever. THAT is what makes a business leader successful, NOT knowing how the actual machinery in the business works, or how to invent and design things. That is completely irrelevent when you can pay others to keep up with stuff like that. Waternoose knew extremely well how the company, in terms of its employees and its stakeholders functioned, and this is where he proves his brilliance. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 25, 2006 20:17:07 GMT -5
Well yeah we know that ^_^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2006 20:26:23 GMT -5
But you know.....I'd rather leave the Board than argue with anyone here.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 25, 2006 20:28:12 GMT -5
I....didn't really say overnight as you probably read. I said that the people who instituted these changes lived to see them and if I have to.....I WILL cite examples. Not to mention....I wasn't citing POLITICAL examples but actual ways of thinking and beliefs. Then go right ahead-I'm game. If by these "examples" you are referring to such things as gains in Civil Rights, those cannot compare, in any way, shape or form, to beliefs that have been around for THOUSANDS upon thousand of years! Misconceptions about other races of people are "johnny-come-latelies" compared to those regarding other species. It has taken literally thousands of years, since Biblical times, for example, for a noticeable number of people in the US to finally grasp that wolves are not Satan incarnate, and there are still people who believe that wolves are inherently vicious and eat people, enough so as to influence lawmakers to ban any canine that LOOKS like it might be part wolf! Where the monsters' beliefs about humans are concerned, you have to first of all realize that humans are a different species, from a different WORLD, so there has been little opportunity to find out much about us. Humans are NOT regarded as merely a race of monster, but as "lower animals", and before the monsters can come to accept that human children are not toxic, they must FIRST come to accept humans as equals to monsters in terms of intellect, emotions, moral aptitude, etc. Again, we aren't talking about beliefs that have been in place for a few hundred years, but have been handed down from generation to generation since before the Mons had any written history! And in light of that, six years IS "overnight". Shoot, the monsters still apparently believe that certain kinds of MONSTERS are "creepy" and "bad" by default, and surely there has been efforts to change those attitudes, with little sucess, so it's going to take a whole lot longer to change things regarding attitudes about humans! Again, if you know of any specific changes, across the populace, in terms of attitudes towards any other species that have done a more-or-less 180-degree turn, when the original belief that was changed had been around since before written history, I'd love to hear it. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 25, 2006 20:30:10 GMT -5
*Chef's voice* Now now children...play nice ^_^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2006 20:33:35 GMT -5
No, no, I'd rather leave...ahem, resign, than bring on a confrontration.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 25, 2006 20:37:26 GMT -5
It's discussion guys ^_^ Come on ^_^ Lets all take a deep breath and exhale. AAAAHHHH........PHHEWWWW.....*cough*
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2006 20:38:30 GMT -5
No, it's how most business relationships work. If an associate well......dishonors himself, he'll offer to resign to avoid future problems.
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