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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 20, 2012 6:23:03 GMT -5
I'd read somewhere way back when I first got into this fandom that Randall's middle initial was "J", with no explanation as to what it stood for. In my own little head canon, it was for "Joseph", but I honestly don't recall where I saw that initial and in fact had questioned as to whether I actually DID read it somewhere or it just popped in there. Apparently I did, though, since it has resurfaced again that his middle name starts with "J".
Sulley DOES seem like waaaay more of a jerk than Randall does in all of the pics, and if he has anything to do with how Randall turned out, that still makes him a First-Class A$$ in my book, no matter how he tries to come off in the original movie, because of how he "handles" the product that HE basically is responsible for.
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Post by mintygreen on Dec 20, 2012 17:24:30 GMT -5
I'd read somewhere way back when I first got into this fandom that Randall's middle initial was "J", with no explanation as to what it stood for. In my own little head canon, it was for "Joseph", but I honestly don't recall where I saw that initial and in fact had questioned as to whether I actually DID read it somewhere or it just popped in there. Apparently I did, though, since it has resurfaced again that his middle name starts with "J". Sulley DOES seem like waaaay more of a jerk than Randall does in all of the pics, and if he has anything to do with how Randall turned out, that still makes him a First-Class A$$ in my book, no matter how he tries to come off in the original movie, because of how he "handles" the product that HE basically is responsible for. pitbulllady That's interesting about his middle name starting with a J. I do wonder what it is. Also, yeah....about Sulley....you know if I were him and I kept getting employee of the month every single month I would have actually complained to the boss about that. I would really HATE to actually get employee of the month every single month. I would feel really bad for other people who work just as hard. Just because someone might always have the top score doesn't mean you should make that person employee of the month every month. Sulley should have complained about that if he really wanted it to be fair as he claimed. I mean, it could just be that Sulley is really not that smart though....he never seemed like the most intelligent character. I wonder but is there any evidence that Sulley got paid more than Randall? I have heard that it was stated in a fact book that Randall makes minimum wage. Does Sulley make more? I know that at some jobs you get a BONUS for more sales/doing better than other employees and so I wonder if Sulley made a decent amount more than Randall, even though Randall was never that far behind Sulley in points. I just thought of that possibility due to the job my boyfriend recently had....in which case he actually got paid nothing except when he made sales! And his employer tried to get him to do something illegal to better the company too! He refused to do the illegal stuff and I'm glad he quit, it was "soul sucking" as he described that job. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Randall's job was similar.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 20, 2012 18:03:10 GMT -5
I'd read somewhere way back when I first got into this fandom that Randall's middle initial was "J", with no explanation as to what it stood for. In my own little head canon, it was for "Joseph", but I honestly don't recall where I saw that initial and in fact had questioned as to whether I actually DID read it somewhere or it just popped in there. Apparently I did, though, since it has resurfaced again that his middle name starts with "J". Sulley DOES seem like waaaay more of a jerk than Randall does in all of the pics, and if he has anything to do with how Randall turned out, that still makes him a First-Class A$$ in my book, no matter how he tries to come off in the original movie, because of how he "handles" the product that HE basically is responsible for. pitbulllady That's interesting about his middle name starting with a J. I do wonder what it is. Also, yeah....about Sulley....you know if I were him and I kept getting employee of the month every single month I would have actually complained to the boss about that. I would really HATE to actually get employee of the month every single month. I would feel really bad for other people who work just as hard. Just because someone might always have the top score doesn't mean you should make that person employee of the month every month. Sulley should have complained about that if he really wanted it to be fair as he claimed. I mean, it could just be that Sulley is really not that smart though....he never seemed like the most intelligent character. I wonder but is there any evidence that Sulley got paid more than Randall? I have heard that it was stated in a fact book that Randall makes minimum wage. Does Sulley make more? I know that at some jobs you get a BONUS for more sales/doing better than other employees and so I wonder if Sulley made a decent amount more than Randall, even though Randall was never that far behind Sulley in points. I just thought of that possibility due to the job my boyfriend recently had....in which case he actually got paid nothing except when he made sales! And his employer tried to get him to do something illegal to better the company too! He refused to do the illegal stuff and I'm glad he quit, it was "soul sucking" as he described that job. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Randall's job was similar. There was actually a "Monsters, Inc. Employee Handbook", like a real company handbook, in which it was stated that ALL Scarers made minimum wage, so they obviously weren't in it for the money. It also plainly said that working overtime was NOT frowned upon at all, as Mike indicates in the original when he thought that was why Randall was working late on the Scare Floor, but actually encouraged...just don't expect to be PAID for it(sounds like a teaching job). I have to wonder, though, just why Mike and Sulley do seem to be quite well off, financially. They've got a great apartment, in a nice, quiet uptown neighborhood, that probably isn't cheap, and Mike's fondness for sports cars has to take a healthy bank account and credit rating, too, so maybe minimum wage plus commission and a few, oh, under-the-table perks provide the means for them to live like that. I've worked for many a "soul-sucking" boss, including one who tried to get ME to commit a felony(for the good of the company, er, school district) many years ago. The superintendent hated my guts, and never failed to let me know it, but promised I could hang onto my job if I'd just alter some students' responses to the state's standardized tests, which is a felony if you get caught, with a minimum ten year jail sentence. I refused, and I lost my job. I know exactly how Randall feels and how easy it is for a soul-sucking job like that to turn you into something really bad. I can't say that I've ever gotten completely over how I was treated and have been treated since. There is still a lot of distrust and anger under the surface when it comes to people I've worked for, because I know how easily they can ^%$# you up and how little they care. People who have not been through that often just can't connect it with how Randall acts in the original movie and just ASSume he has to be completely evil to the core from his very conception, but I've come so close to BEING Randall that it's not even funny. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 20, 2012 19:42:10 GMT -5
I'm putting the initial, personally, up in the air. It could be something that came up way back at a guess, then dug up NOW with things picking up again, so there's no real certainty. Still, if we see uhh...well if this IS the start of the new year, naturally you meet the Dean or some official or whatever or even just a teacher who says your name to see if your in the class. So maybe we'll get the answer that way. Actually wasn't Wazowski's middle name J? Micheal J. Wazowski? I think Celia may have used his full name at some point...not necessarily IN the film, but maybe an adaption, I don't know, spare thought.
Sullivan's change will be, as I predicted, Jerk-to-trying-to-be-honest guy. He grows better...while Randall grew worse. Now what I HOPE...is that the stupid concept of whatever happens...doesn't turn out to be Randall's fault. A whole "you should blame yourself for how you turned out" thing, some-what explaining Sullivan's lack of finding resolve. Honestly I find the concept rather redundant... What I'd think is a good idea is that whatever happens (wish it would've) just...kind of scars Randall and he leaves the college before Sullivan could do anything to resolve. I mean come on, whatever it is, the guy would be either too hurt or humiliated to face anybody at the time. I mean it would be neat to see the two resolve it...but we know that's not going to happen. Would explain why Sullivan wasn't able to fix things with Randall early on... -------------- I still say Waternoose had a handle in that, and maybe his words of encouragement "dulled" Sullivan's sense on the matter. I mean we saw the number increases...Randall got just as good a scare as Sullivan did and his number-gain was WAY too low in comparison. His collection was just as potent, but SOMEBODY messed with the board to keep Sullivan on top and Randall in a bad situation. The situation of getting TEASED. Instead of never getting his Top Scarer title BACK, he keeps getting NEAR grasps of it back just to be pulled away again.
Sullivan did aces on his Scare tests if I recall...but yes I don't think he's as smart as Randall is (to make a comparison), nor a good liar (like Wazowski....sorta). He's a (at that point) nice guy who does his job, tries to stay out of people's way and just do what he does best. He's in a protective little bubble that makes him feel good about himself, which popped due to the incident.
Uhh...apparently it SEEMS all scarers get minimum wage, but Top Scarer is NOT without it's benefits. Magazine covers, first grounding in company commercials, advertising, etc. So in terms of GETTING more, Sullivan DOES. As for making more, probably does for doing some of those things to make M.I. look good or get endorsements. ---------- Not to mention Wazowski's (as noted in Essential) cd collection, which was large enough to be noted (and what he apparently spends his checks on).
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Post by mintygreen on Dec 21, 2012 1:47:04 GMT -5
There was actually a "Monsters, Inc. Employee Handbook", like a real company handbook, in which it was stated that ALL Scarers made minimum wage, so they obviously weren't in it for the money. It also plainly said that working overtime was NOT frowned upon at all, as Mike indicates in the original when he thought that was why Randall was working late on the Scare Floor, but actually encouraged...just don't expect to be PAID for it(sounds like a teaching job). I have to wonder, though, just why Mike and Sulley do seem to be quite well off, financially. They've got a great apartment, in a nice, quiet uptown neighborhood, that probably isn't cheap, and Mike's fondness for sports cars has to take a healthy bank account and credit rating, too, so maybe minimum wage plus commission and a few, oh, under-the-table perks provide the means for them to live like that. I've worked for many a "soul-sucking" boss, including one who tried to get ME to commit a felony(for the good of the company, er, school district) many years ago. The superintendent hated my guts, and never failed to let me know it, but promised I could hang onto my job if I'd just alter some students' responses to the state's standardized tests, which is a felony if you get caught, with a minimum ten year jail sentence. I refused, and I lost my job. I know exactly how Randall feels and how easy it is for a soul-sucking job like that to turn you into something really bad. I can't say that I've ever gotten completely over how I was treated and have been treated since. There is still a lot of distrust and anger under the surface when it comes to people I've worked for, because I know how easily they can ^%$# you up and how little they care. People who have not been through that often just can't connect it with how Randall acts in the original movie and just ASSume he has to be completely evil to the core from his very conception, but I've come so close to BEING Randall that it's not even funny. pitbulllady It's pretty surprising that scarers get minimum wage actually, considering how essential their service is to the monster world....but then again I guess a lot of essential services in our own world are pretty low paying jobs. You're right though it is surprising the kind of stuff they own though if they really don't make much money. Perhaps the creators just didn't think that deeply into it? I don't know. I'm sure though that like randallboggs just stated......Sulley probably does make more money than Randall due to endorsement ads and what not for being top scarer. Perhaps Sulley even receives free stuff from random citizens because it's almost like he's some kind of 'hero' for being top scarer. Who knows. I agree though that I also would not be surprised if there was some kind of underhanded money going out though, considering that their boss, Waternoose, was obviously corrupt. I don't really feel like Mike and Sulley would willingly take unfair payouts though but maybe they either aren't that smart to pick up on that or the handouts are simply disguised as stuff given out for being top employees. I'm sorry that you've had so many bad bosses, PBL. I hope you've at least had a few good ones. I've experienced some rude stuff and unfairness in work environments before....but not on the level you, Randall, or my boyfriend have experienced....and I hope I won't, but I'm still pretty young so who knows, it might happen to me too at some point. My dad's actually the boss at the location where he works and he used to be the boss at a different location but he got transferred and when he got transferred the employees at the new location who were familiar with him were so happy and gave him hugs because apparently the boss they had before him was not so nice. I have heard of some crazy things though from my parents at their workplaces before. It was funny when my dad took me to his workplace back when I was 15 on "Take your kid to work day." because his employees were like totally kissing my ass because I was the boss' daughter. LOL it was funny. I didn't really want them to though, it was just funny. I'm glad that you refused to do that illegal thing, PBL....I mean, not only would it be really immoral, but risking going to jail for 10 years is not worth it at all. I wouldn't have done it either but I can understand the pressure some people must feel. Losing a job is not easy, especially if you really need the income and if finding another job would be difficult. I'm putting the initial, personally, up in the air. It could be something that came up way back at a guess, then dug up NOW with things picking up again, so there's no real certainty. Still, if we see uhh...well if this IS the start of the new year, naturally you meet the Dean or some official or whatever or even just a teacher who says your name to see if your in the class. So maybe we'll get the answer that way. Actually wasn't Wazowski's middle name J? Micheal J. Wazowski? I think Celia may have used his full name at some point...not necessarily IN the film, but maybe an adaption, I don't know, spare thought. Sullivan's change will be, as I predicted, Jerk-to-trying-to-be-honest guy. He grows better...while Randall grew worse. Now what I HOPE...is that the stupid concept of whatever happens...doesn't turn out to be Randall's fault. A whole "you should blame yourself for how you turned out" thing, some-what explaining Sullivan's lack of finding resolve. Honestly I find the concept rather redundant... What I'd think is a good idea is that whatever happens (wish it would've) just...kind of scars Randall and he leaves the college before Sullivan could do anything to resolve. I mean come on, whatever it is, the guy would be either too hurt or humiliated to face anybody at the time. I mean it would be neat to see the two resolve it...but we know that's not going to happen. Would explain why Sullivan wasn't able to fix things with Randall early on... -------------- I still say Waternoose had a handle in that, and maybe his words of encouragement "dulled" Sullivan's sense on the matter. I mean we saw the number increases...Randall got just as good a scare as Sullivan did and his number-gain was WAY too low in comparison. His collection was just as potent, but SOMEBODY messed with the board to keep Sullivan on top and Randall in a bad situation. The situation of getting TEASED. Instead of never getting his Top Scarer title BACK, he keeps getting NEAR grasps of it back just to be pulled away again. Sullivan did aces on his Scare tests if I recall...but yes I don't think he's as smart as Randall is (to make a comparison), nor a good liar (like Wazowski....sorta). He's a (at that point) nice guy who does his job, tries to stay out of people's way and just do what he does best. He's in a protective little bubble that makes him feel good about himself, which popped due to the incident. Uhh...apparently it SEEMS all scarers get minimum wage, but Top Scarer is NOT without it's benefits. Magazine covers, first grounding in company commercials, advertising, etc. So in terms of GETTING more, Sullivan DOES. As for making more, probably does for doing some of those things to make M.I. look good or get endorsements. ---------- Not to mention Wazowski's (as noted in Essential) cd collection, which was large enough to be noted (and what he apparently spends his checks on). I agree with you....they probably did get more money from endorsements and commercials. I agree with other stuff you said too....just to tired now to type more. lol.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 21, 2012 20:23:52 GMT -5
Scarers, especially those that do well, do get fame, more than energy collectors in our world due to Scareing having such a large impact on monster culture... However, money doesn't change much. You have several energy collection buildings ranging on thousands of collectors, the big cats (literally? *snickers*) aren't going to cough up more dough to pay their mass of workers unless they critically excel.
I'm not sure about free stuff from random citizens...but there is something close enough. Free or discounted service. You think Sullivan managed to get reservations at Harry Hausens (for Wazowski and Celia) because he's a regular? (honestly think Sullivan goes to classy places all the time?)
I honestly do not think Sullivan or Wazowski was aware of things being manipulated. Sullivan just did his job as normal, and Wazowski doesn't question things when he gets up on a pedestal (at least next to Sullivan). Randall, though, probably knew SOMETHING was going on...he was tired and the like working on the Extractor, but he still worked and got his canisters filled but it didn't seem to matter. And after, at the very least, MONTHS of this...it's kind of frustrating when your the only one to notice something was up.
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Post by mintygreen on Dec 24, 2012 4:28:59 GMT -5
Scarers, especially those that do well, do get fame, more than energy collectors in our world due to Scareing having such a large impact on monster culture... However, money doesn't change much. You have several energy collection buildings ranging on thousands of collectors, the big cats (literally? *snickers*) aren't going to cough up more dough to pay their mass of workers unless they critically excel. I'm not sure about free stuff from random citizens...but there is something close enough. Free or discounted service. You think Sullivan managed to get reservations at Harry Hausens (for Wazowski and Celia) because he's a regular? (honestly think Sullivan goes to classy places all the time?) I honestly do not think Sullivan or Wazowski was aware of things being manipulated. Sullivan just did his job as normal, and Wazowski doesn't question things when he gets up on a pedestal (at least next to Sullivan). Randall, though, probably knew SOMETHING was going on...he was tired and the like working on the Extractor, but he still worked and got his canisters filled but it didn't seem to matter. And after, at the very least, MONTHS of this...it's kind of frustrating when your the only one to notice something was up. Good point on the restaurant thing. I highly doubt Sulley is a regular there....it doesn't even feel like the kind of place he'd go out to eat at honestly. It does seem like he is able to get in just because of who he is....and that's how he got Mike in. Yeah, it is too bad that Randall doesn't get the same treatment, especially because he really is only barely behind Sulley all the time in scare points. Considering that Sulley broke the scare record and Randall was only barely behind that....Randall is still clearly one of the very top scarers the company has ever had in it's existence(and it has existed for pretty long at least because we know that Waternoose says its' been in his family for 3 generations so it must have existed for quite a while). It's completely horrible how Randall gets treated. Oh by the way about the leaked photo of him from MU that got out....considering that he's really thin in that picture too, I don't actually feel like he's lost weight from his job at MI. He's stressed, yeah, but I think he's obviously just naturally really skinny. Just thought I'd mention it since I recall some people here thinking he's thin due to stress and that he's not normally that skinny.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 24, 2012 19:02:27 GMT -5
Yes, I see Sullivan as a real meat and potatoes man, not a delicate foreign cuisine lover. 3-10, a person goes there to impress a girl. And what do you know, Wazowski....guess that proves that doesn't it hehehe.
Actually, the Scare Record was never broken. Sulley was just Top Scarer, he never broke the record.
I once heard from an intelligent detective that the brain uses the most calories of any part of your body. Not sure if it's true or not, but considering what a diligent study Randall could be, that may have been the reason...or he was malnourished by whomever is his guardian(s) at the time.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 24, 2012 19:06:08 GMT -5
Scarers, especially those that do well, do get fame, more than energy collectors in our world due to Scareing having such a large impact on monster culture... However, money doesn't change much. You have several energy collection buildings ranging on thousands of collectors, the big cats (literally? *snickers*) aren't going to cough up more dough to pay their mass of workers unless they critically excel. I'm not sure about free stuff from random citizens...but there is something close enough. Free or discounted service. You think Sullivan managed to get reservations at Harry Hausens (for Wazowski and Celia) because he's a regular? (honestly think Sullivan goes to classy places all the time?) I honestly do not think Sullivan or Wazowski was aware of things being manipulated. Sullivan just did his job as normal, and Wazowski doesn't question things when he gets up on a pedestal (at least next to Sullivan). Randall, though, probably knew SOMETHING was going on...he was tired and the like working on the Extractor, but he still worked and got his canisters filled but it didn't seem to matter. And after, at the very least, MONTHS of this...it's kind of frustrating when your the only one to notice something was up. Good point on the restaurant thing. I highly doubt Sulley is a regular there....it doesn't even feel like the kind of place he'd go out to eat at honestly. It does seem like he is able to get in just because of who he is....and that's how he got Mike in. Yeah, it is too bad that Randall doesn't get the same treatment, especially because he really is only barely behind Sulley all the time in scare points. Considering that Sulley broke the scare record and Randall was only barely behind that....Randall is still clearly one of the very top scarers the company has ever had in it's existence(and it has existed for pretty long at least because we know that Waternoose says its' been in his family for 3 generations so it must have existed for quite a while). It's completely horrible how Randall gets treated. Oh by the way about the leaked photo of him from MU that got out....considering that he's really thin in that picture too, I don't actually feel like he's lost weight from his job at MI. He's stressed, yeah, but I think he's obviously just naturally really skinny. Just thought I'd mention it since I recall some people here thinking he's thin due to stress and that he's not normally that skinny. Sulley DIDN'T break the Scare Record, actually. The whole process of scaring was derailed by the events in the movie before he could do that, and the factory switched over to Laugh energy. Sulley and Randall were both close to breaking it at the start of the movie, but neither succeeded, so "Fangs" McDonald's record still stands, at this factory at least. But yeah, it's bad how Randall gets shafted in this movie. Like RB pointed out, when both he and Sulley fill their Scream canisters to capacity, Sulley gets 100 points and Randall only gets 75...now what's UP with THAT hot mess? And Sulley "just happens" on a slumber party? Yeah, riiiight. And of course there's that whole "Employee of the Month" for 11 months straight... not SCARER, mind you, but EMPLOYEE, period. I'd figured up the odds once of any one employee doing out, based on the number of the Scarers only, since it is quoted here on this site somewhere from the "Monsters, Inc. Employee's Manual", and for Sulley to have achieved that was actually greater than the odds of winning the Powerball Jackpot, and THAT is not even figuring in all the thousands of other non-Scarer employees that had to have worked at the company, so no one can tell me that it was all due to Sulley just being that good at anything or even to a popular vote among other employees. There was a lot of unethical bovine excrement going on there, and Randall obviously knew it, and thought he could beat that system somehow. As for the pic, yeah, Randall looks thin, but he also looks MUCH younger than a college-age monster. Compare the college pics of Mike and Sulley to how they looked in the original movie, and there's not that much difference. They look younger, yes, and Sulley has not yet acquired that "spare tire"(which didn't come from eating at sushi restaurants, lol) around the middle, but they still aren't that different. Randall, on the other hand, looks like a CHILD. His fronds are much smaller, indicating that he probably hasn't even passed through puberty yet, if they are indeed a secondary sex characteristic. He is lacking the scars along his jaw and sides, too. While Mike and Sulley look like young adults, Randall looks like an adolescent kid. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 24, 2012 20:54:18 GMT -5
I would imagine Fangs Record remains unbroken. Don't know why yet, just a feeling. Now that I think about it, Wazowski's boasting about "when we beat the record FIRST" gives some credit to this.
Really? That was the change? I remember running the numbers and thought it was less...Hold on, I'll check again if I can... There's over a 1,200 Scarers if I recall. Double that number to include assistants (but I do recall that they get their own award, of which Wazowski has), by the way.
Maybe his thin looks DO account for his youth. I mean I don't know body-to-mass weight or whatever, but it's plausible. And yeah, Randall looks way younger as I said before...at first I thought he was coming in as a guest Scarer before this pic showed up...now, it looks like he IS attending given how he looks with that nervousness he has. I would imagine his youthfullness would be a factor into how he was treated in college. While some professors would encourage a smart student showing initiative, others might find it annoying. And as for fellow students? Oh boy, they'd eat him alive.
I can picture Randall coming to MU, nervous, but hopeful, that he'd get accepted somewhere, make friends, and prepare for his future. And well, sometimes you work from the top and work your way down, and naivety makes that all the more pleasing. If he aimed for a fraternity, he may try one of the "popular" ones with the simple thought "In Popular Club = Popularity = Respect" and what not. But seeing as they're running with a Nerds thing, he'd obviously be entering a lions (literally?) den. Wouldn't be surprised if, under the guise of a pledge, he would find himself serving munchies and polishing trophies with SP marked on one eye glass and AZ on the other ("spaz" for, in the fraternity's mind, obvious reasons), wearing a diaper (to emphasize how young he is and, in the fraternity's mind, that he shouldn't even be in college and how they're his "betters"), all the time wearing an old butlers outfit (probably something used back when reptiles were slaves, that's a touch if racism is involved. though it would probably be too big for him, which would be a little cute heh.) and having to say "sir" at the end of every sentence.
....And you know that's actually tame considering some of the hazing I've read about. Least we know for certain Randall wasn't involved in a FATAL form of the "art"...
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Post by mintygreen on Dec 25, 2012 0:49:00 GMT -5
Sulley DIDN'T break the Scare Record, actually. The whole process of scaring was derailed by the events in the movie before he could do that, and the factory switched over to Laugh energy. Sulley and Randall were both close to breaking it at the start of the movie, but neither succeeded, so "Fangs" McDonald's record still stands, at this factory at least. But yeah, it's bad how Randall gets shafted in this movie. Like RB pointed out, when both he and Sulley fill their Scream canisters to capacity, Sulley gets 100 points and Randall only gets 75...now what's UP with THAT hot mess? And Sulley "just happens" on a slumber party? Yeah, riiiight. And of course there's that whole "Employee of the Month" for 11 months straight... not SCARER, mind you, but EMPLOYEE, period. I'd figured up the odds once of any one employee doing out, based on the number of the Scarers only, since it is quoted here on this site somewhere from the "Monsters, Inc. Employee's Manual", and for Sulley to have achieved that was actually greater than the odds of winning the Powerball Jackpot, and THAT is not even figuring in all the thousands of other non-Scarer employees that had to have worked at the company, so no one can tell me that it was all due to Sulley just being that good at anything or even to a popular vote among other employees. There was a lot of unethical bovine excrement going on there, and Randall obviously knew it, and thought he could beat that system somehow. As for the pic, yeah, Randall looks thin, but he also looks MUCH younger than a college-age monster. Compare the college pics of Mike and Sulley to how they looked in the original movie, and there's not that much difference. They look younger, yes, and Sulley has not yet acquired that "spare tire"(which didn't come from eating at sushi restaurants, lol) around the middle, but they still aren't that different. Randall, on the other hand, looks like a CHILD. His fronds are much smaller, indicating that he probably hasn't even passed through puberty yet, if they are indeed a secondary sex characteristic. He is lacking the scars along his jaw and sides, too. While Mike and Sulley look like young adults, Randall looks like an adolescent kid. pitbulllady Yeah you are right how can one canister fill for more points and yet another one also fully fills but gives less points? That doesn't make any rational sense. As for the slumber party thing....probably was just a matter of luck actually.....but considering that it was lucky that Sulley stumbled in on a slumber party, no one can say that that makes him better than Randall because all it involved was LUCK. Being lucky doesn't make someone a better scarer. It wouldn't surprise me though if Sulley, on average, is sent better doors than the other monsters(as in doors from kids that have more slumber parties....as a child I never had slumber parties...I don't think I ever had one....but some other kids have them all the time....and maybe Sulley gets sent more of those doors). My sister and I did share a room though as little kids, so I guess we were a double child room. I wonder if some monsters get more rooms with multiple kids? They are probably worth more than single kid rooms. I remember near the beginning of the film when Mike wakes Sulley up and they do a bit of scare training for work....I do remember Sulley training for kids in bunk beds at one point, which means at least 2 kids in the room. I remember in the movie it said that they best match each monster to each child for best scare potential. I guess it wouldn't surprise me if Waternoose did have most of the doors with multiple children go to Sulley since he believes that Sulley is the best scarer and therefore he maximizes potential by sending doors with multiple children to Sulley. Anyway you're right that Randall does look younger than Mike and Sulley......but I wonder if he really is? I mean, aren't they all suppose to be the same age? In the MI book(which I don't have but I have heard that they are all 25 in that?) So if Mike and Sulley are suppose to be 18 in this, isn't Randall also 18? It would seem strange if he isn't if they were all the same age in MI. I mean I guess it's possible that certain monsters/kinds of monsters develop more slowly than others. I still think that he was probably just always thin though. It's just kind of hard to imagine otherwise at this point. Perhaps I just look at it this way because my body type never changed much as I grew up but I know a lot of other people do fill out more in certain areas(especially girls though usually). This is me as a 10 year old: 25.media.tumblr.com/d8aed88c9713fa84c15ea87f5bc46237/tumblr_mfkogr7TZf1rofdseo1_1280.jpgAnd this is me now: 24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m71elzXG0f1rofdseo1_1280.jpgNot a whole lot changed in my case(although my hair got curly for some reason)....which is maybe why I just think Randall was also always just thin? I know though that other people do change more during the process to adulthood. If Randall is possibly underage though....it's probably just as well that I personally see him more as just 'adorable' in that leaked photo of him from MU. I'm not getting the same sexy vibe I did with him in MI.....and I think that's because he does look really really young, as in underage. It's true that his fronds don't look as developed and he looks non-fully developed in that sense. I just figure his body type is the same. I would imagine Fangs Record remains unbroken. Don't know why yet, just a feeling. Now that I think about it, Wazowski's boasting about "when we beat the record FIRST" gives some credit to this. Really? That was the change? I remember running the numbers and thought it was less...Hold on, I'll check again if I can... There's over a 1,200 Scarers if I recall. Double that number to include assistants (but I do recall that they get their own award, of which Wazowski has), by the way. Maybe his thin looks DO account for his youth. I mean I don't know body-to-mass weight or whatever, but it's plausible. And yeah, Randall looks way younger as I said before...at first I thought he was coming in as a guest Scarer before this pic showed up...now, it looks like he IS attending given how he looks with that nervousness he has. I would imagine his youthfullness would be a factor into how he was treated in college. While some professors would encourage a smart student showing initiative, others might find it annoying. And as for fellow students? Oh boy, they'd eat him alive. I can picture Randall coming to MU, nervous, but hopeful, that he'd get accepted somewhere, make friends, and prepare for his future. And well, sometimes you work from the top and work your way down, and naivety makes that all the more pleasing. If he aimed for a fraternity, he may try one of the "popular" ones with the simple thought "In Popular Club = Popularity = Respect" and what not. But seeing as they're running with a Nerds thing, he'd obviously be entering a lions (literally?) den. Wouldn't be surprised if, under the guise of a pledge, he would find himself serving munchies and polishing trophies with SP marked on one eye glass and AZ on the other ("spaz" for, in the fraternity's mind, obvious reasons), wearing a diaper (to emphasize how young he is and, in the fraternity's mind, that he shouldn't even be in college and how they're his "betters"), all the time wearing an old butlers outfit (probably something used back when reptiles were slaves, that's a touch if racism is involved. though it would probably be too big for him, which would be a little cute heh.) and having to say "sir" at the end of every sentence. ....And you know that's actually tame considering some of the hazing I've read about. Least we know for certain Randall wasn't involved in a FATAL form of the "art"... Body Mass Index.....I can never actually take that system seriously at all since according to it, I'm suppose to be starving, at the point of death but I go to the doctor and there is nothing wrong with me and I've just always been insanely thin. (I'm a bit taller than 5'8" but I'm between 98 and 106 pounds at any given time). I know that sounds really freaky to a lot of people, but it's completely normal for me. BMI is like a joke to me. Anyway....hazings at schools suck.....I remember on the news once someone died from a hazing. I was never hazed by anyone at school, thank god. I think it happens more to guys.
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Post by lizardgirl on Dec 25, 2012 8:40:36 GMT -5
Definitely with you on the scare potential matching thing, mintygreen- I bet it'd be really easy to manipulate this 'system' or change the algorithm or whatever that they use to make it in Sulley's favour, and to disadvantage Randall.
I know we've always assumed that Randall is a fair bit younger than Mike and Sulley- I think most tend to place Randall as being in his mid-20s in the film, and Mike and Sulley being in their early to mid-30s- but I didn't realise there was actually a book stating their age, so that changes things. In context of MU, it would make sense for them to all be the same age, but as we've all already said, Randall just looks so young in that picture...
BMI would mean even less in the Monster World, haha, considering the different shapes and sizes of monsters. For example with Randall, his body shape means that height is a pretty meaningless measure. Plus if you go by that advert that's in the newspaper that Roz is reading in MI ('gain 1,000 pounds in two weeks!', or something like that, haha), it seems to be more 'fashionable' or 'attractive' for monsters to be fatter. (Though Mike does make fun of Sulley's size at several points in the film...Hmm.) But yes, I agree with you; Randall is a naturally skinny guy, probably one of those guys who couldn't put weight on even if he wanted to. He suits being skinny. ;D
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 25, 2012 12:14:19 GMT -5
Definitely with you on the scare potential matching thing, mintygreen- I bet it'd be really easy to manipulate this 'system' or change the algorithm or whatever that they use to make it in Sulley's favour, and to disadvantage Randall. I know we've always assumed that Randall is a fair bit younger than Mike and Sulley- I think most tend to place Randall as being in his mid-20s in the film, and Mike and Sulley being in their early to mid-30s- but I didn't realise there was actually a book stating their age, so that changes things. In context of MU, it would make sense for them to all be the same age, but as we've all already said, Randall just looks so young in that picture... BMI would mean even less in the Monster World, haha, considering the different shapes and sizes of monsters. For example with Randall, his body shape means that height is a pretty meaningless measure. Plus if you go by that advert that's in the newspaper that Roz is reading in MI ('gain 1,000 pounds in two weeks!', or something like that, haha), it seems to be more 'fashionable' or 'attractive' for monsters to be fatter. (Though Mike does make fun of Sulley's size at several points in the film...Hmm.) But yes, I agree with you; Randall is a naturally skinny guy, probably one of those guys who couldn't put weight on even if he wanted to. He suits being skinny. ;D There are very young people who get accepted into college due to their extremely high IQ. One of my father's college classmates was only 14; he'd aced every known exam and just skipped high school, basically. His IQ was off the charts, but the problem was, he still ACTED like a typical 14 year-old kid, emotionally, and soon dropped out of college because he couldn't deal with the pressure. Randall is no doubt extremely intelligent, so it's possible that he was able to skip at least some of his high school years and go to college much earlier than most kids. It is also possible that he's not enrolled in the university at all, officially, that he's the offspring of another character/staff member, that he's part of some special accelerated learning program for really smart kids(many colleges offer those, especially during the summer), or even a foster kid that Squishy's mom(the one who actually owns the frat house where Mike and Sulley wind up pledging, the one for "nerds")takes care of. I guess we won't know until the movie is out, but seriously Randall doesn't look like an 18-year-old in that pic. He just looks like a middle-schooler. I've often said that Waternoose was intentionally manipulating either the doors, or the Scare Board, to favor Sulley, behind-the-scenes, and since we know that he had Randall working on a very top-secret, bound-to-be-controversial, and at that time, illegal, project for him, he'd naturally have to be concerned with Randall losing interest or giving up or worse, threatening to tell the authorities. Waternoose knew that if Randall got complacent, if he was able to achieve on the Scare Floor what it took to earn him the respect and admiration he so desperately sought, that he might easily lose the motivation to work on the Scream Extractor. Waternoose knew that in order to keep Randall from doing any of those things, he could not allow the Scarer to get into his "comfort zone". He had to keep Randall frustrated by making sure that no matter how hard he worked, no matter what he did, he could never top the Scare Board for long and never really catch up with Sullivan. If he did, he might decide that the Scream Extractor was just too risky and try to back out of the deal, with him being able to get what he wanted just with his regular job. Unable to achieve what he wanted to on the Scare Floor, Randall would have thought that the Scream Extractor would provide him with all the admiration and fame and financial success he'd want and render the whole Scream competition a moot issue, so even if Sulley DID succeed in breaking the All-Time Scream Record, it would no longer mean much if Scarers became an anachronism, like the cowboys of the American West. pitbulllady
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Post by mintygreen on Dec 25, 2012 17:36:42 GMT -5
Definitely with you on the scare potential matching thing, mintygreen- I bet it'd be really easy to manipulate this 'system' or change the algorithm or whatever that they use to make it in Sulley's favour, and to disadvantage Randall. I know we've always assumed that Randall is a fair bit younger than Mike and Sulley- I think most tend to place Randall as being in his mid-20s in the film, and Mike and Sulley being in their early to mid-30s- but I didn't realise there was actually a book stating their age, so that changes things. In context of MU, it would make sense for them to all be the same age, but as we've all already said, Randall just looks so young in that picture... BMI would mean even less in the Monster World, haha, considering the different shapes and sizes of monsters. For example with Randall, his body shape means that height is a pretty meaningless measure. Plus if you go by that advert that's in the newspaper that Roz is reading in MI ('gain 1,000 pounds in two weeks!', or something like that, haha), it seems to be more 'fashionable' or 'attractive' for monsters to be fatter. (Though Mike does make fun of Sulley's size at several points in the film...Hmm.) But yes, I agree with you; Randall is a naturally skinny guy, probably one of those guys who couldn't put weight on even if he wanted to. He suits being skinny. ;D Yeah I remember that newspaper suggesting that bigger is better in the monster world.....although I got the feel from other comments throughout the film that no size is really considered better in the monster world, and that it's more of a personal taste thing there. I don't know. I actually hate how skinny people are so liked in our society actually, despite the fact that I fit into that(and well I still know what it feels like to be trashed for how I look because of my birthmark - so I was still never the 'standard' of beauty in our society either). But anyway, I also feel that I get a lot of backlash from people for being thin and I do hate how bigger people are made to feel bad about themselves because of the fashion industry. It's just really harmful in society I think. It's not like everyone is suppose to be the same size, just like we don't all have the same skin, hair, or eye colour......and we aren't all the same height either, so why does society act like we should all be a specific body type? It doesn't work that way and they are making people feel bad about themselves. They should never promote any specific body type really, because there will always be people who don't naturally fit into that, no matter what body type they are promoting. Anyway, I definitely agree that I think Randall is naturally thin. I can't really picture him being anything other than skinny, actually. There are very young people who get accepted into college due to their extremely high IQ. One of my father's college classmates was only 14; he'd aced every known exam and just skipped high school, basically. His IQ was off the charts, but the problem was, he still ACTED like a typical 14 year-old kid, emotionally, and soon dropped out of college because he couldn't deal with the pressure. Randall is no doubt extremely intelligent, so it's possible that he was able to skip at least some of his high school years and go to college much earlier than most kids. It is also possible that he's not enrolled in the university at all, officially, that he's the offspring of another character/staff member, that he's part of some special accelerated learning program for really smart kids(many colleges offer those, especially during the summer), or even a foster kid that Squishy's mom(the one who actually owns the frat house where Mike and Sulley wind up pledging, the one for "nerds")takes care of. I guess we won't know until the movie is out, but seriously Randall doesn't look like an 18-year-old in that pic. He just looks like a middle-schooler. I've often said that Waternoose was intentionally manipulating either the doors, or the Scare Board, to favor Sulley, behind-the-scenes, and since we know that he had Randall working on a very top-secret, bound-to-be-controversial, and at that time, illegal, project for him, he'd naturally have to be concerned with Randall losing interest or giving up or worse, threatening to tell the authorities. Waternoose knew that if Randall got complacent, if he was able to achieve on the Scare Floor what it took to earn him the respect and admiration he so desperately sought, that he might easily lose the motivation to work on the Scream Extractor. Waternoose knew that in order to keep Randall from doing any of those things, he could not allow the Scarer to get into his "comfort zone". He had to keep Randall frustrated by making sure that no matter how hard he worked, no matter what he did, he could never top the Scare Board for long and never really catch up with Sullivan. If he did, he might decide that the Scream Extractor was just too risky and try to back out of the deal, with him being able to get what he wanted just with his regular job. Unable to achieve what he wanted to on the Scare Floor, Randall would have thought that the Scream Extractor would provide him with all the admiration and fame and financial success he'd want and render the whole Scream competition a moot issue, so even if Sulley DID succeed in breaking the All-Time Scream Record, it would no longer mean much if Scarers became an anachronism, like the cowboys of the American West. pitbulllady I don't deny at all that there are some really young people who get into college/university. I'm pretty sure I remember a 12 year old getting in before. I'm not sure what the record is for youngest, but I know it happens. The only reason why I think Randall is probably the same age as the others is because apparently they are all the same age in MI? That is what I have heard anyway. It could be that they changed that though....I mean it's not unheard of for there to be conflicting info, even official info, on stuff like character ages. It would make more sense if Sulley and Mike were a bit older, since they come off as being a bit older in MI....so I was actually surprised when I heard that there is a book saying they are all the same age. I also completely agree with you PBL about why Waternoose had to keep Randall feeling badly. I agree that if Randall got the scare points he deserved and felt better about himself, he wouldn't feel the need to work on Waternoose's project. It makes perfect sense.
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