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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 20, 2012 6:23:03 GMT -5
I'd read somewhere way back when I first got into this fandom that Randall's middle initial was "J", with no explanation as to what it stood for. In my own little head canon, it was for "Joseph", but I honestly don't recall where I saw that initial and in fact had questioned as to whether I actually DID read it somewhere or it just popped in there. Apparently I did, though, since it has resurfaced again that his middle name starts with "J".
Sulley DOES seem like waaaay more of a jerk than Randall does in all of the pics, and if he has anything to do with how Randall turned out, that still makes him a First-Class A$$ in my book, no matter how he tries to come off in the original movie, because of how he "handles" the product that HE basically is responsible for.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 19, 2012 21:27:50 GMT -5
Ok, I've been thinking a little on "the incident" that involves Randall, and by extension, Sullivan and Wazowski. A good friend reminded me of something so obvious in university/college, that I am surprised I skipped it over.... Fraternities and Sororities. More precisely, what occurs for the NEW arrivals. To pin it down... Initiations and Hazing. Now I looked into this a little...and there are several incidents of rather...nasty stuff. Suffice it to say, Initiations/Hazing can be from tame to very dangerous/disturbing/emotionally crippling...and in critical situations...fatal. Now, there is NOoooohoooooo way Pixar is going to be showing Hazing in the regular sense. Though it would be funny to see Sullivan chugging away on a keg of beer and to see all the little kiddies shriek in terror that "that's bad for you!" *chuckles* BUT...looking at the more...tame base of hazing is essentially a test (or other tests) physically/emotionally or simply just acts that would allow a person into the group. Unfortunately a popular forms include harassment, abuse or humiliation... Now lets take a look at the fragile little guy in that pic. *studies with others in art museum* ...Now, you think a guy who'd want to be accepted by others and to be in a group...especially in college, would at least attempt to join a fraternity wouldn't ya? But when your young and some-what naive...and harassment, abuse or humiliation could (depending on the degree) mess you up for life (or a long time)...well it's basically connect the dots at this point. I mean this theory seems to be pretty sound and likely given the period this takes place in. My guess is...the big purple guy there behind Randall may be head of his fraternity...let me see here...Roar Omega Roar...that's it. Well my guess is...this is the most popular fraternity...jocks aplenty. And SULLIVAN has what it takes to get in. Now BP (big purple guy), gives Sullivan an option to join in his initiation by doing a certain something.... Now this might involve Wazowski...but it might also involve Randall. Randall's young, maybe a bit gullible, and smart. While not actually BEING one, BP would see this him as a geek and maybe putting them to shame in the more academic fields by upstaging them.... This is just starting theory...but I admire it...would be the starting stages of what I'd show. I mean I don't wish anything negative on Randall for a beat of my soul...but just saying. Everything there made perfect sense, and is a very plausible explanation as to how Randall at least got started down the wrong path. Throw in Waternoose, looking for new recruits, with a promise of showing up the ones who had tormented and ridiculed him...and you've got a recipe for an emotional tsunami down the road. And that is exactly what we saw in the original movie. pitbulllady
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 19, 2012 18:58:55 GMT -5
I checked around via Google for "Randall Boggs Monsters University" today, and while most of it came up "baddie Randall Boggs returns", yada yada yada, there was a LOT of "chatter" about this pic, with roughly half of the links missing the pic and some having a statement, "picture removed at the request of Disney". So, now we know that Disney/Pixar did not want the pics "leaked" out, but too many people have already seen them and posted about them. Like I said, the cat's out of the bag already. Irritatingly enough, no one had mentioned that Randall does not look the least big "evil" or "mean" or "bad" or "villainous" in that pic, only that he is in the same pic as a new character who has different frat letters from Mike and Sulley's so he has to be bad, too. Honestly, it seems like if Randall is seen feeding the homeless and carrying old ladies across the street and saving drowning monster children, he'd still be labeled as a "villain", and a lot of people won't accept that he was ever anything but evil, regardless of what he does or how he acts.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 19, 2012 6:16:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure, though, what the cancellation of Newt has to do with Pixar wanting Randall's personality in MU to be such a secret. We'd already found out what the plot of Newt was to be before the pics got out, and from what I've read, the reason it was cancelled was due to an unimpressive test audience response to some of the rough-animated bits. People just didn't relate to the characters. It probably would have made a cute short-animated film, but couldn't stand alone as a feature. People already know Randall, though...or at least SOME of us do, lol. And, it's not like having a nice character change for the worst, or vice versa, is a new thing in movies, even though in animated features(Western animation, anyway) it is more common to just have characters that are "black and white" with regards to who is good and who isn't, and not bother with any sort of character arc, due to that belief that only children watch animation and children can't comprehend anything so complex.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 18, 2012 19:49:24 GMT -5
Oh, Lord that had me falling out of my chair, RB, and if there's anything I need more now than some positive news about Randall, it's a good laugh! That hit the spot like a fresh-brewed cup of Kona coffee, my friend. I'd been debating all day whether or not to put up a DA journal entry about the new Randall pic and link it to this thread, to show the Randall haters that they were wrong and we were right all along, that he is NOT some inherently evil and worthless villain who has never had any redeeming qualities, as many of them often claim. Pixar, apparently, wants to keep that under wraps, so I have to wonder myself who took those photos of those banners, where they were seen, and who posted them on Upcoming Pixar, and who removed them. I mean, that cat is pretty much out of the bag, is it not? No one mentioned the photos on Pixar Planet, though obviously some members did see them before they were removed, so why no mention? The only thing I can think of is that Pixar must have something pretty big in mind for Randall and want as few spoilers as possible. It's interesting that even the pics of the Pez dispensers have been removed, so someone is going all out to keep this a secret for whatever reason. I hope that Pixar isn't leading us on, only to drop a brick wall on us later. For once, I have a reason to really look forward to MU, some hope for it and for Randall, and it would be a horrible thing with everything else going on in my life now for Pixar to yank the proverbial rug out from under us.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 18, 2012 13:05:48 GMT -5
I noticed that too, pitbulllady. Plus I was the one to write the comment, and even on my computer the comment is gone. This is very strange. I wouldn't say it's to do with avoiding generating conversation about it on Pixar Planet- that'd be a bit much. So I'm guessing Pixar don't want fans to know about their new take on Randall just yet, but I've no idea why...I know they like to keep things hush hush, but this seems to be pretty extreme- it's not like it spoils the actual plot or anything. It almost makes it seem as though their new take on Randall is actually quite a big deal since they want to keep it secret for the time being. Or perhaps it's just Pixar being control freak-ish and just wanting only officially released images to be distributed. In which case, maybe don't go around putting up banners with Randall on them? Hmm. Very strange. Yeah, as Alice would say, "curiouser and curiouser". How odd that Pixar would take issue with anyone seeing Randall's new image. I know that a lot of the general movie fans think he's going to be a bully who torments poor dear Mike and Sulley in college because they assume he was always evil, but it is just strange that Pixar wants to keep it that big a secret that this is not the case. Pitbulllady
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 18, 2012 11:10:01 GMT -5
Well, THIS is odd...I just went to Upcoming Pixar to show the Randall pic to someone else on my iPad, and the update isn't there! Only the one from Dec 12 is there, with the pics of Mike going cowboy up with that pig-goat critter, lol. No pic of the banner with Randall, no link to it, no mention of Randall at all, like the comment I read yesterday about this being a new take on that character. What's up with this? Is this just a Safari/iPad phenom, or has the pic and post been taken down? If it is the latter, that begs the question "WHY"?
Nope, not an iPad issue...can still open Upcoming Pixar on my desktop school computer using Internet Exploder, and the pic is GONE. Why post it it and then take it down? Was it posted "illegally" after being "leaked" or is someone trying to avoid generating a discussion about Randall on Pixar Planet, or what?
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 17, 2012 22:44:30 GMT -5
Any of y'all read Anne Rice's "Vampire Chronicles", from start to finish? In the first book, "Interview With a Vampire", which was told from the perspective of Louis DuPont Du Lac, a tragic Creole plantation owner turned into a vampire against his will, the antagonist of that story was very much Lestat DeLioncourt, who turned him into a vampire in the first place. Lestat was The Bad Guy, no doubt about it. HOWEVER, Ms. Rice didn't count on HIM actually becoming the most popular character from the book and there being so many fans who saw more of this character than what was blatantly stated in print. She got smart. She wrote more books, those which were told from LESTAT'S POV, in which HE became the anti-hero and main protagonist.
Now, what has this got to do with that adorkable little due in purple glasses with that lop-sided Tony Stewart grin? Well, maybe nothing at all, other than a hunch of mine. The first movie, MI, was told more or less through the eyes of James P. Sullivan, the main character in that movie. Perhaps this one, MU, will be seen more or less through RANDALL'S eyes, recounted by him to who-knows-whom in the present. Just a hunch...nothing more.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 17, 2012 21:30:30 GMT -5
OMG, I just had my "SQUEEEEE" moment of the week! Makes me feel like a cradle-robber, now, though ;D
Nope, there is absolutely nothing about that little face and those big innocent green eyes that even remotely says, "evil" or "Bad Guy", none whatsoever. I see a shy, but friendly, and very brainy kid there. I see someone who is apparently much younger than the other kids at this college, so perhaps this does reinforce my belief that Randall is several years younger than Mike and Sulley, one of those child prodigies who went to college at some ridiculously young age, before he was emotionally prepared to deal with that, most likely.
I don't know how Pixar is going to handle this guy, though, in MU. Maybe he's just gonna have a bit part, maybe they're just sticking him in there to appease his fans, but I hope that they do show what happened to at least lead to the point where he'd become such an obsessive individual when it comes to winning. It's possible that his real turn towards the "Dark Side" will come after this movie, sometime between this one and the original, and I'll bet that Waternoose's manipulations will play no small part, not unlike the role of Emperor in Anakin Skywalker's change. Waternoose would recognize a brilliant and creative individual, but also try to corrupt such a person. I think he'd honestly take a great deal of satisfaction at taking a young and impressionable kid and twisting their mind and psyche. Maybe we'll find out that my theory of Randall having a need for a father figure and a deep desire to get that person's approval due to a lack of a real father's approval will play a role in why he was so easily lead astray. If Randall's real father was even alive, he, like a lot of guys, might not have been too happy with his son being a nerdy type, preferring more of a jock for a son...the type of son epitomized by someone like James Sullivan. The bad thing is, though, as I've said before, IF Pixar does show how Randall at least got started on that road from this innocent kid to that angry, stressed-out, desperate individual we saw in the original movie, BUT they don't resolve his fate, it will be like dangling a chunk of meat in front of a starving dog and then taking it away before the dog can get his teeth into it. Doing this will make what happened to Randall in MI that much more heinous and wrong unless we can see that the conflict between him and Mike and Sulley is resolved and we know that Randall is OK. To take what I see in this picture, to corrupt and damage him emotionally, and then toss him away without giving him a chance to prove that this sweet-faced shy kid is still in there, somewhere, would be a travesty.
And THIS time around, Pixar had BETTER have some merchandise with Randall all over it, 'cause I'm really wanting that big Randall plushie! I can't wait to show this to some of the fifth grader Randall fangirls at schools, hee hee!
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 8, 2012 14:46:16 GMT -5
I don't see the term "geek" as being all that negative, personally, nor "nerd", either. I was definitely both in college, plus "punk"(odd combination, yes), and I am still definitely the nerd if by "nerd" you mean someone who has an insatiable quest for knowledge and learning. Randall probably was one of the engineering students, given his abilities in the original and the emphasis that the official MU website puts on that particular school of education on campus. I see Randall as sorta like Buddy Pine-brilliantly intelligent and creative, but with a bit of a redneck(and no, that is definitely NOT a bad thing given where I come from) streak himself. His quirky Hoosier-speak still points to a rural Midwestern background. Hopefully Pixar won't try to make him into the overbearing "Neidermeyer" wannabe Nazi Stormtrooper frat leader type of the frat which originally kicks out Mike and Sulley, but won't just show him as this totally innocuous little overachiever, either, without showing how he got from that to the individual whom we saw in the original. BUT at the same time, that still leaves the resolution of what happened to him up in the air, doesn't it? If all we get is a "nice-guy-turns-bad-and-gets-thrown-away-like-garbage, good-riddance" thing, that is still going to be a big disappointment. Someone on DA suggested that maybe the whole story in MU will be told from someone's perspective, from the present, and will include Randall as part of that, to show how he had that falling-out between him and Mike and Sulley that lead to the turn of events in the original movie, while at the same time, resolving them.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 8, 2012 14:28:14 GMT -5
LOL, I live in the American South, dear. We call 911 after we serve up a large-sized lead sandwich, so the cops can come and collect the body of the property invader. A pump-action double-barrel .12 gauge serves as a nice deterrent to that sort of behavior. Southerners are, by tradition, armed, and South Carolina is a "stand your ground" state, where we are not only allowed to kill home/property invaders, but encouraged to do so. I learned how to shoot and properly maintain firearms when I was a young child. It's a very different world from one where people have to rely on the government or police solely for protection, people I have little faith in. pitbulllady Yeah, I assumed most of you probably had guns for a defense. Although personally I would hate to face off against an intruder. But then again I've never even touched an actual gun so I guess I just find them intimidating for that reason. Most of us here in Canada don't have guns. Come to think of it....I guess the monsters would be safer coming out of the closets here in Canada then. That is kinda the whole gist, I think, with Mike and Sulley throwing Randall through a door that lead into a trailer in the Deep South. People here, whether in Louisiana or not, deal with perceived or real threats differently. We are more likely to have guns or other weapons handy and use them accordingly. I'm pretty sure Mike would have known this, and understood that throwing Randall into some home in this part of the country, especially a low-income home, is more likely to result in Randall being killed. Other people in other parts of the country might flee a 12-foot scaly creature suddenly appearing in their midst, but here in the South, people are more likely to go on the offensive and have the weapons on hand to do so. In Louisiana, big+scaly=FOOD. Whether he got shot, stabbed or bludgeoned, Mike knew that Randall probably would not make it out of that trailer alive. pitbulllady
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 6, 2012 6:09:22 GMT -5
Well there are pros and cons to everything I guess....because if someone does break into your place when you're out in the middle of nowhere, it would also be less likely that anyone would hear your screams or that you'd be able to make it to a neighbour's place for help. It would probably also take longer for police and other emergency personnel to arrive on the scene if you managed to call 911.
So there are pros and cons to both.
The neighbours that my family shares a wall with are nice people that my family has known for 35 years now but of course, you never know when someone will move and someone new will move in that could be completely different.
It's good though that apparently in our semi there is a wall that goes all the way up between us and them even in the crawlspace.
It is true there is still less privacy though because you CAN sometimes hear things in the neighbour's place and I wouldn't be surprised if they sometimes hear stuff going on in our place. I mean it would have to be pretty loud to decipher exactly what noise you hear from the other side of the wall though.
Earlier this year though some of my neighbours up the street got into a huge argument with each other filled with curse words and it was really bad. I tried not to hear any of their argument, but it was just so loud and they were arguing outside.[/quote]
LOL, I live in the American South, dear. We call 911 after we serve up a large-sized lead sandwich, so the cops can come and collect the body of the property invader. A pump-action double-barrel .12 gauge serves as a nice deterrent to that sort of behavior. Southerners are, by tradition, armed, and South Carolina is a "stand your ground" state, where we are not only allowed to kill home/property invaders, but encouraged to do so. I learned how to shoot and properly maintain firearms when I was a young child. It's a very different world from one where people have to rely on the government or police solely for protection, people I have little faith in.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 2, 2012 13:58:18 GMT -5
I'm so happy that I live way out in the sticks, and it's a good walk between my house and my nearest neighbor's, so we don't share any walls. Not that I don't trust him, but I do value my privacy, and I'm sure he values his. I would hate to live in a city where I had to share common architecture with another family, and this is just one of the reasons. I'd rather put up with coyotes sleeping on my truck's tonneau cover(yes, for realz) or deer hijacking the tomatoes and rattlesnakes sunning themselves in the backyard than random murderers accessing my house via the crawl space and closets.
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Post by pitbulllady on Nov 13, 2012 20:49:00 GMT -5
What do they do? Are they decorations, like a pearichard's tail? Weapons, like a deer's antlers? Sensory organs, like a moth's antennae? Why would a lizard have such growths? We have actually had many discussions on this topic. No, they would not be sensory organs. Moths literally smell with their antennae, especially males, who use them to pinpoint the females' pheromones. No vertebrate(and Randall is most definitely a vertebrate)would have such a feature. They aren't weapons, either, since they are obviously soft and fleshy; besides, why would he need weapons like that when he's got a mouthful of ivory steak knives and can knock an opponent the size of James P. Sullivan around with his tail like a piece of paper? Randall's fronds probably serve more than one purpose, including a means of cooling off(think of the large ears on desert mammals) via evaporative cooling, something we see in the movie when he wets them down with water in the bathroom. They also seem to be a barometer of his moods, as he can raise and lower them, whether knowingly or a reflex. More than likely, though, their main reason for existence is as a secondary male sex characteristic, analogous to a rooster's comb or a lion's mane, something to advertize the fact that he is a mature male. This might or might not make him more attractive to females of his species/race. Some male lizards actually DO have tall, modified scales on their heads and necks, which indicate their gender and age; iguanas come readily to mind, as the males can develop quite impressive "crests" over time, and studies have shown that males with bigger crests tend to mate with more females. Male iguanas will often try to rip off those scales when they fight, rendering an opponent less sexually attractive in the process. While Randall's fronds are fleshy and not made up of or even having scales, I'd wager that their design initially was based on the scales that line top the heads and go down the backs of many lizard species, like the iguana, even though Randall is no more a "lizard" than Sulley is a bear(OR a cat)! Deer antlers, incidentally, also serve to attract does as much as they serve to intimidate and fight with other bucks. The bigger the antlers, the more does a buck can mate with, because their size and condition indicate HIS overall health and maturity, and nature favors those types of males to sire the next generation. pitbulllady
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Post by pitbulllady on Nov 11, 2012 12:50:59 GMT -5
Hello…completely new to this broad. I’m here because I mistyped over on DA and got Randall Boggs pictuers. There was one where he was kissing a human! I remembered him from the movie then. I always thought he was eveil or bad or something. But I’m seeing different. So I came looking and well here I am. Take your time to look around here, Domino, and you'll learn something, not the least of which is that you can't always judge someone by a one-time action. All of us-you, me, your best friends and your family members-have equal capacity to do good or evil, depending on our individual circumstances at the time. It is surprisingly easy for a very compelling individual to persuade a "good" person to do something horrible, actually, and I suspect we will learn in the prequel, Monsters University, that Randall started out as a "good" guy, and his downfall was due in no small part to Waternoose's manipulations. I've been in Randall's place, and over the decades I've learned how easy it is to be negatively influenced by your situation and circumstances. Randall is no different from the rest of us in that respect. When we are children, we are taught that people are either good or bad, no in between, and that people can't change. Reality is not like that, though. We find out that even respected individuals, like world champion bicyclists and five-star generals, aren't perfect and do bad things, while menacing-looking Harley bikers pull people from burning automobiles and serial murderers go on to spread one of the world's greatest religious faiths. As for that picture on DA you mentioned, I'd wager it probably was made by my friend, who goes by the name of "BlackNaginata". She has written one complete Randall fanfic and is working on a sequel to it, and yes, it does involve him in an intimate relationship with the female human who saved him when the Cajuns who beat him in the trailer decided he wasn't worth eating and dumped his presumably "dead" carcass in front of her driveway. She was the first fanfic writer to actually follow through with that phase of a Randall x human OC relationship; most either pair him with another monster, or have his human love interest "pull a Shrek", as I put it, turning into a monster herself, before they can move on to that phase of their relationship. Many female fans, myself included I must admit, DO find Randall quite attractive, in "that way", and it's not because he's a "bad boy" or "Draco in leather pants". We see what's beyond that, to that very human side of him, so that's something you'll have to get used to in this fandom! pitbulllady
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