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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 28, 2012 12:59:30 GMT -5
To quote Megamind, "you were right, and I was.... less right", lol! At least, I HOPE I was less right, and that you were always right on the money with your assessment that Randall was once a picked-on nerd, and Sullivan a bit of a bully(and most certainly a jock). We really have not had anything official from Pixar about Randall's role or his character in Monsters University, except for this tiny little possible clue that a DA member found and posted, a PEZ dispenser, of all things: www.nationwidecandy.com/pez-disney-monsters-university-144-count-058-oz-ix-004308.htm ! I'm guessing that since these are the first pieces of merchandise released in connection with the movie, that they are officially Disney/Pixar-endorsed, and that the representations are fairly accurate. Randall certainly looks like a happy-go-lucky little nerdy geek with those purple glasses and that silly grin, I must say! I don't see any trace of that perpetually angry scowl or that sly, sneaky smirk he's always shown with in any pictures or stuff connected with the original movie. In fact, he looks really young and innocent, maybe backing up what some of us have speculated, that Randall was one of those unusually gifted kids who went to college at a much younger age than most. I guess we will get to see how he made that "descent into darkness" in the prequel, what happened to make him a bitter, desperate individual obsessed with success, but then, that still does not resolve what eventually becomes of him, does it? In fact, it makes what happened all the more worse, because I can't help but to feel that Sullivan played a role in Randall's downward turn, and then, because he didn't like the results, threw his former co-worker away like a piece of garbage and never once felt a moment's remorse? It would be extremely wrong for Pixar just to leave it at that, now wouldn't it? This little picture, small though it might be, gave me a tiny little shred of hope today, and I surely needed it with all the crap going on in my life. It might be just a PEZ dispenser, but it gave me a reason to smile for the first time in a long while. Is it too much to hope for maybe an animated short or a special on the DVD of M.U. starring Randall, and resolving what happened to him after all? Or is that just too much to hope for? pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Oct 28, 2012 18:23:27 GMT -5
Well considering my "source", I was quite confident in my assessment heh heh. And usually when I do my dedication on some material, I'm pretty confident that I'm going in the right direction.
*thinks* Wonder if Pixar has been watching me...
Something also interesting about the Pez dispenser (and glad that SOMETHING popped up finally...but who would imagine Pez dispensers? (and EXPENSIVE ones to boot), I mean people still do that?)....
Notice how Randall's is shorter than anybody else's, at least head-wise. Could this mean that, also predicted, he is much younger than the others and has passed grades to get where he is?
A while a bit creepy at first glance, that is certainly a rare happy expression on his face...and I'm glad that shows. I mean if this IS real merchandise, and if merchandise follows anything substantial, it's that, yeah, it's all true. He wasn't a bad guy way back when. And THIS should get people thinking.
I would imagine that now there's a support to my claims, and others, in relation to Randall, I would imagine that Sullivan's involvement is definitely promising.
As I've said before...Sullivan=Jock Randall=seemingly geek (I'm not seeing Randall as FULL-ON geek)...put those two together and well...interesting results. As I've said on Pixar planet, there are a lot of ways they can go with this. Sullivan may just dislike Randall just because he's smart, OR uses him to get good grades. That is all still up in the air, but at least this proves, or at least gives big support, to the claims of Randall not having been stale-and-still throughout his life.
Well...I doubt a short would do justice. I mean since Randall is now proven more to be less than what most people thought, then the "resolution" phase of things (sequel) would need to be the proper movie-like length. At least that's what I think.
But it's good to be given hope....heh...but how ironic. Right when a hurricane's a blowin' around the east coast. What a doozey.
(You know, should keep an eye out for merchandise now. At least on-sites. The cost and abruptness of this item-set may be "held-back" items or something, maybe only available on request or if you have the in-knowledge)
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 28, 2012 19:22:59 GMT -5
The $210.00 price tag is actually for a whole CASE of Pez dispensers, 144-count, to be exact. Believe it or not, there is a big market for Pez collectibles, and I'm betting that the collector market, rather than just kids with a sweet tooth, is mostly what this candy marketer is aiming for. According to the site, these ARE official Disney merchandise, too. I don't even think that these are available for actual sales just yet, because the description says that they "will be modeled" after the four characters, which means that they aren't yet being made in bulk, and probably even still will be in limited quantities.
Now, nobody would love a full-length Randall-centric movie more than me, but honestly, I don't see that happening, unless it's a direct-to-DVD deal, perhaps again made available on a collector's edition of the movie DVD. Unless Pixar really has a huge hit with M.U., I kinda doubt they'll make another M.I.-related full-length theatrical release, and it will probably be past my lifespan if they do. But, yeah, if they show that Randall did not start out as a bad person, but was MADE that way by his circumstances, they can't just leave what happened to him in the original movie up in the air. They have to resolve that, not just to show whether he's alive or not, but to bring closure to the conflict between him and Sullivan, however it got started. IF our mutual hunch proved right, that Sulley DID have a part in Randall's turning towards the "dark side", then it's up to Sulley to make things right again. If he never looks back on what he did, and tries to fix things, he will be forever an evil son of a female dog in my book, and the same goes for the writers at Pixar who let that stand.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Oct 28, 2012 19:35:16 GMT -5
Ahh missed that bit. I never really buy in big-amounts....
Well I admit, Pez has made many collectible contributions. So I guess it's more that then the practicality of actually eating Pez that I was thinking of.
Well good that it's official. Still...considering Sullivan, Wazowski, and Randall are mains, makes me wonder if this other guy, Squishy is a "graced-background character" (who gets to be with "the big boys"), or is a main himself...
Well maybe not-centric, but he'd be in the same "three-group". After all the sequel has possibilities. I have my predictions of course...*snickers*
*folds arms* We'd have to give Pixar some breathing room at this point though. It appears they HAVE listened and have reasoning to see that this is the best way to go about it. This glance shows a hopeful reveal and, if proves true, shows Pixar is at least paying attention.
I would imagine that MU will do well...considering that a majority of loyalty is with fans of Randall and now with this piece, at least those who know he's not evil will be more inclined to view the film. I sure am.
And if your going to do a movie, then give a prequel to show "how it came" to the point in the second film, then you have to show a resolution in a sequel. It's a proper way to give justice to everything.
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Post by Theophilus Hatta on Oct 29, 2012 19:33:39 GMT -5
All Pez dispensers are creepy. But it is nice to see a big grin on our lizard. And geekiness. Geek!Randall fits well with that scream-machine building talent in MI.
I don't know about Sulley being a bully. A jock, yes, but he's not a mean person. I doubt it's in his character to ACTIVELY bully someone. He's clumsy and well-meaning but probably not the brightest bulb. I can see him borrowing his pal's homework, copying it down and forgetting to give back Randall's work.
If you want to assume someone's going to bully someone, Mikey seems much more likely. He and Randall already have issues with each other in MI.
Sounds reasonable to me
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Post by mintygreen on Oct 30, 2012 2:28:31 GMT -5
To quote Megamind, "you were right, and I was.... less right", lol! At least, I HOPE I was less right, and that you were always right on the money with your assessment that Randall was once a picked-on nerd, and Sullivan a bit of a bully(and most certainly a jock). We really have not had anything official from Pixar about Randall's role or his character in Monsters University, except for this tiny little possible clue that a DA member found and posted, a PEZ dispenser, of all things: www.nationwidecandy.com/pez-disney-monsters-university-144-count-058-oz-ix-004308.htm ! I'm guessing that since these are the first pieces of merchandise released in connection with the movie, that they are officially Disney/Pixar-endorsed, and that the representations are fairly accurate. Randall certainly looks like a happy-go-lucky little nerdy geek with those purple glasses and that silly grin, I must say! I don't see any trace of that perpetually angry scowl or that sly, sneaky smirk he's always shown with in any pictures or stuff connected with the original movie. In fact, he looks really young and innocent, maybe backing up what some of us have speculated, that Randall was one of those unusually gifted kids who went to college at a much younger age than most. I guess we will get to see how he made that "descent into darkness" in the prequel, what happened to make him a bitter, desperate individual obsessed with success, but then, that still does not resolve what eventually becomes of him, does it? In fact, it makes what happened all the more worse, because I can't help but to feel that Sullivan played a role in Randall's downward turn, and then, because he didn't like the results, threw his former co-worker away like a piece of garbage and never once felt a moment's remorse? It would be extremely wrong for Pixar just to leave it at that, now wouldn't it? This little picture, small though it might be, gave me a tiny little shred of hope today, and I surely needed it with all the crap going on in my life. It might be just a PEZ dispenser, but it gave me a reason to smile for the first time in a long while. Is it too much to hope for maybe an animated short or a special on the DVD of M.U. starring Randall, and resolving what happened to him after all? Or is that just too much to hope for? pitbulllady It certainly is a different expression than I've seen them give to Randall in the past. Also, it does appear that he's wearing glasses which is interesting. If he used to need corrective glasses, I wonder why he doesn't wear them now? Do you think Randall wears lenses or that maybe he never really needed glasses? I know that that happens since my father used to wear glasses when he was young but it turned out that he never really needed them and the doctor who told him he needed them just wanted to make more money by getting more people to think they needed glasses. Funny enough, my dad's vision is actually better than most people his age. He has pretty much 20/20 and he's 69. My boyfriend also used to wear glasses a long time ago and then it turned out that he didn't need them. I really wonder how often that happens? Anyway, it is just an interesting random thing to wonder about....as to why Randall no longer wears the glasses. As for Randall being interested in success....well, I'm sure he was back then too. He's pretty smart. I'm sure he cared a lot about doing well....although somewhere along the line I think Sulley must have made him more bitter. |
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 30, 2012 10:17:30 GMT -5
To quote Megamind, "you were right, and I was.... less right", lol! At least, I HOPE I was less right, and that you were always right on the money with your assessment that Randall was once a picked-on nerd, and Sullivan a bit of a bully(and most certainly a jock). We really have not had anything official from Pixar about Randall's role or his character in Monsters University, except for this tiny little possible clue that a DA member found and posted, a PEZ dispenser, of all things: www.nationwidecandy.com/pez-disney-monsters-university-144-count-058-oz-ix-004308.htm ! I'm guessing that since these are the first pieces of merchandise released in connection with the movie, that they are officially Disney/Pixar-endorsed, and that the representations are fairly accurate. Randall certainly looks like a happy-go-lucky little nerdy geek with those purple glasses and that silly grin, I must say! I don't see any trace of that perpetually angry scowl or that sly, sneaky smirk he's always shown with in any pictures or stuff connected with the original movie. In fact, he looks really young and innocent, maybe backing up what some of us have speculated, that Randall was one of those unusually gifted kids who went to college at a much younger age than most. I guess we will get to see how he made that "descent into darkness" in the prequel, what happened to make him a bitter, desperate individual obsessed with success, but then, that still does not resolve what eventually becomes of him, does it? In fact, it makes what happened all the more worse, because I can't help but to feel that Sullivan played a role in Randall's downward turn, and then, because he didn't like the results, threw his former co-worker away like a piece of garbage and never once felt a moment's remorse? It would be extremely wrong for Pixar just to leave it at that, now wouldn't it? This little picture, small though it might be, gave me a tiny little shred of hope today, and I surely needed it with all the crap going on in my life. It might be just a PEZ dispenser, but it gave me a reason to smile for the first time in a long while. Is it too much to hope for maybe an animated short or a special on the DVD of M.U. starring Randall, and resolving what happened to him after all? Or is that just too much to hope for? pitbulllady It certainly is a different expression than I've seen them give to Randall in the past. Also, it does appear that he's wearing glasses which is interesting. If he used to need corrective glasses, I wonder why he doesn't wear them now? Do you think Randall wears lenses or that maybe he never really needed glasses? I know that that happens since my father used to wear glasses when he was young but it turned out that he never really needed them and the doctor who told him he needed them just wanted to make more money by getting more people to think they needed glasses. Funny enough, my dad's vision is actually better than most people his age. He has pretty much 20/20 and he's 69. My boyfriend also used to wear glasses a long time ago and then it turned out that he didn't need them. I really wonder how often that happens? Anyway, it is just an interesting random thing to wonder about....as to why Randall no longer wears the glasses. As for Randall being interested in success....well, I'm sure he was back then too. He's pretty smart. I'm sure he cared a lot about doing well....although somewhere along the line I think Sulley must have made him more bitter. Randall might need glasses for reading or driving; he DOES hold that newspaper in the original movie really close to his face, come to think of it. As a Scarer who relies on "invisibility" to practice his craft, he would not be able to wear glasses obviously, while on the job. He might wear contacts, but more than likely, he just does without vision correction at work. Perhaps that has contributed to what so many people have assumed is an angry scowl; it is really from straining to see! As a college kid, he would have needed the glasses more, with all the reading he would have been doing. Pitbulllady |
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Post by mintygreen on Oct 31, 2012 22:55:31 GMT -5
It certainly is a different expression than I've seen them give to Randall in the past. Also, it does appear that he's wearing glasses which is interesting. If he used to need corrective glasses, I wonder why he doesn't wear them now? Do you think Randall wears lenses or that maybe he never really needed glasses? I know that that happens since my father used to wear glasses when he was young but it turned out that he never really needed them and the doctor who told him he needed them just wanted to make more money by getting more people to think they needed glasses. Funny enough, my dad's vision is actually better than most people his age. He has pretty much 20/20 and he's 69. My boyfriend also used to wear glasses a long time ago and then it turned out that he didn't need them. I really wonder how often that happens? Anyway, it is just an interesting random thing to wonder about....as to why Randall no longer wears the glasses. As for Randall being interested in success....well, I'm sure he was back then too. He's pretty smart. I'm sure he cared a lot about doing well....although somewhere along the line I think Sulley must have made him more bitter. Randall might need glasses for reading or driving; he DOES hold that newspaper in the original movie really close to his face, come to think of it. As a Scarer who relies on "invisibility" to practice his craft, he would not be able to wear glasses obviously, while on the job. He might wear contacts, but more than likely, he just does without vision correction at work. Perhaps that has contributed to what so many people have assumed is an angry scowl; it is really from straining to see! As a college kid, he would have needed the glasses more, with all the reading he would have been doing. Pitbulllady That makes sense. |
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Post by lizardgirl on Dec 7, 2012 18:37:10 GMT -5
I don't know how to feel about this.
On the one hand, it looks as though Randall probably isn't going to be depicted in quite the way he was in MI- it seems as though Pixar have taken a more sympathetic approach to his character by turning him into a 'geek'. This is definitely a good thing, and it's certainly better than him being presented as an 'evil villain' sort of character with no reason or motive for being so nasty.
On the other hand, I hope they don't take away too much of the character we saw in MI...A lot of the time he was mean, sure, but I've always thought of Randall as the kind of guy who would be pretty sarcastic and cutting even if he'd led the 'perfect life'. In MI, I love the way he acts when he's not being horrible- he has a quirky, interesting personality and sense of humour, even his turn of phrase is quite unique in the film, and I really hope they maintain that aspect of him. I don't want to see him just being portrayed as a typical nerd without any consideration of what he was like in MI.
These really are the winds of change...
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Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 7, 2012 20:07:04 GMT -5
You got a point LG. I hope they don't show him as full on Geek (as in, as there HAVE been some notions of this, "Revenge of the Nerds"). I mean honestly...Randall's smart, but he's not a geek.
.....Of course a funny notion...if Randall WAS a geek (as said, hope not)...I would imagine the one that got him out of that phase wasn't Wazowski or Sullivan.
*pause*
What? You'd think Randall would stay that way once he'd realize he'd turn out like FUNGUS? *chuckles*
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 8, 2012 14:46:16 GMT -5
I don't see the term "geek" as being all that negative, personally, nor
"nerd", either. I was definitely both in college, plus "punk"(odd combination, yes), and I am still definitely the nerd if by "nerd" you mean someone who has an insatiable quest for knowledge and learning. Randall probably was one of the engineering students, given his abilities in the original and the emphasis that the official MU website puts on that particular school of education on campus. I see Randall as sorta like Buddy Pine-brilliantly intelligent and creative, but with a bit of a redneck(and no, that is definitely NOT a bad thing given where I come from) streak himself. His quirky Hoosier-speak still points to a rural Midwestern background. Hopefully Pixar won't try to make him into the overbearing "Neidermeyer" wannabe Nazi Stormtrooper frat leader type of the frat which originally kicks out Mike and Sulley, but won't just show him as this totally innocuous little overachiever, either, without showing how he got from that to the individual whom we saw in the original. BUT at the same time, that still leaves the resolution of what happened to him up in the air, doesn't it? If all we get is a "nice-guy-turns-bad-and-gets-thrown-away-like-garbage, good-riddance" thing, that is still going to be a big disappointment. Someone on DA suggested that maybe the whole story in MU will be told from someone's perspective, from the present, and will include Randall as part of that, to show how he had that falling-out between him and Mike and Sulley that lead to the turn of events in the original movie, while at the same time, resolving them.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 8, 2012 18:09:30 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's negative...but one thing to remember in the industry of filmmaking is a regular tactic....stereotypes. The stereotypical nerd (at the rise of the term) was a smart, nasely, glasses wearing-dubbed "dork" that played role playing games with other nerds in the basement of their homes.
Not all of these aspects are bad, but when they're all shoved at the same time for the sake of pushing NERD! at you...well it is in that respect.
There's always a "bad" label that people have made for everything...even if the thing itself isn't bad.
So yeah, Randall's smart, but not the stereotypical geek type. Loner probably suits him better.
*folds arms* Umm...I actually said a long time ago a suggestion would be that this is from Sullivan's perspective. Anybody hear that?? 0_0 With the crushing demands of being CEO on his shoulders, Mike getting into a relationship (which Sullivan has no time to do himself and leaves his "friend" unable to "hang out" as much), and the thing with Randall over his head, he thinks back to a time (probably from a picture or maybe even his diploma/degree) when he had some "freedom" to do what he wanted. And as we see from the teaser, he was pretty much unrestrained back then.
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