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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Mar 2, 2005 22:49:45 GMT -5
Boy, this person must've never even watched the movie. Well, maybe they just judged the movie wrong. Look at this page, and go down to Waternoose and Randall. You'll see what I'm talking about www.villains-lair.com/bios/voicebios.html
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 3, 2005 6:24:46 GMT -5
Boy, this person must've never even watched the movie. Well, maybe they just judged the movie wrong. Look at this page, and go down to annoying crabby dude who refused to take the blame for everything that happened at MI and Randall. You'll see what I'm talking about www.villains-lair.com/bios/voicebios.htmlI had found this site several months ago, and then Sean posted a link to it on the old board. The owner acknowledges that Waternoose was involved along with Randall, but doesn't say that WATERNOOSE was the one who came up with the idea. It disturbs me to think of Randall as dead, and I'm sure everyone here agrees. Besides, if he DID get killed, as I've pointed out before, this would make Sulley a MURDERER in the FIRST degree, and definately NOT "hero material"! I guess I need to find this person's message board and let them know this, since I don't think that either Disney nor Pixar would want to have a cold-blooded murderer being the hero of one of their movies. pitbulllady
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Mar 3, 2005 7:08:33 GMT -5
Murderer, yes, but wouldn't this con't for a couple other villains I know? Usually when they've done 'evil deeds' no sympathy is spared for them. Well, as much as I can think, the one's that HAVE in fact been killed are Maleficent, the Wicked Queen, Scar, Zira, and I think, Jafar. Don't know- haven't seen the sequel in awhile ... But they have attempted murder, so it's supposedly up to the heroes to rid of them. Personally, I found the Wicked Queen's end to be rather sick ... especially since she sorta ended up dead by the 'heroes'. If Sullivan did kill Randall, I think everyone who hates him would have a blast ... but that one 'friend' I have, who for no reason hates his guts, never said Randall was killed. She just found the ending downright funny. They're a lot of sickos out there =P
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Post by Mirage on Mar 3, 2005 8:47:37 GMT -5
Wow...personally, I think it's kind of messed up to assume that Randall was killed and EATEN by those people. Sure, he was knocked out by the shovel for a bit, but where did that person get the idea that he actually died...? Plus if they extended that thought in their mind just a little bit, they'd realize that that would make their 'hero' a murderer. Yup, pretty sick.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 3, 2005 9:35:48 GMT -5
Wow...personally, I think it's kind of messed up to assume that Randall was killed and EATEN by those people. Sure, he was knocked out by the shovel for a bit, but where did that person get the idea that he actually died...? Plus if they extended that thought in their mind just a little bit, they'd realize that that would make their 'hero' a murderer. Yup, pretty sick. They probably realized, like I did, that this trailer was in the Louisiana bayous, and recognized the kid's Cajun accent. Cajuns are NOT known to be picky eaters, and basically, if it has legs and isn't furniture, they'll eat it! They will also dine on snakes and every kind of fish there is, including some that are considered inedible by everyone else. Cajuns are well known for dining on alligator, which is pretty much a dietary staple in south Louisiana(you will see billboards advertizing alligator as "The Other White Meat" all over the state), so if the people in the trailer thought that Randall was a 'gator(though I still don't see HOW), they would have tried to eat him unless their eyes were opened somehow and they realized he was NOT a 'gator or other "lower animal" but a sentient being. That would require nothing short of Divine Intervention, quite honestly. pitbulllady
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 3, 2005 9:44:26 GMT -5
Murderer, yes, but wouldn't this con't for a couple other villains I know? Usually when they've done 'evil deeds' no sympathy is spared for them. Well, as much as I can think, the one's that HAVE in fact been killed are Maleficent, the Wicked Queen, Scar, Zira, and I think, Jafar. Don't know- haven't seen the sequel in awhile ... But they have attempted murder, so it's supposedly up to the heroes to rid of them. Personally, I found the Wicked Queen's end to be rather sick ... especially since she sorta ended up dead by the 'heroes'. If Sullivan did kill Randall, I think everyone who hates him would have a blast ... but that one 'friend' I have, who for no reason hates his guts, never said Randall was killed. She just found the ending downright funny. They're a lot of sickos out there =P Many of these villains were not killed by the "hero" of the movie, though, except for Maleficent. I guess you could consider her to be one of the truelly EVIL villains, in that she was a supernatural being who derived her powers directly from Hell itself, as she calls upon in the movie. She was, from a Judeo-Christian point of view, a demon. On top of this, the story of both "Sleeping Beauty" and "Snow White" were old fairy tales, writting/told at a time when there was a strong belief in evil fairies and witchcraft and valient heroes out to conquer the demonic forces manifested in the former. I didn't see how Zira died, and Jafar came back, so he wasn't dead. As for Scar, he got killed by his own minions, the hyenas, NOT by Simba, after he missed his leap and went over the cliff. Hyenas kill lions, and lions kill hyenas; it's just part of the food chain. I still am not able to separate the behaviors of the animals in "The Lion King" from that of the real thing, so I basically think of them as lions, hyenas, etc., just doing what they have to do to survive, NOT as "people", even though they converse with each other. A human character in that movie, if there were any, would probably just hear growls, roars, snarls, etc. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 3, 2005 15:00:17 GMT -5
I've already done that Pitbulllady. Already put out the content on my find. Idiots.....thinking that.....
Hmph. Everyone, mostly, thinks the "hero" of a story is a SAINT NOT MATTER WHAT THEY DO. Randall dead? NO WAY! If he was, than Sullivan is the Villain here.
The other Villains WERE Villains. Randall wasn't remember? He wasn't even in that category, since Waternoose had control over him.
Randall is not dead. People who believe such things out to be in Cajun pots....
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Post by Mirage on Mar 3, 2005 16:20:26 GMT -5
Yeough....Cajuns.... Oh, and Zira died by falling off a cliff. Nala offered to save her by pulling her up, but Zira was too proud...she tried to climb up herself and fell to her death. >.<
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Mar 3, 2005 17:33:18 GMT -5
Yeah, forgot that Scar did get killed by his minions ...
Ah well- I put it this way, look at the movie through their point of view. It ... well, it sometimes looks like they're doing what they are for a reasonable cause (revenge) ... and uhh ... Gaston. He's an example of stupidness. Leading those people to danger ...
Besides the fact that he once said in House of Mouse "No one breaks their leg like Gaston!" ... heh, yeah.
Most of them are just ... out there. Wacked out -- well, Hades, I could understand- he was left to the Underworld, and I'd say a couple of centuries ruling the dead and staying underground would get me in a bad mood.
But you have to admire them in one way or another- they've got guts to do what they do AND they cause conflict ;D lol- makes the movie interesting
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 3, 2005 17:36:09 GMT -5
Gaston was a jeaulous guy. He loved Bell and forcebly wanted to marry he with noone getting in the way. Say "stalker"?
Sorry if anyone likes Gaston. It's just....he seems like a jerk wanting to kill Beast. I mean he literally BACK STABS the Beast after he was spared.
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Mar 3, 2005 17:43:46 GMT -5
Well, as much as I like villains, he seems to be one of the retards ... ex. Frollo ... they'd get along quite well =) lol
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 3, 2005 17:46:37 GMT -5
Frollo was an over-religious bad guy. He kinda....seperates himself from the others, but not so much as Randall does.
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Mar 3, 2005 17:50:54 GMT -5
Yeah- kinda felt bad for Frollo though ...
Well, yeah, Randall- put it this way- if the villains were going to get together and try to destroy everyone like in Kingdom Hearts, I really don't think Ran would join. He's got enough confedience and intellegence to think for himself. The others ... they'd act like it's a big Barbeque -__-;
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 3, 2005 17:56:04 GMT -5
Yeah, if you took a look at my Kingdom Hearts (have you read past the first 4 chapters?) Randall's actually one of the heros.
He's actually kinda like Donald in a few ways. With that temperment ^_^ And with all those hands, just think how much magic he can dish out ^_^. Pytho (M.I.'s villain) is actually based on the darkside of Randall's heart. In a word, he was also a sort of Heartless. Actually. Pytho's end is an important part....
I'm right now working on the Harry Potter part of my Kingdom Hearts for Light Rises. Since hardly anyone wants to read mine, I stopped, but am welcomed to do parts for my friends ^_^ Unfortunetly she hasn't told me what she thought of the first chapter.....
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 3, 2005 18:11:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I never thought of comparing Randall's personality to Donald Duck's, but it is true, isn't it? They both are pretty irrascible, with a tendency to let little things bug 'em, but for the most part, that's the extent of it. I can see Randall becoming quite a curmudgeon in his old age, LOL-an opiniated senior who has no problems speaking him mind on anything and everything!
And about "Zira", I never saw that sequel, what was it, "Simba's Pride" or something? Many villains end up dying, but I have less problems with it if it's not by the hero's hand. If Nala tried to save Zira, then she wasn't the cause of her death, right? I can also justify the deaths of both Frollo(can you can "religious extemist"? VERY dangerous, no matter what beliefs they subscribe to)and Gaston, who was a true backstabbing idiot of a villain. That is one of the reasons I guess I still like Bob Parr & family; he had a chance to kill both his main antagonist AND his lover/assistant, but didn't, even though at one point he thought Buddy had killed HIS family. Buddy's demise(if indeed HE is dead, and from Brad Bird's latest interview, Im even more inclinded to think otherwise)was his own fault. He was not killed or harmed by Bob in any way. Early scripts DID have them battling it out to the death, but thankfully Brad realized that it would have made Bob a much stronger hero to NOT have him kill his enemy. Sulley is therefore nowhere NEAR the true hero Bob Parr was, since I believe he DID intend for Randall to be killed when he landed in that trailer, although he might have regretted it later on. In that respect, by doing this to get revenge on a wrong done to him, Sulley is, in my opinion, no more a true hero that Syndrome was-six of one, half-dozen of the other.
pitbulllady
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