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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 2, 2010 19:53:24 GMT -5
*chuckles* Wonder how such a person would react to hearing that some true Christians actually support Randall. She didn't react too well to ME telling her that, that much is certain! As Christians we're taught to "love the sinner, hate the sin". I don't condone any of the things that Randall did. I can UNDERSTAND them, understand how he'd get to that point, but that still doesn't make what he did RIGHT. HOWEVER, they also do not mean that Randall himself is pure evil, and cannot ever be anything other than evil. Randall had limits just like we all do. Repeatedly, scientific studies have proven that even people from a sound moral background, who consider themselves "good" and who often do adhere to a particular religious belief, can still easily be coerced or led into doing things that they'd otherwise consider "evil" or "cruel". We have our limits and our "triggers" of certain reactions or behaviors, no matter how "pure" and "good" we think we are, and a skilled person(like Waternoose)knows how to find those triggers and how to manipulate people into doing things that they know are ethically wrong, at least. pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 2, 2010 19:56:39 GMT -5
*rubs temple and chuckles* Just like Zazu you have a speech mode ^0^
Anyway, know the good of us here know these things and that they ARE right...some people are just bigots and use anything they know to get their view.
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Post by mistica0christina on Feb 2, 2010 23:34:09 GMT -5
*brain hurts*...once again, don't see the "I'll pray for you" as an insult.  Now, damn little LDD copycats who copy people's hard a$$ work, that is an actual insult...sorry, the evilbay copycat has me all pissed off again. |
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Post by Bampot on Feb 3, 2010 1:14:29 GMT -5
^It all depends in the context it's used.
Someone saying they're going to pray for you because you're unwell or having a personal crisis: Good.
Someone saying they're going to pray for you because you're a morally corrupt person for believe in the concept of redemption and forgiveness: Bad.
If you ever had someone basically insult you and then trying to justify their insults by saying they'll pray for you, you would understand. I had it happen to me recently on YouTube because I believe in something that is apparently going to "damn me to hell." While the writer might mean well, it doesn't take away from the fact that they're still insulting me by saying my viewpoint makes me a evil person in their eyes. I feel I need to kind of saving for my beliefs. I'm sure you feel the same.
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Post by mistica0christina on Feb 3, 2010 10:28:46 GMT -5
That's the thing, normally when people insult me, they don't try playing nice afterwards...ever, they just stick to the insults only and don't try this whole "I'll pray for you since you are damned to hell" routine anyway, they just simply throw out the insults, that's mainly it. I've only dealt with two types of people when it comes to religion. Those who don't agree with my viewpoint but don't care because it's mine and I have the right to it and those that would care but I keep religion out of it so as far as they know, they probably think I'm athetist. Even though I'm cathotlic (that religion that I mentioned has a bad rep), I don't believe in everything that is considered part of the norm in my religion. Sure my parents don't always agree with me but they don't really care, it's my viewpoint so I have the right to it. Like for example, going to church, I find it completely boring and see no point in it...I mean, if I want to be religious and pray and all that then why can't I do it at home, it's just as good but my parents don't agree with me on that but like I said, they may lecture a bit but overall, it's fine, they don't care that much or if they do, they don't constantly tell me over and over and over because since I'm stubborn, they know that more than likely, they are wasting their time.
And yes, I will admit that there are some religious dumb a$$e$ out there who say some stupid stuff when relating to it like my younger brother's (12) CCD teacher had told his class once that anyone who doesn't have a relgion goes straight to hell...let me tell you, my mom had a good chat with the head of the program about that because that is completely a stupid thing to say. Not believing in God doesn't automatically damn you anywhere, like I said, completely stupid.
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Post by Bampot on Feb 3, 2010 14:20:53 GMT -5
I find it happens more online. I've never had anyone insult me and then tell me they're praying for me in person. Hopefully you won't find yourself in that kind of argument because it is a very hurtful thing for someone to tell you.
Hey, most of my friends are Catholic! Or, at least, grew up Catholic. I live in a German community, so the majority of people around here are Catholic :3
Wow, she really said that? I thought that teachers were supposed to keep things like that to themselves. I remember a teacher got in trouble back around the 2004 election when she told some 4th graders that anyone who supports liberals support killing babies. WTF? She got in tons of trouble for it.
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Post by mistica0christina on Feb 3, 2010 19:26:31 GMT -5
Well we got a mix around here but the three most common religions are catholic, baptist and methodist but it's nice to know that nobody minds. ;D
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Post by Bampot on Feb 3, 2010 19:58:39 GMT -5
Yeah, same here, but Catholic dominates :3 I like it because they have such lovely churches. There's a convent in the town where my old high school is. It's on a hill and you can honestly see the whole town from the balcony. Amazing!
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Post by yoruhoshi on Feb 4, 2010 19:30:45 GMT -5
*chuckles* Wonder how such a person would react to hearing that some true Christians actually support Randall. Like a major shock-and-awe combined with a metaphorical backhand slap to the face! XD |
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Post by mentalguru on Feb 7, 2010 15:53:48 GMT -5
Heh. I just don't go for the 'true christian' definition. I instantly get suspicious when people talk about it. There are MANY 'defintions' apparently if you simply ask around. Any christian will discover that some other christian doesn't think THEY are a 'true christian'. When the fact is, even the BIBLE has multiple and various viewpoints surrounding the issue. Not all of them are exactly compatible either sometimes.
A christian is simply someone who a)believes there is a god b)believes that god had a son (Jesus) c) accepts (or feels they accept) said Jesus into said life.
Nothin more, nothing less. That's just it for me. Ranges from the nicest person you could ask for to the nastiest and everything in between. As mentioned - changes some for the better, some worse, some with next to no difference.
It's kind of amusing however sometimes people have automatic beliefs of what goes on in a diverse group. But honestly forgiveness is supposed to be a major tenant.
An example is of atheists/agnostics- the group I belong to, which is of course even more diverse. Not all of us are rational! It's actually an amusing thing I have go on in one of my original fictions- basically I make two characters atheists within it- one is pretty rational (and if anything plays the role of the 'old and wise mentor'... only they're not old), the other however is far from it! And is completely oblvious to their own hypocrisy. She throws 'skeptic' as if it was an insult even sometimes. (Basically she's a UFO conspiracy nut. But there are also other members of the group she is part of who are far more rational, some which are not.)
But she's not all bad and I plan to redeem her if it gets off the ground and hopefully she and the 'mentor' will get some good banter. I've actually grown some fondness for her in some respects as a character, even if she's pretty hypocritical. Then again, everyone has been caught in some form of hypocrisy- either by themselves or someone else. Fact of life, really. IF we fail to meet the standards we set other people well...that doesn't say much. (Granted there are exceptions- general critique of work itself could be considered art in of itself after all.)
I'm more or less of the standard- I don't agree with what you're saying, but I'll defend your right to say it...
Just be prepared to deal with any counter-arguments and extend the same courtesy with others. And counter-aruments to counter-arguments. And so on.
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Post by sgtyayap on Feb 18, 2010 16:03:00 GMT -5
Interesting...Pixar has ALSO taken down the Reviews page, and I don't recall that many negative things said there, at all! |
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 18, 2010 18:49:16 GMT -5
Someone must have mentioned the "R-word", and I don't mean "religion". They either complained about what happened to you-know-who or about the message that movie sent, I guess.
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Post by sgtyayap on Feb 18, 2010 18:55:44 GMT -5
Pitbulllady, IF it WAS simply because of Randall, then, once again, how come my own Wall post, as well as the shorter version of yours, got OK'd by Pixar? Similarly, I've seen other things on their page that criticize Pixar. I'm pretty sure there's at least one such up on their Wall right now, specifically about Toy Story 3.
Besides, bottom line: I didn't see its last days, and, based on how you worded your response, something tells me you didn't, either. Thus, we don't know what caused it to be taken down. For all we know, there was some perverse sex thing said in that section, which, to me, is significantly more likely for being the reason than simply liking a controversial character.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 18, 2010 19:22:20 GMT -5
Pitbulllady, IF it WAS simply because of Randall, then, once again, how come my own Wall post, as well as the shorter version of yours, got OK'd by Pixar? Similarly, I've seen other things on their page that criticize Pixar. I'm pretty sure there's at least one such up on their Wall right now, specifically about Toy Story 3. Besides, bottom line: I didn't see its last days, and, based on how you worded your response, something tells me you didn't, either. Thus, we don't know what caused it to be taken down. For all we know, there was some perverse sex thing said in that section, which, to me, is significantly more likely for being the reason than simply liking a controversial character. No, I didn't see it to be honest, since I don't bother posting there anymore, BUT given the two "R's" that got their ENTIRE Discussion Board removed(and there was definitely no "sex" stuff there)it would not be surprising in the least if some pro-Randall debate got this entire part of their Facebook page removed, as well. I guess everytime something controversial pops up, instead of just removing the controversial bit, Pixar just takes down the entire link. Heck, at this rate, they'll eventually wind up with a completely blank Facebook page! pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 18, 2010 19:42:52 GMT -5
*chuckles* That would be an interesting testament to removing everything instead of the problem hehehe.
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Now, damn little LDD copycats who copy people's hard a$$ work, that is an actual insult...sorry, the evilbay copycat has me all pissed off again. 
