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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 29, 2010 21:53:51 GMT -5
*raises hand* You can be exact...but if you have to round-down do so....how many posts were there in the deleted discussion involving Randall (with that one girl)? There were approximately four, if my memory serves me correctly, maybe five-six at the very most, so it wasn't like there were pages of this discussion on Randall. The entire discussion board was removed because of those four-six posts. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 29, 2010 21:59:41 GMT -5
*shakes head* Not enough. It is not enough posts to remove a topic without no reason or indication. Whomever is running the Pixar facebook has themselves a god complex.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 29, 2010 22:03:07 GMT -5
They didn't just remove the topic; they removed the ENTIRE discussion board, ALL topics. I couldn't find anything to indicate that they'd been planning to take down the discussion board all along, and there were no notes or anything to explain why. It was just gone, including the link to it.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 29, 2010 22:04:30 GMT -5
Like I said, god-complex. Apparently they're one-sided. *grins* Either that or the little Christin was related to the user.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 29, 2010 22:35:55 GMT -5
Like I said, god-complex. Apparently they're one-sided. *grins* Either that or the little Christin was related to the user. What "user"? Everyone who posts there is a "user". This is actually PIXAR'S Facebook page, like I said. It's run by people from PIXAR; it's not a fan-run page. Pixar determines what can and cannot be posted there. The question is whether Pixar removed the discussion forum because ONE thread contained religious references, or because that same thread contained discussions of Randall Boggs. AND, if it's the latter case, was it because some people were actually trying to defend him and suggest that Pixar should show him in a different light, or just because it mentioned him, period? In any case, it was stupid to remove the entire board because of one thread. Looking back through all the other posts on the discussion board, and indeed, on the entire Pixar Facebook page, I noticed that NONE mentioned Randall at all, other than the ones made by myself and SgtYayap, and one of MINE, in an entirely different part of their Facebook page, never got posted. Sgtyayap said it was too long, but maybe it was the content-RANDALL-that got it thrown out. Is Pixar refusing to even allow mention of him on their site, and if so, WHY? pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 29, 2010 22:37:46 GMT -5
Hmm...depends on if Religion I suppose was brought up before in a discussion yet was ignored.
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Post by sgtyayap on Jan 29, 2010 23:12:03 GMT -5
In any case, it was stupid to remove the entire board because of one thread. Looking back through all the other posts on the discussion board, and indeed, on the entire Pixar Facebook page, I noticed that NONE mentioned Randall at all, other than the ones made by myself and SgtYayap, and one of MINE, in an entirely different part of their Facebook page, never got posted. Sgtyayap said it was too long, but maybe it was the content-RANDALL-that got it thrown out. Is Pixar refusing to even allow mention of him on their site, and if so, WHY? pitbulllady Actually, you seem to be forgetting your own shorter post about Randall, which WAS uploaded on their Wall just like mine, even if only for a few days. My guess, at least in that regard, is that it simply WAS too long; looking back on other comments makes me note how brief most of them are; some are only one sentence! I acknowledge that it could've been the Randall topic getting heated that might have gotten the forum taken down, but, then again, it could ALSO have been the fact that that brat threw in a subject that is almost universally touchy. In fact, based on the fact that our two short posts WERE uploaded on their Wall, something tells me that it's just the latter; religion IS somehow offensive to argue about in general, after all.
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Post by mistica0christina on Jan 30, 2010 1:22:48 GMT -5
Some topics are just touchy beyond a shadow of a doubt and religion is one of them (one of the main reasons why I never discuss my regilous affilation with anyone really). Although, don't you think that you're being just a little harsh by calling the religious chick a brat, SgtYayap?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 30, 2010 1:46:36 GMT -5
*rubs temple* Well she was kinda being ignorant not knowing the basis of her presumed religion...
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Post by mentalguru on Jan 30, 2010 2:47:02 GMT -5
It's a bizarre thing really- religion can be a polarising thing in some respects, but four or five posts is hardly a reasonable basis in order to remove an entire discussion board in any real case. Even deleting the TOPIC would have even been an over-reaction- but the whole discussion board? Crazy. Of course we are unsure as to the history of this particular discussion board really- perhaps this has happened before? But the timing still makes me think something is still very wrong and it is just a general over-reaction.
The saying she'd 'pray for you', gah.
Now when it comes to the 'pray for you' idea there are two forms really- there's the nice enough (if pretty awkward for me) thing where they are more or less just saying 'you'll be in my thoughts' which is fair enough, but all too often that sort of comment is made in the patronising way- in a kind of 'holier-than-thou' way.
Ah I've had that line thrown at me once or twice on the net. I USED to get involved in creation vs evolution debates, but I have more or less stopped for my own basic mental health- I sometimes throw the odd thing in now and then, but I now or more or less have been reduced to tiredly posting the definition of a scientific theory (I probably should just save the definition on word and copy-and-paste), if even that, at best (it gets old after a while)...
I've had that line thrown to me as part of a particular side in that debate myself. Patronising, and often only done so because of one simple fact- they hadn't a prayer themselves in relation to the topic! Throwing the 'I'll pray for you' thing is sometimes (but not always) a thing done to get a rise out of people delibrately, a rather cheap way of trying to get the last word. They are not adding anything to the real debate. I've also seen it in topics before I've not been involved in- either the person is generally trying to be the 'nice' one ( but they usually do not do very well) but MOST of the time it's because that person is losing the debate- and they know it. Pretty much everyone can tell when they look at the topic. It depends on the context certainly- but in most cases it IS because they don't have a clue how to respond to your own arguments.
Sometimes however people THINK they are being kind, but come off as the patrionising version- actually I see a lot of this too sometimes. These people usually at first rise anger out of me, but then pity.
I don't know, I often frequent general discussion forums where religious debates occasionally- or sometimes almost always happen, so perhaps I'm pretty much of the belief that it is not a topic which could be considered inappropriate- not even for kids to see. You mean kids might realise that there are people who think differently? Gasp! Horrors! Honestly, as long as there is no extreme swearing/there's no porn whatever/other obvious things.
Christianity in of itself can be dividing, in topics as well as otjer things- but the basic thing with christianity IS that the first (good) thing you probably can immediately relate to the religion is forgiveness, which is why some calvinists absolutely baffle me.
I don't think religious discussion should EVER be banned- if people make stupid general comments about a whole entire GROUP- like all 'X are Y' then they should be warned and stated WHY they were warned, and if they continue in a trollish manner- they should be banned if it seems they are just doing it to get a rise out of people. But asking questions/pointing out someone is wrong is not trolling in anyway shape or form. No topic really should go unquestioned in some respect, you know as long as it's respectful.
As for RANDALL- well, it's just bizarre then if they'd think a fictional character topic needed the whole board to go down at all. Plus no explanation was given- no warning issued it seems even (was there?)
I'm more inclinded to believe it was a religious thing rather than a Randall thing but still it is a major-over-reaction.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 30, 2010 19:13:02 GMT -5
*taps foot* An interesting question...how long before the last post made on that topic did they take the whole thing down?
*grins at Mental* That's religion for ya ^_- It's not all gods and promises of fortune ^_-
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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 30, 2010 19:25:04 GMT -5
*taps foot* An interesting question...how long before the last post made on that topic did they take the whole thing down? *grins at Mental* That's religion for ya ^_- It's not all gods and promises of fortune ^_- It was taken down by the next day, at least, following Sgtyayap's post, which was the last in that thread. What religion promises fortune? I know that Christianity sure doesn't, and neither does Buddhism, at least, not in THIS life. MY point, though, is that this kid who claimed to be a Christian forgot the most-basic tenant of this belief-that no one is perfect, all of us sin, and that we all can be forgiven and should also forgive. Her self-righteous, "holier-than-thou" attitude is no doubt part of what drives so many people to hate Christians to this day, but it's also indicative of a kid who honestly doesn't see anything wrong with what they do, just in what others do, and doesn't believe that they themselves are capable of doing anything as bad as what Randall did. I can remember thinking that way myself as a kid, believing that my faith would keep me on the "straight and narrow" and that just because I was raised in the church, I could never, ever do anything bad, and that bad deeds were only done by people who never went to church and who had no beliefs. Life, of course, taught me otherwise, and I'm sure that this kid will have a nasty little reality check waiting for her somewhere down the road. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 30, 2010 19:33:24 GMT -5
Next day, which means it was quickly administered.....*taps lips* How long was the topic completely. I mean it was a couple posts when the religion thing was brought in (and over what time was that done? That day? So religion was brought in for just ONE day?)...but I mean total. If the total is larger than the posts religion was made, and even more so if in one day, than the chances of it being taken down because of the religion discussion bit instead of Randall are higher.
Not the monetary fortune Pitbulllady. Fortune in as a "fortune of happiness" or just plain "good fortune". I don't have much against religion, don't belong to any myself...but when it's USED to further a negative purpose....well that's plainly NOT how it should be used.
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Post by sgtyayap on Jan 30, 2010 19:44:37 GMT -5
Indeed it was larger than the religion discussion, RandallBoggs. I think there was something like ten posts (I do know there were four before pitbulllady chimed in), and even the mentioning of religion only occurred in the last three. So yes, the chances of religion over Randall ARE higher.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 30, 2010 19:52:03 GMT -5
Indeed it was larger than the religion discussion, RandallBoggs. I think there was something like ten posts (I do know there were four before pitbulllady chimed in), and even the mentioning of religion only occurred in the last three. So yes, the chances of religion over Randall ARE higher. Yes, but all 10 posts weren't about Randall, or even mentioned him at all, just the last few. I believe that the girl brought in religion, to which I responded, then she, then you, and I had that one post before that, so perhaps a total of five posts actually were about Randall. Your post was the last in the thread before it got removed, at least, the last one I got to see. The whole board got removed so quickly that I doubt anyone else got to post there. pitbulllady
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