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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 1, 2010 18:37:53 GMT -5
I agree that the praying bit was meant to be offensive. Many times I've seen a string of insults end with "I'll pray for you." I believe it's mostly used as a way to justify what they just said. I don't think the religious realize how offensive it is when hey say it. I'm sure there would be offense if someone of a religion they opposed said they would pray to their deity for you. It's just one of those "my god is right and your views are skewed" kind of things. It's also a popular assumption amount theist that atheist have no morals. I've always thought that one to be rather humorous, as every atheist I've every met has a very strong moral code. They don't need a promising afterlife to get them to do good. Also a popular assumption is that agnostics can't be theist. Another is that all Satanist worship Satan. The most popular form of Satanism is a branch of atheism that honors the idea of nonconforming and the worship of self. But, yeah, I agree with Mistica that unless the topic is about religion, ones faith should not be brought up. Just for political correctness. Troll or not, although I think this case is a troll, there still was no reason to close the forums for that sole reason. Everyone should be able to state their believes, but there comes a point where it's really unnecessary. Yes, the praying bit was meant to be offensive, because she was practically blatantly stating that I was an evil, horrible sinner and she wasn't-that I was already damned to Hell because I actually thought that Randall deserved a second chance, that he was not anywhere near as bad as Waternoose, and that Sulley was wrong in doing what he did to Randall, when she felt that Sulley's actions were 100% justifiable, and did not constitute revenge at all. Besides stating that she'd "pray for me", she also started spouting scriptures, something from Corinthians, which was one of Paul's letters. I quickly pointed out the hypocracy in her choice of scriptures, given that those words were written by a man who would surely be considered a serial murderer by our standards, someone who'd once been bent on nothing short of genocide of an entire faith, who openly spoke of having tortured innocent men, women and children, to force them to blaspheme against Jesus, before they died, as though he were discussing the weather. And yet she thinks that RANDALL would be beyond any such redemption, or ME, for that matter? pitbulllady
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Post by Bampot on Feb 1, 2010 19:00:00 GMT -5
And the funny thing is that Christianity is mostly about forgiveness and loving everyone. The sad thing is than many Christians hardly act it. They pick a choose things from their book that are very hypocritical. They pull very biased scriptures out and spout them as things that should be considered facts, but ignore the verses that followed the next sentence. I've had people say they would pray for me for having my own morals that I developed myself and not from a book. I don't see why I need any redemption for what my heart sees as right.
I don't see how anyone could think Sulley was completely justified in what he did. He banishing someone without any kind of trail. The right course of action would of been to hand Randall over to the authorities, like they did Waternoose. What they did was way worse than Randall trying to get some extra screams after hours because that's what his boss asked of him. Sulley, if he had the smarts to build the scream extractor, would of done the same for Waternoose.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 1, 2010 19:16:32 GMT -5
....*blinks* Didn't I just...say that? 0_0 --------- The thing, I think, Mistica is that she CLAIMED she was part of a religion, wherein actuality she had NO idea of what he particular religion was based on.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 1, 2010 19:17:27 GMT -5
And the funny thing is that Christianity is mostly about forgiveness and loving everyone. The sad thing is than many Christians hardly act it. They pick a choose things from their book that are very hypocritical. They pull very biased scriptures out and spout them as things that should be considered facts, but ignore the verses that followed the next sentence. I've had people say they would pray for me for having my own morals that I developed myself and not from a book. I don't see why I need any redemption for what my heart sees as right. I don't see how anyone could think Sulley was completely justified in what he did. He banishing someone without any kind of trail. The right course of action would of been to hand Randall over to the authorities, like they did Waternoose. What they did was way worse than Randall trying to get some extra screams after hours because that's what his boss asked of him. Sulley, if he had the smarts to build the scream extractor, would of done the same for Waternoose. That is a really, really good point there, Bampot! Suppose that Sulley, not Randall, had been the one gifted with mechanical and technical know-how, and Waternoose, his old pal, had asked HIM to design and build a machine that would forcibly extract Scream from any child, whether that child was afraid of monsters or not...only the problem is, the machine will need to be tested on living human children, who will have to be temporarily taken(i.e., KIDNAPPED)from their rooms and secretly smuggled into the factory for that purpose. It will all be for the greater good, of course, in boosting the economy and providing people with a reliable energy source. Think that Sulley would have hesitated? I don't, not for one second! This chick's gripe, though, was that Randall had tried to kill Mike and Sulley, which WAS a legit concern, because he did. However, he was NOT acting on his own, and given what would have happened to him if he'd refused to follow those orders, AND the intense emotional/physical/mental stress of the past two years, it's understandable that he simply "went off the deep end". In any case, murder in revenge for attempted murder is still REVENGE, is still not acceptable under any Christian belief; even Jesus repeated warns against this in the N.T., as does Paul(no duh, considering how many people HE murdered before that little incident on the road to Damascus). That theme of how wrong it is to seek revenge is found throughout the N.T. There's no other name for what Mike and Sulley did; it sure wasn't self-defense. pitbulllady
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Post by mistica0christina on Feb 1, 2010 19:38:13 GMT -5
The thing, I think, Mistica is that she CLAIMED she was part of a religion, wherein actuality she had NO idea of what he particular religion was based on. Alot of people are like that, I can guarantee you that if someone were to ask me about why people of my religion do certain things, I would have no clue how to answer them...that and also, when I have heard people say that they will pray for someone, it's normally because the person is having a hard life to deal with, is doing stuff that they shouldn't and maybe need that help, or are dying...I really don't see the "I'll pray for you" as an insult.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 1, 2010 19:44:08 GMT -5
Evidently that meant because, since it was directed at Pitbulllady, that she was having a hard life, doing something she SHOULDN'T, and need "help"....apparently she was having a hard time because she liked a "villain" and shouldn't be supporting him and that she should "get help" for the fact she was defending him.
*blinks* Sorry that I used a dual thing ^_^; But Religion is a touchy subject ^_^;;
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Post by Bampot on Feb 1, 2010 19:48:22 GMT -5
Suppose that Sulley, not Randall, had been the one gifted with mechanical and technical know-how, and Waternoose, his old pal, had asked HIM to design and build a machine that would forcibly extract Scream from any child, whether that child was afraid of monsters or not...only the problem is, the machine will need to be tested on living human children, who will have to be temporarily taken(i.e., KIDNAPPED)from their rooms and secretly smuggled into the factory for that purpose. It will all be for the greater good, of course, in boosting the economy and providing people with a reliable energy source. Think that Sulley would have hesitated? I don't, not for one second! I don't doubt he would have either. The only thing that made Sulley against the scream extractor is that he bonded with a human child. I doubt he would of seen the scream extractor all that different from scaring. At the beginning of the movie, he scared children with ease. He had very little concern about how it effected them. Randall did try to kill Sulley, but Sulley and Mike and Randall completely in their controlled when they thew him in the door. What they did was not out of self-defense as much as it was revenge. They were just as bad as Randall in that case. I think they would of come off as better protagonist if they wouldn't of been so rash.
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Post by V on Feb 1, 2010 19:57:17 GMT -5
Well, here's a Christian speaking. I do love people I know, even if they mistreat me. I just like to be kind to them and such. Not because the Bible tells us so, but because I want to do it. Yes, it really interests me to see "Christians" not follow the Bible, but we know what their fate will be. Sorry to butt in, but I was looking over your conversations about Christians... I hope I as a Christian didn't bother you...
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 1, 2010 20:07:54 GMT -5
Uh oh, Christian!!! 0_0 Just kidding ^_^ It's really nothing against Christians...but the people who pass themselves off as if they're better because the follow it.
And I like South Park's describing of the Bible...that it's not a set of instructions or how you SHOULD live your life, but a collection of inspirational stories of advice and guidance.
Na, it doesn't Vanessa. This person...may not be Christan at all...and like Pitbulllady said about someone previously is just a "bad spreader".
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Post by Bampot on Feb 1, 2010 20:10:04 GMT -5
No, Christians in general don't bother us. It's the fact that someone tried to use their religion in a debate of Randall and saying that anyone who thinks that Randall deserves a second chance is going to hell. Pretty much someone using Christianity as means to be hateful.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 1, 2010 20:11:56 GMT -5
And also one of the foundations of Christianity is essentially "forgiveness", something this person seemed to have no ability to give or accept.
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Post by V on Feb 1, 2010 20:29:26 GMT -5
Ahhh... I see.
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Post by V on Feb 1, 2010 20:31:15 GMT -5
Oh, Ok. Thanks for letting me know! You almost got me there.XDD
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Post by yoruhoshi on Feb 2, 2010 15:40:48 GMT -5
Being Christian myself, here's my insight to offer.
A lot of younger Christians these days are being brought up under the knowledge that they must actively spread the religion, because that's how you are a good follower of Christ. We're not taught to "tolerate" certain things--eg. gay couples, drugs, sex, and violence to name a handful--but a lot of people fail to realize that that means we're not supposed to nastily condemn such things either, in this case being the face that people supporting Randall regardless of whatever violence may be associated with his character. Christians forget that just because we're not supposed to be part of the whole "tolerance" view that we cannot genuinely extend our love to people regardless of different views and religious standings. And being human and therefore imperfect, a lot of Christians forget and are quick to make harmful statements and pass judgement.
I'm sorry that happened to you, PBL. Please don't think that everyone's like that, and just ignore her. Obviously she has her own opinions, and probably a thing or two to learn.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 2, 2010 19:33:38 GMT -5
*chuckles* Wonder how such a person would react to hearing that some true Christians actually support Randall.
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