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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 13, 2009 20:00:23 GMT -5
An add-on to my previous post: believe me, I want to believe that Randall is not evil in these comics, but we seem to have no proof of that whatsoever, just interpretations based on the fact that he never interacted with Boo this time.
Surely something can be done by us about this?
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 13, 2009 20:03:59 GMT -5
But of course, let I note, AGAIN, this is JUST the FIRST issue. Yes, that's what worries me the most where popularity is concerned about these comics: it's going to be multiple issues long. Three months will be plenty of time for enough fans to catch on, and it may not even be limited to three issues! All we can count on for things to go our way is what I've noticed on Amazon: poor marketing.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 13, 2009 20:06:26 GMT -5
*folds arms* So far there are two more....I'm not sure of a fourth, but I think one of the other comics....Incredibles I think got a fourth addition. Now that's just one story apparently.
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 13, 2009 20:10:36 GMT -5
But of course, let I note, AGAIN, this is JUST the FIRST issue. I might have realized what you really meant regarding this being the first issue: are you suggesting that there MIGHT be more depth to Randall than in this issue? I certainly would hope so, but the chances of that, to me, are slim, especially what with what the artist told pitbulllady on dA. The artist said herself that major character rewrites are NOT going to happen. The best we can hope for in this field is that Randall is reluctant about some of the things he does, but he does it anyway.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 13, 2009 20:14:51 GMT -5
*shakes head* The interpretation is either for simply that part or on the whole. *looks up* I KNOW the ultimatum....which is why I'm wondering what will happen. *stares* They'll mostly land this Randall in prision. Maybe the same as Waternoose. But still...they'd know what Randall could do. If not, it's complete ignorance on their part, which I doubt. So who will spring them? There's a third party.
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 13, 2009 20:27:05 GMT -5
I don't know whether there WILL be a third party involved in the comics; one thing I've noticed in these comics is that, for the most part, Boom! is using only characters that already exist, the only exception I'm aware of being a human. I'm just not sure if the suspense will be worth it in the end, especially insofar as where Randall is concerned.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 13, 2009 20:30:00 GMT -5
But here's the thing. Introduce a third party, this unknown human, and things become unclear. If it was just this Randall and Waternoose, it's simple enough. There's no need to add someone else. So WHY do that?
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 13, 2009 20:32:09 GMT -5
I...guess...
Even so, however, it is undoubtable that Randall will have any sort of depth to him, which could have been done with these comics.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 13, 2009 20:35:21 GMT -5
Perhaps so. *rubs temple* We only know 1/3, 1/4 of it's entirety. I know Randall is probably going to get the half-stick....however...I'M at least willing to see them all and find out what's going on.
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Post by mentalguru on Sept 14, 2009 12:28:56 GMT -5
I have no chance of knowing what's exactly going on, bar a few pages I've seen on DevArt without the text. Although the fact Boo is still the same after more than a year bugs me, she was too cute not to fave the third page.
Plus the Randall in the last panel of that page was kind of cool.
I'm guessing it's a poster though. Or something. A part of me kind of want to buy them though all the same. I want to see what's what for myself too. But I hear something is weird about ordering the comics on Amazon or something?
For all we know, what might start off as a 'Revveenge' story might actually even end up okay in the end.
Except if Randall delibrately goes out of his may to physically harm Boo that is.
But I'm not holding my breath- pitbulllady already said she's had a comment replied to on the subject on DevArt, and if we want a 'Randall redemption story' not to get our hopes up, then again even then that doesn't mean that Randall would be promoted as 'evil for the sake of evil'. The summary of the comics however is wanting even when we realise this. Since the stealing of canisters... doesn't seem to make much sense.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 14, 2009 13:59:06 GMT -5
I have no chance of knowing what's exactly going on, bar a few pages I've seen on DevArt without the text. Although the fact Boo is still the same after more than a year bugs me, she was too cute not to fave the third page. Plus the Randall in the last panel of that page was kind of cool. I'm guessing it's a poster though. Or something. A part of me kind of want to buy them though all the same. I want to see what's what for myself too. But I hear something is weird about ordering the comics on Amazon or something? For all we know, what might start off as a 'Revveenge' story might actually even end up okay in the end. Except if Randall delibrately goes out of his may to physically harm Boo that is. But I'm not holding my breath- pitbulllady already said she's had a comment replied to on the subject on DevArt, and if we want a 'Randall redemption story' not to get our hopes up, then again even then that doesn't mean that Randall would be promoted as 'evil for the sake of evil'. The summary of the comics however is wanting even when we realise this. Since the stealing of canisters... doesn't seem to make much sense. The whole premise of Randall admittedly wanting to "frame" Sulley doesn't make sense, either. How can you frame someone who is GUILTY as Hell? To "frame" means to pin blame on an innocent person, or at least, innocent of the charges. Sulley broke the law not only in his "banishment" of Randall without due process, but also committed conspiracy himself, along with the CDA, in not divulging Randall's whereabouts, while at the same time trying to claim that Randall was a fugitive on the run in the Monster World. Randall, in spite of his own criminal(yes, criminal)acts, still has a legal case against Sulley, which probably would outweigh the charges against HIM. Of the charges on the poster, the most serious is kidnapping, but bear in mind that this involved his ACCIDENTALLY taking MIKE, not Boo, and he did not intend for Mike to the subject. Mike was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, trying to make Sulley look like a fool(some friend, huh?). Assault and battery(and a "sucker punch" would count as "battery" is usually an act punishable by a fine or probation, if the victim did not suffer serious injury(and none did). The conspiracy charge would probably be hard to beat, though, although again, Randall does have in his defense the fact that he acted under coersion from his boss. Even a rookie attorney could get those charges either dropped or lessened, especially if Randall turned states' witness against Waternoose. Sulley, on the other hand, would have little in the way of legal defense of HIS actions against Randall, or of his decision to harbor a human child, knowingly and willingly, since bringing in human children to the Monster World was the whole basis for the charges against Waternoose and Randall. pitbulllady
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 14, 2009 14:02:14 GMT -5
You raise a valid point, mentalguru: however bizarre it would be, the artist MAY have told pitbulllady what she did for the purpose of surprising, in a fashion somewhat similar to one of the alternatives she could have said: reading to find out. And if not, she DID say that she didn't know THAT much about the story back then.
Quote: "I am not really the person to ask about things like that. The comics are only considered extended canon and as far as I know, there are no plans to change the nature of the characters as depicted in the original movies."
Still, the chances of that aren't that likely to me, unless Randall is shown as somehow being forced to have to comply with Waternoose again, even despite the latter is in prison.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 14, 2009 17:03:20 GMT -5
You raise a valid point, mentalguru: however bizarre it would be, the artist MAY have told pitbulllady what she did for the purpose of surprising, in a fashion somewhat similar to one of the alternatives she could have said: reading to find out. And if not, she DID say that she didn't know THAT much about the story back then. Quote: " I am not really the person to ask about things like that. The comics are only considered extended canon and as far as I know, there are no plans to change the nature of the characters as depicted in the original movies." Still, the chances of that aren't that likely to me, unless Randall is shown as somehow being forced to have to comply with Waternoose again, even despite the latter is in prison. While I keep that tiny little shred of hope that she was planning to surprise us, I am still enough of a pessimist not to believe that will actually happen. She could have been much more vague, and told me something along the lines of, "I can't reveal anything else, other than buy the comic and find out" IF indeed there was some form of redemption, however small, in store for Randall. While it is the comic writers' INTERPRETATION of "the nature of the characters as depicted in the original movies", keep in mind that practically every word those writers put into print was done with Pixar's full blessing, so if Pixar had any objections to Randall being used as a hollow, cliche'd evil-to-the-core villain, they would have had the comic writers change that interpretation. The only thing we can really hope for is that the comic writers won't actually KILL him off(again, with Pixar's blessings)or have him wind up in such a situation that it will be improbable, if not impossible, for him to return in the sequel, thus giving Pixar themselves the option of revealing Randall's good side. Nothing that the artist told me gives any hope that we'll see that in the comics, though. pitbulllady
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Post by mentalguru on Sept 14, 2009 17:16:05 GMT -5
Don't forget however, also under coersion, he was ordered to kill Mike and Sulley. Attempted murder under coersion would also be added to the list of his charges to a degree. Randall would still probably have to do some jail time entering the double digits. If he hadn't been banished that is, that might is some weird way 'count in his favour' (?).
All of this does make we wonder though what will eventually happen to Randall. Plus, I'm wondering if Sulley's acts will be brought to light to the public. It's interesting in it's own way. Could Sulley's lack of sleep be more than just pressure from his job? Guilt perhaps? It wouldn't surprise me. I can get that lies would eventually be told in some form for the CDA to pull some strings so he'd get the CEO position.
The CDA conspiracy makes it for a potentially interesting story.
(Hey, I'm kind of hopeful).
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 14, 2009 17:36:33 GMT -5
While I keep that tiny little shred of hope that she was planning to surprise us, I am still enough of a pessimist not to believe that will actually happen. She could have been much more vague, and told me something along the lines of, "I can't reveal anything else, other than buy the comic and find out" IF indeed there was some form of redemption, however small, in store for Randall. While it is the comic writers' INTERPRETATION of "the nature of the characters as depicted in the original movies", keep in mind that practically every word those writers put into print was done with Pixar's full blessing, so if Pixar had any objections to Randall being used as a hollow, cliche'd evil-to-the-core villain, they would have had the comic writers change that interpretation. The only thing we can really hope for is that the comic writers won't actually KILL him off(again, with Pixar's blessings)or have him wind up in such a situation that it will be improbable, if not impossible, for him to return in the sequel, thus giving Pixar themselves the option of revealing Randall's good side. Nothing that the artist told me gives any hope that we'll see that in the comics, though. pitbulllady I figured the chances of a surprise were slim myself, but what the tiny optimistic part of my mind is trying to say is that it's not just Randall who doesn't seem like himself: it's Pixar as well. You said yourself that the characters are made really shallow and 2D, and, from what I remember of RandallBoggs' summaries, there is no real moral of any kind that I can possibly interpret from these comics. In contrast, Pixar itself is well known for having deep meaning in its movies, even if they do have what some would consider villains, such as in Wall-E. The only logical proof we seem to have that Pixar has modified their audience with their stories is a mere third-party comic developer. I'd only be FULLY convinced that Randall is pure evil to the powers at Pixar if they actually SAID that themselves instead of just endorsing comics based on their franchises to a degree we're uncertain of. A horrible realization came to me: they DID. They DID say Randall was pure evil via the Special Features DVD of the two-disc edition. Great, just great. Now our only hope IS the campaign!
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