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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 12, 2009 22:25:59 GMT -5
The game doesn't have itself so much a plot. Though I can say from experience, Randall's the best character in it, and the book actually compliments on it.
*waves hand* Japan is the center of great game makers, technology distributers, and bizzare films. Their stretch is such that it is different from here. They are less restraintive. So their portrayl of Randall, as wrong as it is, has him being portrayed as a cartoony-villain impervious to pain. Think of those shows like Pokemon, and take Team Rocket. Constantly shocked, they always come back.
Which is why Cars 2 is also important.
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 12, 2009 22:33:14 GMT -5
...I guess...
Important as in seeing what Pixar is up to with their sequels? Toy Story 3, to me, would be more reliable, considering that it's going to be released sooner. We still need to prepare for the worst, however, even if the previous sequels turn out very well.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 12, 2009 22:36:03 GMT -5
Toy Story 3 is indeed a sequel, but it is also riddled with much drawback, as it was involved in the Pixar/Disney debate way back. However, yes, it is still a sequel. Even more so it seems that it would be the best example if Pixar "remains faithful". Comparing it to Toy Story 3 will see to that. I do commend Pixar, however, that they were able to re-contract Buzz and Woody's (and a third person's) voice actors. That in itself shows promise.
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 12, 2009 22:47:01 GMT -5
Indeed, it would be nice to have the original voice actors for "M.I.2", and it would be even better if Buscemi got to say what he wanted to about Randall (hopefully to the writers as well) instead of saying he was just pure evil for one brief interview.
Alas, he's just a voice actor. It's unlikely that writers listen to the cast, unless the actor involved is actually involved with the writing as well.
And then again, there were the details in the movie we've picked up on. Buscemi must have agreed with at least ONE of the writers at Pixar, or else Randall wouldn't be the way we (and his voice) view him.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 12, 2009 22:48:30 GMT -5
If Pixar is going to go for a faithful film, and Buscemi has insights, then they will have to at least hear him out.
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 12, 2009 22:53:44 GMT -5
True that. If Pixar continues the direction we see in the comics, then, aside from the letters, Buscemi might be our only hope. Even THAT, to me, could be more plausible than letters, considering he actually WAS involved in the movie, even if only for a voice. Not that we should give up on the campaign though, for I could be wrong.
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Post by mentalguru on Sept 13, 2009 10:14:30 GMT -5
Waternoose?
Oh I kind of figured with Waternoose that he was the guy who was given all the major benefits which came from having a rich and upper class family. The best education etc. He had it all.
The keeping of the old company going was pretty much probably a matter of pride- the guy wasn't going to be the first person in the family to lose it. Perhaps a part of him even wanted more cash (he hardly probably NEEDED it, what with whatever 'nest egg' he probably had, but hey it's not to say the guy could be greedy).
At his advanced age, BOTH Waternooses' parents are probably gone. Did the guy have a family? A sibling or kids? A wife? Hard to say. I don't think he had a wife or kids myself. And if he did have siblings, perhaps they didn't have the same interest in the company.
With Randall- the assumption I have is he didn't have a family, or not one really worth talking about. With Sulley and Mike we know their MUMS are still alive. Sulley possibly has siblings or cousins "Did the whole family see it?". Their fathers are debateable, we can't say for sure if they're still around or alive. Personally, I think Sulley was an older brother or if he has no siblings, the eldest cousin. He just seems like the type to me. Mike was probably an only child. (Mother flying in just to watch his COMPANY play? Okaaay.)Once again, this all speculation.
Boo's parents remain a mystery. They seem well off though judging by Boo's room, and I assume Boo is either an only child (at the time) since she's got her own room. Even in BIG houses, usually at that young age, they'd stick siblings of the same gender together. At least, that seems to be the case here. Happened to me and most of my friends- I could have had my own room, but I shared with my sister until I was 10/11. Heck at only two or very young ages they probably wouldn't even have a gender divide if there wasn't that big an age difference. So unless she had a (much) older sibling or something or perhaps Boo was their first child and they want/wanted more... Eh, hard to say though.
I kind of guessed with Randall, Waternoose started off being nice to him, perhaps even stroked his ego at some points, told him he was going to solve the energy crisis, but then his patience waned and it eventually became what we saw in the movie. The scream extractor probably took months at the very least, maybe a year or maybe LONGER. Still, I'd like to perhaps see more on the basis of what actual and specific 'bait' got Randall eventually hooked in to working for him like that in the sequel too.
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 13, 2009 10:36:29 GMT -5
I've been noticing it for a while and I feel it necessary to write it now: we seem to be discussing several topics in one thread. It started out as the comics, then the campaign (which I admit was caused by me), and now it seems we're talking interpretations of the movie. I'm not saying I don't like the idea of personal interpretations of M.I.1, but maybe we should put a separate thread for that topic; even the campaign relates a LITTLE to the comics.
Before that happens, though, I will say that I'm convinced that Boo's either an only child, or has only a brother(s), considering that she IS the only child in her room, and that I always thought of Waternoose as someone...twisted, even before I learned that Randall wasn't. Think about it: the only scenes we have that might show a different side to him were during his whole facade of acting like a father to Sullivan.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 13, 2009 10:39:13 GMT -5
Waternoose? Oh I kind of figured with Waternoose that he was the guy who was given all the major benefits which came from having a rich and upper class family. The best education etc. He had it all. The keeping of the old company going was pretty much probably a matter of pride- the guy wasn't going to be the first person in the family to lose it. Perhaps a part of him even wanted more cash (he hardly probably NEEDED it, what with whatever 'nest egg' he probably had, but hey it's not to say the guy could be greedy). At his advanced age, BOTH Waternooses' parents are probably gone. Did the guy have a family? A sibling or kids? A wife? Hard to say. I don't think he had a wife or kids myself. And if he did have siblings, perhaps they didn't have the same interest in the company. With Randall- the assumption I have is he didn't have a family, or not one really worth talking about. With Sulley and Mike we know their MUMS are still alive. Sulley possibly has siblings or cousins "Did the whole family see it?". Their fathers are debateable, we can't say for sure if they're still around or alive. Personally, I think Sulley was an older brother or if he has no siblings, the eldest cousin. He just seems like the type to me. Mike was probably an only child. (Mother flying in just to watch his COMPANY play? Okaaay.)Once again, this all speculation. Boo's parents remain a mystery. They seem well off though judging by Boo's room, and I assume Boo is either an only child (at the time) since she's got her own room. Even in BIG houses, usually at that young age, they'd stick siblings of the same gender together. At least, that seems to be the case here. Happened to me and most of my friends- I could have had my own room, but I shared with my sister until I was 10/11. Heck at only two or very young ages they probably wouldn't even have a gender divide if there wasn't that big an age difference. So unless she had a (much) older sibling or something or perhaps Boo was their first child and they want/wanted more... Eh, hard to say though. I kind of guessed with Randall, Waternoose started off being nice to him, perhaps even stroked his ego at some points, told him he was going to solve the energy crisis, but then his patience waned and it eventually became what we saw in the movie. The scream extractor probably took months at the very least, maybe a year or maybe LONGER. Still, I'd like to perhaps see more on the basis of what actual and specific 'bait' got Randall eventually hooked in to working for him like that in the sequel too. Sulley actually DOES have a sister; she is mentioned early in the movie while he and Mike are watching that tv commercial, when Sulley's mother calls on the phone. I too, though, suspect that Mike was an only child, as he seems to exude "Only Child Syndrome" quite effectively even as an adult. He still thinks that the whole universe revolves around him exclusively. I can see how Waternoose, while still CEO and still wielding a great deal of power, could have duped Randall into working for him, using the promise of wealth and status, but this happening a second time is problematic for me. By now, Randall must have realized that Waternoose is in prison, he's no longer in a position of power other than that afforded by the generationally wealthy, so he no longer can call the shots. By now, Randall must have also realized that Waternoose's earlier promises held no merit, as well. For Randall to be so easily duped a SECOND time, using the same pretenses, doesn't say much for Randall's intellect or learning curve, does it? That is typical for those shallow, Saturday morning cartoon villains-they never, ever learn from their mistakes, so they keep doing the same things over and over again, even though their actions inevitably result in failure and punishment. I simply cannot buy into the notion of Randall being that stupid. Being young and naive is one thing, but at least naivete' is curable by experience, but simply falling for the same-old, same-old, time and time again, is indicative of a low IQ. Most of the Saturday morning villains are laughable BECAUSE they are so stupid compared to the Good Guys, and I really hate the concept of Randall being turned into an eight-limbed version of Wile E. Coyote who spends all his time plotting to bring down James P. Sullivan, even though every attempt results in pain and failure. pitbulllady
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 13, 2009 11:17:15 GMT -5
I can see how Waternoose, while still CEO and still wielding a great deal of power, could have duped Randall into working for him, using the promise of wealth and status, but this happening a second time is problematic for me. By now, Randall must have realized that Waternoose is in prison, he's no longer in a position of power other than that afforded by the generationally wealthy, so he no longer can call the shots. By now, Randall must have also realized that Waternoose's earlier promises held no merit, as well. For Randall to be so easily duped a SECOND time, using the same pretenses, doesn't say much for Randall's intellect or learning curve, does it? That is typical for those shallow, Saturday morning cartoon villains-they never, ever learn from their mistakes, so they keep doing the same things over and over again, even though their actions inevitably result in failure and punishment. I simply cannot buy into the notion of Randall being that stupid. Being young and naive is one thing, but at least naivete' is curable by experience, but simply falling for the same-old, same-old, time and time again, is indicative of a low IQ. Most of the Saturday morning villains are laughable BECAUSE they are so stupid compared to the Good Guys, and I really hate the concept of Randall being turned into an eight-limbed version of Wile E. Coyote who spends all his time plotting to bring down James P. Sullivan, even though every attempt results in pain and failure. pitbulllady Randall's relationship with Waternoose is also why I just don't see a mellower side to Waternoose: he's basically the monster version of Othello's Iago, in that he is just manipulating everybody for his own purposes. The renewed relationship with Waternoose also makes me question whether the comics are some sort of a sick joke on those who are able to analyze characters like Randall and begin to like them for their imperfections. Boom! Comics has officially degraded the franchise, whether they're going to admit it or not. With the possible exception of where Disney was concerned, I also just can't imagine Pixar allowing something like this and not having second thoughts of any kind. Many of their movies had deep meaning to them, and these comics would seem to imply that these deep messages are complete coincidences, and that people who do note those messages are not to be desired in a fanbase, even if those people make the bulk of the remaining fans of Monsters, Inc. I doubt that that's what Pixar wants to look like, especially considering that those who enjoy their movies are not limited to kids.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 13, 2009 19:10:23 GMT -5
It was a matter of his own pride. Waternoose did not want to be "the waternoose that let M.I. fall". Did he have family? Hehehehe ^_^
*rubs temple* Yes...the "whole family" thing further shows that Sulley have more than Randall did. *looks up* Maybe...there IS a younger Sullivan...and perhaps now that Sullivan is working....his "protectiveness for his siblings" transfered to Boo...
Mike actually has a nephew...no-officially, but they did it.
*looks down* Heh...what would YOU say to entice a guy who, at the time, didn't know where his family was.... ==================== Personally I think it's alright, as I made the topic to begin with. Even so, I was the one who made detail of the descriptions before posting. But yes, perhaps the comic-related material SHOULD be in these interpretations. =============== SISTER? Well the term was "whole family", so it's either a sister or brother.
The only saving grace I can see is that Waternoose is in some...less-than-derserving prision, which I doubt, and this Randall is aiming to place the blame on him. Doubtful, seriously though. But here's the thing....in the third comic...there is a HUMAN opening the door into Boo's room from the Monstropolis side. Which means people...this... Recall...this Randall made NO referrance AT ALL to Boo. Yet whomever this human is frightens Boo. This MEANS something. It has to. In this comic, this Randall is a threat (at least in the plot sense) to Sullivan and Wazowski. This unknown human is a threat to Boo. And Waternoose is probably the threat to everyone. I mean they can't possibly think of pairing RANDALL with a HUMAN for REVENGE, or even Waternoose on the deal. It just makes no sense. ========== *laughs* Iago hehehe....oh sorry heh.
I doubt it's a sick joke. If it was, Sullivan wouldn't have the saving grace that the CEO job is hurting him. We can't denounce anything right now until I get the full comic....or else we're no better than them not giving this Randall his chance.
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 13, 2009 19:38:36 GMT -5
I doubt it's a sick joke. If it was, Sullivan wouldn't have the saving grace that the CEO job is hurting him. We can't denounce anything right now until I get the full comic....or else we're no better than them not giving this Randall his chance. Part of the reason I feel it might be a sick joke is this: there just isn't that much left to question in regards to the comic Randall being pure evil. Heck, the only thing about Randall that is NOT drastically changed for the purpose of making him look bad in these comics is his relationship with Boo, and that's probably because, as you said yourself, there is no scene between them in this comic. And for all we know, there may be some such scenes in the next issues, and, if so, I can imagine how it's going to happen.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 13, 2009 19:39:53 GMT -5
But think. This also questions how long this Randall has been there. Certainly since that locker was full. MORE than enough time for him to find Boo's door and do something, yet he did not.
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 13, 2009 19:47:27 GMT -5
I doubt that Boom! intended Randall to seem that way towards Boo. No matter how unusual we know he acts, those who don't like him probably think that the writer nailed his character, and let's not forget that most people seem to hate him mostly for what he had to do to Boo.
Sorry, but as far as the comics themselves, I'm afraid pitbulllady has summarized much of my position. The only thing we can hope for, in my opinion, is that most people will not hear about this.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 13, 2009 19:57:43 GMT -5
Which gives pause to WHY he's not even after Boo.
*shakes head* At least the good news is that only people who've heard about it are Pixar fans. And those who DO like M.I. will buy. But of course, let I note, AGAIN, this is JUST the FIRST issue.
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