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Post by Ranger Parsec on Jul 3, 2005 13:44:10 GMT -5
A hero not only represents ALL people, but is someone who is willing to selflessly give of themselves for others' benefits, even to the point of risking or losing their own life, just to help others, without ANY thought as to what's in it for them, and without being told to do so. By that definition, I cannot define Randall as a "hero", since he was NOT doing this on his own, and he DID expect, obviously, to get something in return if he was successful. I don't think, that while he was putting a great deal of personal sacrafice, in terms of time, labor, health, etc, into building the Scream Extractor, that he would have willingly risked all that, or his life even, unless someone was forcing him to do so, nor would he have done all this unless he expected to get something really good as payment for his efforts. That's why he tells Wazowski that "soon, even the 'Great James P. Sullivan' will be working for ME". Randall had obviously been promised an executive position within the company to sweeten the deal and offset any threats and put-downs made by his boss. Yes, he believed he was doing good for all, BUT it was not entirely selfless, if he was doing it under pressure or with the belief that he'd be rewarded with something tangible, like a payraise and a position of importance. Believe me, there are LOTS of people who are well-liked by the public, who are flashy and put on a show, and admired by many for whatever reasons, who are anything BUT heroes! I would consider Steve Buscemi to be a rare hero among celebs, due to his work at the World Trade Center site. He stood to gain absolutely nothing from doing that, except the knowledge of knowing that he'd help some family find whatever semblence of closure they could from having their loved one's remains found. He put his very life in grave danger every second he was on that site, and I can only imagine the sort of grueling, frustrating work it must have been, but he was COMPELLED to do that, not because someone told him to do it. He'd left the dangerous work of firefighting to become an actor, but like Bob Parr, he HAD to do something like this to help people, many of whom he never met, who wouldn't have known him from Adam's housecat. That's what I would consider a hero, folks. *claps* Bravo, pitbullady! That really sums it up in the best way I can think of. I agree wholeheartedly with that description. While I like Randall alot, I don't think he's a "hero". He isn't a villian either. He's just a "normal" person. Everyone can relate with him at one point or another. That is SO true. I don't know very many people who can give me the REAL meaning of what "hero" means. It's pretty sad, really. I mean, I personally consider our military, firemen, police, and such as the "real heroes". In the fiction realm, superheroes (like the Incredibles) and space rangers would also be included in that category. But alot of people seem to be confused on such a simple thing as "what constitutes a hero". Funny how things like that can just fade into the blue over time.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jul 3, 2005 13:58:43 GMT -5
Especially since knowing what a hero is is what most people pride themselves over...Personally, I think Steve Buscemi's a hero for helping out as much as he did concerning 9/11 without rounding up publicity for his acts.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 4, 2005 13:52:21 GMT -5
"Well I tried to do something..."
Well....that's under all your guy's classification so....oh well...
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Jul 4, 2005 13:53:21 GMT -5
*nods* Buscemi's a wonderful, caring type of person. There needs to be alot more celebs like that in the world.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 4, 2005 15:48:36 GMT -5
Especially since knowing what a hero is is what most people pride themselves over...Personally, I think Steve Buscemi's a hero for helping out as much as he did concerning 9/11 without rounding up publicity for his acts. That's how I feel. He did that because he is still compelled to help others, not for the publicity or money. He is no longer on the fire dept.'s payroll, so he didn't get paid to do that. No one would ever have known he did it if some of his former co-workers hadn't said anything, so he wasn't doing it for self-promotion, either. No one can argue that the danger he was in every second wasn't real, and that there was a considerable chance that HE could have become a victim himself, due to the danger. I don't think anyone can argue that it was an easy job, either. There are just some people who HAVE to perform such tasks for the simple sake of knowing that someone else's life is a little better because of them. That alone is reward enough. Many celebs have their little pet causes, that they are always going on about, usually because some special-interest group pays them, or because it promotes their latest movie, etc. They still have that "what's in it for me" attitude, and if it involved actual physical danger or hardships, forget it! I don't consider those people to be heros, but what my old Cajun friend Chester calls "Me Too" people, jumping on a bandwagon just because someone else does it, and expecting to get something back in return. pitbulllady
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Post by Greenstars on Jul 4, 2005 18:09:01 GMT -5
"..........You like me and you question my grammer?" Grammar. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Post by Greenstars on Jul 4, 2005 18:50:30 GMT -5
They still have that "what's in it for me" attitude, and if it involved actual physical danger or hardships, forget it! I don't consider those people to be heros, but what my old Cajun friend Chester calls "Me Too" people, jumping on a bandwagon just because someone else does it, and expecting to get something back in return. pitbulllady I have to agree. Although nothing talks as sweetly as money by writing a hefty paycheck for the cause, it still isn't quite as heroic if you're giving it all from the comforts of your own home or for the sake of publicity on your next red carpet appearance. I don't see any genuine altruism when you're posing for flashing cameras and putting on a huge show for the telly while handing over a larger-than-life check to the childrens' hospital. I still, by the way, cannot understand the "contribution" they made for the tsunami victims in India by having "A" list celebrities and actors singing their little hearts out on a stage. Same goes for the whole 9/11 thing and the video they made with Christina Aguilera and co. Can't remember, but they had quite an army of famous faces blindfolded and singing to help the cause in their own special way.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 5, 2005 10:53:32 GMT -5
"OK! SO I MISS ONE SINGLE LETTER AND YO"
Well about Steve....welll....he is sorta an everyday hero. He did work for the fire department in New York (Which me and Ran are gonna try to find when we go back there), and he did help out with the 9/11 tragedy....volunteered I think since he was retired from the department right or something similar?
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Post by lizardgirl on Jul 5, 2005 11:06:04 GMT -5
Yeah, he went back to his old fire department and helped out. Also, Steve supports all of these different charities and once got arrested for his beliefs, but when asked to comment, he didn't provide one as he didn't want it all being publicised about the fact that he's a really good person.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 5, 2005 11:10:25 GMT -5
I remember that! It was on the fan website at the top! When he got arrested. Isn't that illegal though? RIGHT TO FREE ASSEMBLY...
What am I saying? Like anyone cares about those anymore...
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Post by lizardgirl on Jul 5, 2005 13:11:34 GMT -5
Yeah.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 5, 2005 13:12:44 GMT -5
See.
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Jul 5, 2005 15:43:23 GMT -5
Also, Steve supports all of these different charities Yeah, speaking of which, have you seen the "One" campaign ads on TV? Steve's in there. Heh. Although, somehow, I knew he'd show up in it.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jul 6, 2005 10:25:16 GMT -5
What's "One"? ;D
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Jul 6, 2005 16:52:25 GMT -5
Oh yeah. *slaps forehead* *. . .has forgotten some of you live in other countries entirely. . . ;D* The "One" campaign. It's only in America. It's an effort to push the U.S. government to donate more money to poverty in third-world countries, like Africa, who need support. Steve appears in their ads on TV, along with some other celebs and various religious leaders (funny combo, eh?). If you wanna check it out, the URL's www.one.org.
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