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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 12, 2008 16:54:24 GMT -5
Coinicidence ^_^ Well long nights of working on that extractor takes it's toll on him. And the next night of searching for Boo didn't help much either ^_^: That's why I really like that scene with Randall in the toilets at MI. For just a few moments, we get to see what Randall's like when he's by himself (or so he thinks) and it's the only time in the movie when he's not interacting with another character, and therefore not putting on a show. He's just being himself. And you can see just how stressed he is by the way he looks, and the way he seems to revel in just having a few moments to himself. Of course, Fungus spoils all of that. Yeah, that's a great scene, in more ways than one! When he's approaching the sink, Randall actually is seen rubbing his upper back, so it's clear that he's tired and achy already by that point, and that simple little act of splashing cold water on his face(something a cold-blooded reptile would NOT want to do, unless it was very overheated) shows just how stressful the situation was for him, and how he'd been losing sleep over it. Pity most people don't notice that, though. I can't help but notice that the scene briefly cuts away from Randall just as he actually is taking the water and putting it on his face, to show Mike, Boo and Sulley hiding in the toilet stall, almost as though the film's editor felt that to actually show Randall doing that would make him seem too vulnerable, and too "human", and therefore might garner too much sympathy for him. We see him smoothing the water back over his fronds, right before Fungus bursts in(and no one can convince me that Fungus didn't startle Randall on purpose, so he's not as much the "put-upon victim" as a lot of folks try to portray him as). The scene is also great because it really shows off Randall's fluid, almost-feline movement-you can see the muscles and sinews in his back as he's walking away from the camera. Along with the scene where he just "flows" over the control panel of the Scream Extractor, and the one where he's leaping from door to door in the Door Vault, even though there must be a good 30-35 feet separating the doors, this one really epitomizes the concept of "poetry in motion"! pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 12, 2008 18:59:50 GMT -5
Actually some can notice Fungus SMILING with a finger near his teeth as if he's thinking "I'm going to enjoy this".
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 12, 2008 19:43:45 GMT -5
Actually some can notice Fungus SMILING with a finger near his teeth as if he's thinking "I'm going to enjoy this". Sure, anyone CAN notice that Fungus is grinning as he enters the bathroom, but few people DO. They're so hung up on the whole "poor Fungus having to endure all that abuse from Randall all the time" that they fail to realize that the little masochist deliberately calls down a lot of that thunder on himself! Not only that, but he enjoys Randall's misery, and will risk being yelled at just to see it. Fungus isn't nearly as put-upon or a victim as most people think he is. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 12, 2008 19:46:43 GMT -5
What do they call those type of people? I recall this bit being told here and there but never the type.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jul 13, 2008 12:27:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a great scene, in more ways than one! When he's approaching the sink, Randall actually is seen rubbing his upper back, so it's clear that he's tired and achy already by that point, and that simple little act of splashing cold water on his face(something a cold-blooded reptile would NOT want to do, unless it was very overheated) shows just how stressful the situation was for him, and how he'd been losing sleep over it. Pity most people don't notice that, though. I can't help but notice that the scene briefly cuts away from Randall just as he actually is taking the water and putting it on his face, to show Mike, Boo and Sulley hiding in the toilet stall, almost as though the film's editor felt that to actually show Randall doing that would make him seem too vulnerable, and too "human", and therefore might garner too much sympathy for him. We see him smoothing the water back over his fronds, right before Fungus bursts in(and no one can convince me that Fungus didn't startle Randall on purpose, so he's not as much the "put-upon victim" as a lot of folks try to portray him as). pitbulllady Yeah, I noticed that exact same thing! It annoys me SO much when it cuts away to Mike, Sulley and Boo, when the one thing all us Randall fans want to watch is Randall being himself, showing how stressed out he is. Well, at least we realise what both Randall and Fungus are really like. I, too, noticed that sneaky little smile that Fungus has on his face right before he comes into the toilets to 'accidentally' startle Randall, and I think it's actually quite sad. Fungus, of all people, at least has an idea of what Randall is going through. And yet he STILL thinks it's okay to practically take the **** out of Randall! It seems as though Fungus has his little 'poor old me' act down perfectly.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 13, 2008 18:59:18 GMT -5
And in essence, seemingly his only friend So people should get an idea is that if Fungus is the best he had, no wonder he's got a fuse
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Post by sympathetic on Jul 14, 2008 1:30:28 GMT -5
Wow, you guys are right! Now thanks to all of you, every single character in Monsters, Inc. seems to be either one of the following: 1) annoying or 2) a bully, except Randall himself. XD *sighs**shakes head* I really, really hope he's better off... LGBB, did he mention anything about his current life?
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 14, 2008 19:35:12 GMT -5
Wow, you guys are right! Now thanks to all of you, every single character in Monsters, Inc. seems to be either one of the following: 1) annoying or 2) a bully, except Randall himself. XD *sighs**shakes head* I really, really hope he's better off... LGBB, did he mention anything about his current life? Well, no-not everyone is a "bully"; in fact, I really wouldn't characterize ANYONE in the movie as such. Fungus and Mike are definitely annoying, though, and it's hard to say just WHAT motivates Fungus' behavior. He's certainly an odd one, but then, most hard-core geeks usually are, and he IS most definitely a geek, if ever there was one! Mike's got more issues; just why he despises Randall so much from the bery beginning is hard to say. It could be something akin to a racial hate, or just a personal conflict between him and Randall. A LOT of Mike's attitude has to do with the fact that he and Randall BOTH are major "Type II" personalities, which means they're motivated by competition and a need for recognition, so Randall, being the nearest competitor in terms of the Scare Board, is a major threat to Mike's security. Randall doesn't really see Mike himself as so much of a threat, as an annoyance, since he knows that Mike isn't the one at the top of the Scare Board-Sulley is, so Randall considers HIM to be the threat. If Mike had more "guts", he probably would be more of a bully, but he's really too much of a coward. You will note how different he interacts with Randall when Sulley is around, vs. how he intereacts with Randall in Sulley's absence! But insofar as going out of his way to pick on or intimidate those who he perceives as weaker than him, just because he can, that's not Mike's style. As for Sulley, up until he made that decision to throw Randall into that trailer, KNOWING fully well that Randall would most likely be killed, I actually liked the guy. He's one of those laid-back, live one-day-at-a-time guys that's hard NOT to like, even if he's not the sharpest tack in the toolbox, lol. While I had to question him doing stuff like taking this "potentially dangerous" child to a crowded restaurant to show Mike, when he surely could have waited until Mike got home from his date, on the whole, Sulley seemed to be a well-grounded, common-sense individual. I lost all respect for him when he did what he did to Randall, though, even though in all probability, Mike put him up to it. Two wrongs still don't make a right, and never will. Randall's actions prior to that still don't excuse what Mike and Sulley did, although to most viewers, they were justified in their actions-the old "eye for an eye" thing. I quite liked Celia Mae, too, even though she was too taken with her "Googly Bear" to think clearly at times. She's tough, and no helpless damsel in distress, and I think eventually she'll see through her darling's habitual lies. She already made it clear that she wasn't in the business of taking **** off of anybody! The main character who'd I'd really say was a rotten egg was Henry J. Waternoose, but then, I can even see HIS concern, too, in that he was in danger(or so he said) of losing a company that had been in his family for three generations. Most of his actions, though, were motivated by pure greed, the sort of greed that comes from generations of privilege and the belief that you are superior to everyone else by virtue of your family name-sort of like Paris Hilton, but with a measurable IQ. pitbulllady
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Post by sympathetic on Jul 15, 2008 4:44:55 GMT -5
^ Excellent points... still, I feel that Randall was taken advantage of one time too many. I suppose each character has his/her own explanation as to why they acted that way, but banishing Randall? That's too much.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jul 15, 2008 12:41:31 GMT -5
Wow, you guys are right! Now thanks to all of you, every single character in Monsters, Inc. seems to be either one of the following: 1) annoying or 2) a bully, except Randall himself. XD *sighs**shakes head* I really, really hope he's better off... LGBB, did he mention anything about his current life? I have to admit, I have a lot of hate for quite a few characters in MI. It's completely unreasonable- as pitbulllady points out, every character has their own motivations and reasons as to why they did what they did- but it doesn't stop me from sometimes wanting to physically harm them. Especially Wazowski. A friend of mine brought me an MI poster once, that she got free with something. It's the one with all of the characters sort of lined up and Randall leaning over, looking particularly 'evil'. First, we stabbed Mike's eye out, then we set him alight (that is of course, after I carefully cut out Randall and put him in an exercise book for safekeeping). He did say something about his present life in his FAQ. I'll copy and paste everything from the FAQ in another thread.
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Post by sympathetic on Jul 16, 2008 1:00:56 GMT -5
Ooh, ooh, a Mike-hating war! Can I join in? XD
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Post by sympathetic on Jul 16, 2008 5:01:49 GMT -5
Okay, I know this sounds kind of random and even a little off-topic, but what kind of "undercover work" do you think Roz was doing all that time? She mentioned it at the end of the movie shortly before they destroyed Boo's door, but I never really got it and still haven't.
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Post by lizardgirl on Jul 16, 2008 11:25:34 GMT -5
Okay, I know this sounds kind of random and even a little off-topic, but what kind of "undercover work" do you think Roz was doing all that time? She mentioned it at the end of the movie shortly before they destroyed Boo's door, but I never really got it and still haven't. Well, basically, she's the head of the CDA and for whatever reason, the CDA had been suspicious that something had been going on at MI. It makes sense for CDA agents to work undercover at places like MI, because obviously that's where a human child is most likely to enter the Monster World. My theory is that an undercover agent, not Roz, had noticed some suspicious things- perhaps Randall acting a little strangely, maybe Fungus blabbing about things he shouldn't have (I'd put my money on Fungus, because in that bathroom scene Fungus was happy to start talking about the situation even before Randall had made sure that no-one else was there, and Fungus is the one that physically STOPS Randall from finding Mike, Sulley and Boo)- and then reported this to the higher powers, as such. There's no indication as to how long Roz had been working at MI, but I'd just find it a bit weird and a very strange coincidence if she'd been at that MI in Monstropolis for years, which just happens to be the one that has a boss with a master plan. I lean more on the idea that once the suspicions of a lower down agent had been confirmed, Roz might've made a transfer to the MI in Monstropolis. Then she would've been keeping a close eye on everyone, not just Randall, and perhaps things in Randall and Fungus' paperwork, or perhaps their general manner made her focus on them. I don't think she suspected Waternoose's involvement as much as Sulley and Mike didn't suspect it. Aside from keeping an eye on them, I don't think she really did much. She did have access to the whole company's paperwork, so orders for things to do with the machine might've been suspicious (I know the machine was made out of spare parts left lying around, but there must've been a few elements that Randall needed that weren't available), and that sort of thing. As Roz herself says, "I'm watching you, Wazowski, always watching..." implying that she might have even been suspicious of Mike and Sulley themselves!
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Post by Malic on Jul 16, 2008 12:43:20 GMT -5
She could have been located there because of past events of MI also.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 16, 2008 18:58:34 GMT -5
Actually Roz was STILL in the company when Wazowski and Sullivan were trained. Of course, at that time, Randall was Top Scarer and on-loan as a trainer. Take that into account ^_-
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