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Post by sympathetic on Jun 25, 2008 16:53:00 GMT -5
I'm a little confused about the way Fungus views Randall - I know he was also involved in the Scream Extractor plan, but when Mike asked Fungus to free him, he said, "Randall doesn't allow me to fraternize with victims of his evil plot." I thought it was Waternoose, not Randall, who had come up with the plan...
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 25, 2008 19:02:19 GMT -5
It was Waternoose's plan, crab said so himself. What I expect is that Fungus was let in to believe it was Randall's plan instead, as if Fungus got in trouble, he wouldn't have to face saying it was Waternoose's, which it was, though he didn't know, and have to deal with the "wall of lawyers for the rich and powerful" as it were. So Fungus may have been unaware it was Waternoose's plan, though knew the boss was involved later (as we see Waternoose the SECOND time we go to the lab. And seeing as Fungus didn't talk to much then, he was probably a bit unsure why "mr. bossman" had come in ^_^
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Post by sympathetic on Jun 25, 2008 19:28:11 GMT -5
^ Ah, that explains a lot. XD But I'm still unsure about how Fungus ended up being Randall's Scream Floor Assistant. Not that it's a bad thing of course - in fact, sometimes I wish I had Fungus's position.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 25, 2008 20:01:00 GMT -5
My guess is just a pairing....probably nobody else took Fungus ^0^ I believe Ran would agree for anybody but Fungus ^06
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 25, 2008 20:55:09 GMT -5
The decision to pair Fungus up with Randall as a team was probably made by someone in Personel, who had never met either of them, who was just given the assignment of putting Scare Teams together. It certainly wasn't based on compatibility, was it? Someone like Randall, who believes in getting down to business and doing what he was hired to do, does not need a motor-mouth like Fungus, who rattles on incessantly about everything and anything, when he is supposed to be performing a certain task. I had to work with another teacher one year in our computer lab, and she was JUST like Fungus, to the extent that I actually CALLED her that, unintentionally, once. She didn't catch it because she was too busy telling me about her cousin's gall bladder trouble. She'd balance her and her husband's checkbook-out LOUD-while the students were taking a math test on the computers. They would BEG me to make her shut up! She still loves to come down to MY classroom at the end of the day while I'm grading student works and putting grades in the computer and go on and on about her husband's barber's prostate surgery or her daughter's boyfriend's cell phone bill, when SHE is supposed to be putting in HER grades in HER room. She's also the one staff member who will make everyone else have to stay late in staff meetings so she can ask questions. I can certainly feel Randall's aggravation, and I honestly think that he was being a lot NICER to Fungus, given the circumstances, than I probably would have been!
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Post by Veg on Jun 25, 2008 22:09:05 GMT -5
I think my mother and my aunt is a lot like Fungus, since they motor-mouth all the time. Don't get me wrong, I love them, but it sometimes gets quite annoying.
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Post by sympathetic on Jun 26, 2008 7:10:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the helpful replies! Actually, I'm really only asking this to jot down a few facts for my yet unwritten novel. As far as I understand, the story of Monsters Inc. from Randall's perspective would be something like this:
Randall is a hardworking employee who was deprived of parental love and support as a child, so he tries his best to get on Waternoose's good side. But Waternoose changes the numbers on the scream leader board so that Sullivan, and not Randall, is in first place. As a result, Randall gets very jealous of Sullivan and soon becomes his scare rival.
Then Waternoose concocts the Scream Extractor plan and puts Randall "in charge" of it, while convincing him that he will be a hero if the plan is successful and produces even more energy than ever. So Randall gets hyped up about it and therefore is keen on getting the kid to try out the machine - but of course, neither Waternoose nor Randall are expecting Sullivan and Mike to spot the door. And Fungus is just going along with the plan, not knowing that it was all Waternoose's idea.
This is what I've got so far... feel free to add more, or change a few things if they're wrong.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 26, 2008 18:57:30 GMT -5
Hmmm...haven't been here long and you noticed the rigged score board ^_^ Good work ^_^ You've got a good perspective on this ^_^
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Post by Veg on Jun 26, 2008 23:09:30 GMT -5
Cool! Are you going to send it to a Disney publisher or something?
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Post by sympathetic on Jun 27, 2008 2:09:25 GMT -5
Disney publisher? Never knew they actually published fanfics about their movies... but I'll definitely think about it. For the moment, though, I'm thinking of putting it up on FF.net once I'm done with it. My username there is the same as the one I use here.
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Post by sympathetic on Jun 27, 2008 8:55:37 GMT -5
OK, one more question if you guys don't mind: I know that Waternoose only brought Randall into the plan because if it flopped, the blame would be put on Randall and not him, whereas if it worked, he would take the credit. But how would it not work? I'm having trouble imagining that...
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 27, 2008 12:10:25 GMT -5
OK, one more question if you guys don't mind: I know that Waternoose only brought Randall into the plan because if it flopped, the blame would be put on Randall and not him, whereas if it worked, he would take the credit. But how would it not work? I'm having trouble imagining that... Couple of things: that probably is EXACTLY why Waternoose chose Randall, in addition to Randall's mechanical and engineering skills. Randall was not well-liked, and apparently had no family who'd miss him and file a lawsuit if something happened to him, so that made Randall very expendable, or "disposable" if you will. Randall also would have had the motivation to build the machine to make Scarers obsolete, thus stopping anyone from breaking the All-Time Scare Record, which obviously was a major issue with him, for reasons we can only speculate upon. Like you, I have no doubt that Waternoose intended to take full credit for success IF the machine not only worked as it should, BUT also was approved by the Powers-That-Be. It wasn't the notion of using the machine to literally suck Screams from human children that would have problematic to the government, but that of bringing in "toxic" and dangerous human children to obtain Screams from, so that means that it's very likely that the machine Randall actually developed and built was just a prototype, and the intention was to reproduce that in a smaller, portable form that could be carried into children's bedrooms, to avoid actually having to bring in hordes of the dangerous creatures into the Monster World. The prototype was needed to work out the actual physics involved in obtaining Scream energy from a child who was not afraid, whether or not that child WANTED to scream, and that was probably a rather tricky thing to do. Many things could have gone wrong; the machine might simply have been a dismal failure and not done what it was supposed to have done, or worse, it might have actually harmed or even killed the children it was used on. THAT would have been bad, from the monsters' perspective, NOT because of guilt or any laws prohibiting harming humans, but because A)they'd run out of Scream producers if all that the machine was used on were killed by it, meaning each child would only be able to "donate" Scream once(like killing the goose that laid the golden eggs), and B) having masses of children turn up dead in their bedrooms, or simply disappearing forever, each night, would certainly raise some suspicions in the Human World, and increase the chances of a monster getting caught, and the Monster World being discovered by humans. THAT would SO not be a good thing! That is why the prototype needed to be tested on an actual human child, to be sure that the machine did what it was supposed to have done, and to make sure it did so SAFELY, for both the Scream collector AND collectEE. Waternoose would have been aware that in addition to issues with the machine itself, there was always the chance that the plot and the machine would be discovered by the wrong people before it progressed beyond the prototype-development phase, during which time it would have been necessary to import human children into the Monster World, a practice which was highly illegal. THAT is where having Randall involved came in: IF the worse happened, and the machine was discovered, Randall would be set up to take the fall, to have 100% of the blame put squarely on HIM, leaving Waternoose out of the picture. It would be the word of an apparently well-liked and well-known business CEO over that of a lowly Scarer, and a REPTILIAN Scarer at that, whom no one seemed to like. IF, on the other hand, the plot succeded, the prototype worked, and a smaller version that could be carried into children's rooms got approval from the government, and the "energy crisis" was solved, it would be easy to simply get Randall out of the picture before he could take any credit. Who'd miss him? Waternoose could then take full credit, and bask in the fame and glory of having solved the Monster World's energy crisis. The parallels between that and today's "oil crisis" is almost scary, when you think about it, and you can be sure that somewhere in the US, or other non-OPEC nation, there's some human version of a Randall Boggs, slaving away at some working on some means of developing an alternative fuel, or at least an easier, cheaper way of obtaining crude oil that won't rely on OPEC, and if he/she succedes, some big-shot oil company CEO will be given the credit, and that Human World "Randall" will never be known, but if it involved something that is even remotely considered illegal or unethical at this point in time, guess who'll be blamed? Now-and sorry this is taking so long-Disney-Pixar does NOT accept scripts or fanfiction stories from sources outside of their own employees, who are under contract to write for them, and whose jobs are protected by powerful Hollywood unions, like the Screen Writers Guild. It would be a pointless waste of time and energy to send in ideas, etc., to any major studio, with the hopes that it would be made into a movie or tv script. Won't happen. In fact-and I have gotten this directly from people who DO work for major studios-they are not even supposed to visit sites like FF.net, in order to avoid the potential for lawsuits. I've been told that by Jess Winfield, who was a head writer/director/producer for the "Lilo and Stitch" tv series, and by Craig McCracken, who created, directs and produces "Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends", as well as "The Powerpuff Girls". You have to be first and foremost a member of the SWG, and second, a contract employee of the studio you're writing for, in order for your work to be turned into a movie, tv episode, short film, etc., either that or a well-known published book writer with your own agent and manager and a whole slew of lawyers at your disposal to work out the legal issues with turning your work into a movie. You can be certain that most studios get thousands of script ideas and fanfics each and every day, from ordinary people-and those scripts and fanfics go straight into "File 13". pitbulllady
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Post by Veg on Jun 27, 2008 13:08:23 GMT -5
Oh. Well, I apologize sympathetic. I had no idea about what pitbulllady said. I'll just shut up now.
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Post by Malic on Jun 27, 2008 16:36:34 GMT -5
I agree with pitbullady for the most part. Randall was the perfect target for a setup. He qualified for the job that needed to be done, he had no real connections, and he was possibly in a race of monsters that was prejudiced. I have to disagree on the scream extractor though, it seems to clean for a prototype. Don't forget that the government probably knew that children weren't dangerous, the "toxic" children set up could have been propaganda to delay the inevitability of the Monsters being discovered. And yeah your pretty much stuck sending your stories (related strongly to copyrighted material) and such to sites like FF unless you get a job there you get a job at. Emailing them fanfics will likely go nowhere either. But hey, you get to entertain us EDIT: In the big picture of things it is possible that Waternoose was the governments scapegoat.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 27, 2008 17:28:18 GMT -5
I agree with pitbullady for the most part. Randall was the perfect target for a setup. He qualified for the job that needed to be done, he had no real connections, and he was possibly in a race of monsters that was prejudiced. I have to disagree on the scream extractor though, it seems to clean for a prototype. Don't forget that the government probably knew that children weren't dangerous, the "toxic" children set up could have been propaganda to delay the inevitability of the Monsters being discovered. And yeah your pretty much stuck sending your stories (related strongly to copyrighted material) and such to sites like FF unless you get a job there you get a job at. Emailing them fanfics will likely go nowhere either. But hey, you get to entertain us EDIT: In the big picture of things it is possible that Waternoose was the governments scapegoat. Please do explain how Waternoose was "The government's scapegoat". A scapegoat is basically either a totally innocent individual who is blamed when something goes wrong, or someone who is FORCED to do something bad, so they can be blamed for any problems that result. Waternoose WAS the one who devised the plan; it was HIS idea, HIS money that financed it(or rather, money he skimmed from his own company), and HE who would have reaped the benefits if it had actually succeeded. There's nothing to indicate that the "government" forced him to do it, or that THEY actually came up with the scheme or were behind it in any way. To the contrary, while the CDA obviously knew that SOMETHING illegal was taking place in the factory, they seemed unclear as to exactly what, or who was behind it. Roz even makes the statement about "having no idea it went all the way up to Waternoose". In other words, no one had ever suspected him of any wrong-doing, up until they had that evidence on the video tape, in which he confesses to having planned the whole thing. I don't think that the Scream Extractor was "clean" at all, if by that you mean perfect. It was big and bulky, for one thing, and would have taken up way too much space, and I know from long experience that factories and offices do not like things that take up a lot of space. If you can fit three or four smaller useful objects in the same space as one big one, the one big one's gotta go! The tendency is to have machines that are as unobtrusive as possible, that take up as little space as possible, yet can still do the job. I'd compare Randall's Scream Extractor to the first computers, that took up whole entire large ROOMS, though the people who developed computers and programming always had in mind smaller and more efficient machines. I don't think that all of the CDA or any other government, and certainly not the Monster World populace as a whole, was in on the fact that human children weren't toxic, either. There were too many resources being spent in searching for and destroying potential children or child-contaminated objects to say that they were just putting on an act of scaring the public. If they were trying to build up to the "inevitable" breach of the Monster World by humans, that would surely have been the worst way to do it-by keeping monsters convinced that humans were "toxic". It would have made more sense to try to convince them that the OPPOSITE were true, to avoid mass panic and hysteria. Let's face it-we WOULD be a definite threat to the Monster World, not because of our "toxicity", but by our very nature, so in reality the monsters have good reason to fear us, even if it was the wrong reason. pitbulllady
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