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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2005 11:23:46 GMT -5
Please.... Lets NOT get into HIGH detail.... I KNOW I would have made letter POSITIONING wrong, but it still the same....
We still aren't taking in a few things but....
It is possible for a monster gene to still exist in a human body, thus giving at least some kind of characteristic of the Mon.
I wouldn't doubt that Randall has a "family" in this world through past genes...after all he is staying with one heh heh....
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 15, 2005 11:49:43 GMT -5
Gosh, how do you people know all this stuff?! I hate being the youngest here... ;D
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2005 11:51:41 GMT -5
Wait I thought I was the youngest ^_^
Well we CAN'T really do Punnet Squares and such things. Because we DON'T know what kind of....well...."abnomalities" the Devil's Fruit had done to make a mutation.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 15, 2005 12:47:50 GMT -5
No, it isn't possible that the Monster genes still exist in humans, in our world, UNLESS those "humans" really were born in the Monster World, or are the result of a monster, carrying recessive human genes, "getting bus-ay"(to quote someone else)with a human in our world. Like I said, a gene CANNOT be both recessive AND dominant-it HAS to be one or the other. If Monster genes were recessive, which means that that CAN be carried, unknown, by a human, then most of the denizens of the Monster World would look like US. The only plausible possibility would be that there are still "Mons" living hear among us, whose ancestors did NOT get driven out of the Human World, many thousands of years ago, but with the possesion of dominant genes, there should be a lot more of them here, since their characteristics would take over those of the "normal" humans they interbred with.
As for a defination of "species", biologically, it has little to do with appearance. Few would argue that a Timber Wolf and an English Bulldog look much alike at all, yet they are EXACTLY the same species. "Species" is defined by whether or not any two organisms can mate and produce FERTILE offspring, meaning that the offspring themselves are capable of reproducing. If they cannot, this means that they are hybrids, and that the parents were of related, but not the same, species, such as a horse and a donkey. Humans and monsters have not really been separated that long, in terms of evolutionary developement, so it MIGHT still be possible that despite appearances, we are still of the same species, or, as Sean suggested, that the effects of environmental conditions in their world could have altered their genetic code to the point that they themselves represent many different species, which is most likely. Those whose ancestors were last to leave the Human World would be genetically the closest to us, and if we have any belief in the old legends, those would be the scaly monsters-i.e, the so-called "dragons", who apparently were still around in the Middle Ages at least, far past the prehistoric era.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2005 12:51:29 GMT -5
Heh heh.... Ha ha!
How funny.....
Oh....scientists are probably LONGING to find a piece of Devils Fruit. Find out why and how it can change the genetic code. But then again....who say's science.
HAHA! Dealing with some far more here....
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 15, 2005 12:52:42 GMT -5
I'm fourteen...*snivels away into corner* ;D
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2005 12:54:01 GMT -5
Oh thats young......
They say, in Irish, the young have all the luck heh....
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Mar 15, 2005 14:44:42 GMT -5
Wait a minute-you're not taking into account the nature of genes here. A gene is either recessive, dominant, or co-dominant. A recessive gene, paired with a dominant gene, will not manifest itself at all because it is "overshadowed" by the dominant one. What you SEE in the organism, its visable features, are what's called its "phenotype", but what you DON'T see-the recessive genes, are its "genotype". Paired with another identicle recessive gene, you will see the recessives manifest. If a gene is co-dominant, this means it share dominance with another, and therefore you see both traits manifested in the organism. NOW, let's consider the "Monster" genes. They have to either be recessive or dominant to human genes. I would have to assume, based on my fairly extensive knowledge of genetics and inheritance, that they are, in fact, dominant. This means that a monster can carry the recessive human genes-and most probably do-but the genes would not manifest themselves UNLESS they happened to pair up with another recessive human gene set, and you would end up with a monster child having a human-like appearance. HUMANS, on the other hand, CAN NOT carry monster genes, because if monster genes are dominant, then when paired with human genes, they would override them, and OUR offspring would very frequently turn out to look like monsters! Now genetic inheritance is random, so just because two parents both carry the recessive gene for the same trait, does not mean that any of their offspring will exhibit those traits. Offspring can inherit two dominant genes, one from each parent, for the trait, a dominant and a recessive, or two recessives. Only in the latter case will the offspring show the trait. This means that IF Randall and Mirage are siblings(brother and sister-most likely fraternal twins, which means non-identical), then for all the physical traits you see in Randall, he would either have gene pairs like this: Monster-Monster, or Monster-human, with the human traits being largely recessive, except for things like his eyes, speech ability, facial expressions, and other human traits. With Mirage, however, much of her appearance would be the result of human-human gene pairing, which means their parents would both have to have recessive human genes for most of their entire genetic code, and this code just randomly paired up the human genes in her, giving her a mostly-human appearance. Where she would have Monster genes, which are dominant, would be in her blending ability-definately NOT human. Humans in OUR world, on the other hand(Buddy included, though some people might tend to disagree, especially those who don't like him), would not have any Monster genes, otherwise they would show those traits, if indeed the Monster genes are dominant. They would HAVE to be dominant, or far more monsters would look just like US! THEREFORE, any offspring of Buddy and Mirage would have ONLY human genes, since she cannot "carry" Monster genes, otherwise she WOULD look just like a female version of Randall. Ditto for ole Red Boy there. Only human genes, so that's all their kids could get. Even that blending gene is probably recessive to the Monster gene for NON-blending, and since there would be no human equivalent, there would be nothing for it to pair up with, so it would be one of those "dormant" genes that's just there, doing nothing, inactive and useless. Genes can only "work" if paired with another gene for the same trait, since all "higher organisms'" traits are the results of genes inherited in pairs-one gene from each parent. Monster babies born with a human appearance, while rare due to the huge numbers of recessive human genes the parents would have to have in common-one for each human characteristic, would occur once in awhile, and would be taken to the Human World to be adopted and raised(hopefully, anyway)by loving human parents. Those babies would ONLY have human genes for those traits, and cannot produce monster-type offspring unless they are later paired with a monster, whose dominant genes would override the human-like ones, producing offspring which would LOOK like monsters, but carry recessive human traits. That is just how genetics work. Speaking of genetics, off-topic, but one of my Catahoulas is having puppies four feet away from me as I type-just one so far, but she's got a belly full, so there should be a pile of little "Cajun Hellhounds" by morning! pitbulllady That seems to make perfect sense, pitbulllady. Just comparing this information with what I've also learned about genetics is entirely believeable. I'd probably go with you on the theory about this issue. By the way, congrats on the new pups!! I bet they're adorable.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2005 14:51:21 GMT -5
Science is one half of this....glad you understand it. The other halfs mine.....
Pups? Oh congrats... ;D
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Post by Mirage on Mar 15, 2005 15:49:50 GMT -5
Yaaayyyy, puppies!! ;D Bet they're adorable. Well, to Fairlyoddnewyorker, the Bomb Voyage & Vipress thing sound pretty interesting. I like Bomb 'cause he's funny and, well, a Frenchman. I've got sort of a weakness for them. Of course, he's such a minor character that I never thought much about him. 'Beefing up' the character & giving him a wife/kids might be cool. ^^ And...wow. I don't have much to add to the whole discussion of genes. After bio class, I know about the punnett squares and Gregor Mendel the Austrian monk breeding his pea plants. The way pitbulllady explained it all sounds like one of our lessons! ~.^ And finding out about the 'Dark Irish' was interesting, too. I knew there must be Irish people without the fair skin & red hair, I just didn't know about those particular people. Cool! It's funny, though..my eyebrows don't match my natural hair color. They're kinda dirty blonde, even look light brown sometimes. xD But hey--it'd just be another parallel between Mirage & the whole Lucy Ricardo thing! xDD
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2005 15:55:36 GMT -5
*Chuckles*
Lucy you will forever remain in our hearts heh...
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Post by Mirage on Mar 15, 2005 15:57:45 GMT -5
*hums the theme song* Da da da, da da DA da da...
I love Lucy and she loves me, we're as happy as two can be...yadda yadda words words.... ;D ;D
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Mar 15, 2005 16:00:47 GMT -5
All this science-talk is making my brain ache.
X__x;
I shtink at science x(
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2005 16:02:30 GMT -5
Don't worry.... Science will end here for you ^_^
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Post by Mirage on Mar 15, 2005 16:02:56 GMT -5
Me, I LOVE science as long as it's earth science or biology. Chemistry made me want to scream--stoichiometry is sooo difficult!!--and physics alternates between boring me to death and confusing the bloody heck outta me.
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