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Post by Mirage on Mar 14, 2005 21:17:45 GMT -5
Some equation, huh, Sean? HOWEVER, IF my theory that Mirage and Randall are siblings, separated at birth, then that means she was only RAISED Cuban(or more likely, Cuban-American, in Miami, perhaps), but that she, too, is actually Irish(those emerald eyes give it away). So, it's actually ALL Irish, in this relationship-WHEW, if she and Buddy ever have kids, can you IMAGINE what little hellions THEY will be? They'd have to be.....almost as bad as my niece! Gotta love those Celts, eh? pitbulllady *imagines* Aww....such cute wittle fireballs running around!! Kari would have about as much of a handfull babysitting for those two as with Jack Jack! XDD
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 14, 2005 21:20:48 GMT -5
Well.... *finger to chin*
If the Mon Eternity Gene is correct......you are probably right Pitbulllady. Though not in EXACT sense.
Mirage and Randall probably were seperated at birth...BUT not in the way of currenty. As in they weren't seperate when THEY were born. But a long time ago, there was probably a son and daughter born from the same family, and went onto to ENTIRELY DIFFERENT families.
And when I saw entirely different, I DO mean that. The daughter went to humans, the son to Mons.
Though Mirage and Randall aren't siblings, they CAN be related. Mirage carries Mon gene(s), and Randall human ones. They come from the same ancient family.
Believe me. Your guys are scratching the surface of this thing ^_^
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Post by Mirage on Mar 14, 2005 21:27:39 GMT -5
Cool. Okay.
One question....they're Irish. Yeah. Mirage could've been raised Cuban-American (maybe Miami, yes), to account for her little accent. But then what accounts for her slightly darker skin and white hair? Is there something else in there? [I'm part Irish & really pale. But then, all redheads are..] Meh..I'm just pondering..this whole past-and-nationalities thing is really interesting. Especially since I'm really into my history class this year.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 14, 2005 21:29:15 GMT -5
Heh heh....if you want to know about Monster History....I'm the best...
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Post by Mirage on Mar 14, 2005 21:34:00 GMT -5
;D I can tell. If you feel like giving us a whole history of monsters & this particular theory and all..you're more than welcome. ;D
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 14, 2005 21:37:56 GMT -5
I would.... But not now.....
I still have some...."chapters" I need do first before I tell......
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Post by Mirage on Mar 14, 2005 21:42:01 GMT -5
Okay, I can wait, I suppose... *sits in the corner of this place & waits* [I've always treated forums as if they were buildings and everybody on them were inside together. ]
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 14, 2005 21:53:55 GMT -5
Heh heh.... Actually Mirage, your not far off.... I got nearly the same idea for the RPG ^_^. I imagine us as a society with helping Ran out...
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Post by Mirage on Mar 14, 2005 22:00:59 GMT -5
Nice thought. Hey..it's not just a building, it's a whole town designed around helping him..and all the sections are different buildings.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 14, 2005 22:02:09 GMT -5
Actually it's an underground futuristic wonder ^_^
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 14, 2005 22:26:02 GMT -5
Well.... *finger to chin* If the Mon Eternity Gene is correct......you are probably right Pitbulllady. Though not in EXACT sense. Mirage and Randall probably were seperated at birth...BUT not in the way of currenty. As in they weren't seperate when THEY were born. But a long time ago, there was probably a son and daughter born from the same family, and went onto to ENTIRELY DIFFERENT families. And when I saw entirely different, I DO mean that. The daughter went to humans, the son to Mons. Though Mirage and Randall aren't siblings, they CAN be related. Mirage carries Mon gene(s), and Randall human ones. They come from the same ancient family. Believe me. Your guys are scratching the surface of this thing ^_^ Wait a minute-you're not taking into account the nature of genes here. A gene is either recessive, dominant, or co-dominant. A recessive gene, paired with a dominant gene, will not manifest itself at all because it is "overshadowed" by the dominant one. What you SEE in the organism, its visable features, are what's called its "phenotype", but what you DON'T see-the recessive genes, are its "genotype". Paired with another identicle recessive gene, you will see the recessives manifest. If a gene is co-dominant, this means it share dominance with another, and therefore you see both traits manifested in the organism. NOW, let's consider the "Monster" genes. They have to either be recessive or dominant to human genes. I would have to assume, based on my fairly extensive knowledge of genetics and inheritance, that they are, in fact, dominant. This means that a monster can carry the recessive human genes-and most probably do-but the genes would not manifest themselves UNLESS they happened to pair up with another recessive human gene set, and you would end up with a monster child having a human-like appearance. HUMANS, on the other hand, CAN NOT carry monster genes, because if monster genes are dominant, then when paired with human genes, they would override them, and OUR offspring would very frequently turn out to look like monsters! Now genetic inheritance is random, so just because two parents both carry the recessive gene for the same trait, does not mean that any of their offspring will exhibit those traits. Offspring can inherit two dominant genes, one from each parent, for the trait, a dominant and a recessive, or two recessives. Only in the latter case will the offspring show the trait. This means that IF Randall and Mirage are siblings(brother and sister-most likely fraternal twins, which means non-identical), then for all the physical traits you see in Randall, he would either have gene pairs like this: Monster-Monster, or Monster-human, with the human traits being largely recessive, except for things like his eyes, speech ability, facial expressions, and other human traits. With Mirage, however, much of her appearance would be the result of human-human gene pairing, which means their parents would both have to have recessive human genes for most of their entire genetic code, and this code just randomly paired up the human genes in her, giving her a mostly-human appearance. Where she would have Monster genes, which are dominant, would be in her blending ability-definately NOT human. Humans in OUR world, on the other hand(Buddy included, though some people might tend to disagree, especially those who don't like him), would not have any Monster genes, otherwise they would show those traits, if indeed the Monster genes are dominant. They would HAVE to be dominant, or far more monsters would look just like US! THEREFORE, any offspring of Buddy and Mirage would have ONLY human genes, since she cannot "carry" Monster genes, otherwise she WOULD look just like a female version of Randall. Ditto for ole Red Boy there. Only human genes, so that's all their kids could get. Even that blending gene is probably recessive to the Monster gene for NON-blending, and since there would be no human equivalent, there would be nothing for it to pair up with, so it would be one of those "dormant" genes that's just there, doing nothing, inactive and useless. Genes can only "work" if paired with another gene for the same trait, since all "higher organisms'" traits are the results of genes inherited in pairs-one gene from each parent. Monster babies born with a human appearance, while rare due to the huge numbers of recessive human genes the parents would have to have in common-one for each human characteristic, would occur once in awhile, and would be taken to the Human World to be adopted and raised(hopefully, anyway)by loving human parents. Those babies would ONLY have human genes for those traits, and cannot produce monster-type offspring unless they are later paired with a monster, whose dominant genes would override the human-like ones, producing offspring which would LOOK like monsters, but carry recessive human traits. That is just how genetics work. Speaking of genetics, off-topic, but one of my Catahoulas is having puppies four feet away from me as I type-just one so far, but she's got a belly full, so there should be a pile of little "Cajun Hellhounds" by morning! pitbulllady
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 14, 2005 22:32:20 GMT -5
Cool. Okay. One question....they're Irish. Yeah. Mirage could've been raised Cuban-American (maybe Miami, yes), to account for her little accent. But then what accounts for her slightly darker skin and white hair? Is there something else in there? [I'm part Irish & really pale. But then, all redheads are..] Meh..I'm just pondering..this whole past-and-nationalities thing is really interesting. Especially since I'm really into my history class this year. Not all Irish are fair-skinned or red-haired. There are actually what's known as "Black Irish", who have quite dark skin and dark brown or black hair. These people are decendents of African and Middle Eastern sailors and traders who sailed to the British Isle, especially to Ireland, to trade gold, amber and spices for copper, which they needed for tools and weapons, and could not get in their native land. Some got shipwrecked, while others just fell in love with local lasses and decided to stay. The ancestry of the "Black Irish" goes back well into Biblical times. Mirage is not, by the way, a natural platinum blonde. She has dark roots, and dark eyebrows, so that means her stunning hair color-hate to say it-comes from a bottle! Yep, she is a brunette! pitbulllady
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Mar 15, 2005 6:48:30 GMT -5
Glad you guys liked it ^^ ;D
Umm ... about the high school thing- in my own mind, Buddy kinda cools off in high school and lets himself become a human punching bag ... kinda gives up on becoming super. Gets all depressed and such ... Then he meets Mirage and he finds out she has powers, so he's 'inspired' to go back to trying to become a super. Of course, Mirage isn't all too happy ...
Boy, you should see the fight they have when she finds he's still alive ..... yeah, I tried to kill him but I couldn't. xP My friend says I liked the creep too much ... lol
The boyfriend isn't a pitbull or something ... heh, but you can say that, I guess. Football player- my brother designed him. I'm not so great with drawing muscles- they look like pillows. And my bro's into Jak and Daxter games so he draws muscles alot ;D
But this one couple I made up is becoming my favorite. I just don't have regular names for them, but Bomb Voyage, of course, belongs to Disney & Pixar. His wife is Vipress, that's my OC. And their son ... doesn't have a name yet, but I'm working on it ^^;
^^^ Tell me if you're interested in those two- they have a rather dramatic ending and I'd hope they get some fans . . . oh well- the pics will be up- possibly next month, with lots others. Cross your fingers ;D
OH I drew Randall differently yesterday .... I thought he would come out bad ... but .... whoa. Wish I could show you guys right now =P
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2005 9:09:59 GMT -5
Yes Pitbulllady. I have studied Genes and the possibilites of them happening through the Punnet Square.
Lets take from this.
Mn is a monster gene. M the dominant, n the reccessive. Now what these ARE exactly (yes I KNOW dominant and reccessive, but WHAT the dominant and reccessive is SPECIFICALLY. Sure. For Ran, his dominant maybe be purples scales, recessive blue. But what about ALL Mons?).
Anyway. Lets say a human gene is Hh. Yet again. What they EXACTLY are I don't know. Lets take ohh....one Mn Hh
M m
H/ MH Hm
h/ Mh hm
Now WHAT does this prove? Here. Lets try it this way.... A Mon born child with human traits....cross him/her with human with Mon traits with a Mon with distinct Mon traits Yet again, this sciene is funny due to TWO different species.
M m H H M/ MM Mm MH MH
M/ MM Mm MH MH
h/ Mh hm Hh Hh
h/ Mh hm Hh Hh
1. A child with distinct Dominant traits of a Mon, with equality to human traits
2. Same
3. A child with less Mon traits and more human traits, perhaps also a reccessive human trait.
4. Same
No I'm not sure if crossing two species has ever been done RIGHT....But I think that if the Monster Gene is dominant over the human gene, the child will be Mon. Vise versa.
It's delecate proccess. You have to place in abnormalities.....
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 15, 2005 11:11:56 GMT -5
That's not how Punnett Squares work. The capitol letter stands for the dominant gene, and a lower case letter(the SAME letter)for the recessive gene. Like I said, the Monster gene HAS to be either dominant or recessive; it cannot be both.
Gene combinations can be abbreviated like this:
MM-homozygous(pure)Monster gene, does NOT carry human recessive traits
mm-homozygous(pure)human, cannot carry Monster traits-"abormalities" would be the result of birth defects from disease, drug exposure, etc. NOT the presence of Monster genes.
Mm-heterozygous(mixed)gene; individual will APPEAR as a monster, but carries recessive human traits. As I said, the Monster genes would HAVE to be dominant over human, otherwise there would FAR more monsters with distinctly human characteristics.
Two parents with MM, and MM can ONLY produce MM offspring-no human genes present.
Two parents with MM and mm can produce ONLY Mm offspring; ALL will appear as monsters, but all will also carry recessive human traits.
MM and Mm can produce MM and Mm, meaning pure monster and heterozygous carriers; all will appear as monsters.
Mm and Mm can produce MM, Mm AND mm-meaning offspring which look like monsters, though some can carry recessive human genes. HOWEVER, the mm offspring will be, for all intent and purposes, HUMAN, at least in appearance. Because most monsters would only carry recessive human genes that control just a few characteristics, the chances of a nearly fully-human baby being born would be very slight, but not impossible. The only chances though, for a monster child, having Monster genes, to be born in OUR world would be if there was still interbreeding between us and them. Monsters decended from humans, not vice versa, therefore THEY would carry our recessive genes, not the other way around.
pitbulllady
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