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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 18, 2005 16:42:20 GMT -5
You heard about Buddy's past and he was still more effective than if we hadn't learned what happened to him. No, we DON'T know that much about Buddy's past, only that he was a huge fan of Mr. Incredible, that he was creative and highly intelligent, and was snubbed by Mr. Incredible when he tried to become his sidekick, "Incrediboy". We know NOTHING of Buddy's home life. We know zilch about his parents, or the kind of environment he grew up in, or how he interected with other kids his own age, etc. I can speculate that his father was either dead, or his parents had split up, and he had no male role model in the family to look up to, and his mother(or whoever was raising him)was away from the home much of the time, for work or whatever. I can surmise that Buddy most likely did not grow up in a financially secure environment, either, nor did he experience a whole lot of love and affection from anyone in his family, but more or less raised himself. This is all just conjecture, of course, based on kids I know now, but we honestly don't know. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 19, 2005 13:49:13 GMT -5
Pitublllady.... Coincidences and facts are combatents in these kind of things. The Facts you made, such as speculating Buddy's father was dead is based on your own..."experience". The COINCIDENCE to me seems like this may be true.... ....Or something like that.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 19, 2005 16:30:06 GMT -5
Pitublllady.... Coincidences and facts are combatents in these kind of things. The Facts you made, such as speculating Buddy's father was dead is based on your own..."experience". The COINCIDENCE to me seems like this may be true.... ....Or something like that. I'm not sure at all what you're talking about, Sean. WHAT "coincidences" do you speak of? AND, "speculations" are NOT "Facts"; a "FACT" is something which can be absolutely verified as true. A "speculation" is a guess, an educated guess,usually, but a guess nonetheless, and has no way to be proven. It's what would be called a "hypothesis" in scientific terms. I am SPECULATING that Buddy had no father figure at home based on a couple of things: one, his obsession with a male celebrity, and two, he is able to come and go as he pleases, build rocket boots and fly around the city, with no one apparently caring or doing anything to stop him. Without first-hand information from Brad Bird himself, I cannot verify that Buddy had no father(at least who lived with him), only GUESS that he didn't based on behaviors of children I work with every single day. What IS a FACT is that young boys his age, with no male role model, often DO become obessed with some male celebrity, whom they look up to, and another FACT is that many young boys who grow up without a real-live father figure to guide them DO turn to criminal activities. These facts can be corraborated by years of intensive psychological studies, or by simply interviewing inmates in any state or federal prison, the vast majority of which are males who grew up without the benefits of a real male role model/father. A "coincidence", by the way, is when two completely-unrelated events happen either at the same time, or in close proximity to each other, yet still have nothing to do with each other. A good example of that was that on the day Hurricane Hugo struck South Carolina, a moderate(4.0) earthquake occured in western North Carolina-two completely unrelated events, yet many people assumed that one had something to do with the other by virtue of them happening so close together. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 20, 2005 13:45:08 GMT -5
.....*cough* Sorry umm....me and Ran had to take care of my nephew...I uhh...kinda don't "work" after that...
What I mean is.... Based on your experience, you make a hypothosis that Buddy didn't have a father. You've seen such events in a person's life that lead them to doing something such as, in Buddy's case, looking up to the "local hero" as a role model.
So...who can SERIOUSLY doubt what you say?
I mean...you can't just "GO OUT THERE" and say that Buddy was like a clone of Mr. Incredible as a kid with the intention of being evil. You base your stuff on REAL facts, Cause/Effect, sort of.... So...if no conclusion is a FACT of the character....wouldn't a FACT based on REAL experiences be more believeable? Don't answer that question, you guys always do.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 20, 2005 18:57:21 GMT -5
Well, yeah, I guess it would. At least you did clear up what you originally posted; sorry if I came off too "snippy"; I just wasn't sure what you were saying. I can relate to "not working"(as in mentally)after being around kids all day-try "taking care" of, oh, around 200 per day and see how that makes you feel!
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 21, 2005 9:44:16 GMT -5
Ah it's ok ^_^ We're friends afterall...
Ugh. Me and Ran gotta go to this Fair here in Maryland with the family. Faintly enough, the same fair that....heh...well...nevermind that. Gotta get my running shoes for that one, too bad he doesn't have shoes though heh ^_^
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Post by lizardgirl on Sept 22, 2005 11:02:44 GMT -5
I guess sometimes, though, you get those 'bad guys' that are so evil that even when you don't know their background, a part of you doesn't really want to, because it must be really bad to make this person who he/she is. Sure, it's interesting to find out the cause of that type of thing, but I guess different people react in different ways to certain things...
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 22, 2005 14:02:23 GMT -5
Well....those TRUELY evil usually were born that way. Take Maleficent. She was born of dark magic, plain and simple. Uhh....lets see...
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Anyway. A person TRUELY evil just...well...there's just NOTHING that can make them as bad as they were.
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Post by lizardgirl on Sept 23, 2005 11:52:12 GMT -5
No, I think that when someone is born, no matter who they are, they are born with the potential to do a lot of good things, but when bad things happen to them that isn't their fault or that they can't do anything about, they become bitter and, eventually, evil.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 23, 2005 11:59:22 GMT -5
Well... Maleficent was a prime example that proves that wrong.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 23, 2005 14:28:08 GMT -5
I'd have to agree that Maleficent is one of the rare examples of a character who is truelly evil, through and through. She's not a human, or even a mortal being; she is a "Dark Fairy", the equivalent of a demon(as in one of Satan's minions, created in Hell and released on earth). She was CREATED to be evil and to serve Satan. She even calls upon the "powers of Hell" to transform herself into a dragon, so she embodies the Judeo-Christian concept of a demon, a supernatural being employed by Satan to serve his purposes.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 24, 2005 13:16:44 GMT -5
Now Pitbulllady. Not ALL demons are evil. Some try to be good. However, most frequently, they cannot escape the grasp of doing evilness....
Personally, I dislike the fact that a dragon was chosen. Even though it fits with several religion beliefs, even though most are false, I still would have been satisfied with a "Fantasia Demon" sorta thing.
We're gonna have to talk about such things sometime. Say, I forget. What was the name of the demon in Fantasia? And on that. What the heck was it?
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 24, 2005 16:12:38 GMT -5
Now Pitbulllady. Not ALL demons are evil. Some try to be good. However, most frequently, they cannot escape the grasp of doing evilness.... Personally, I dislike the fact that a dragon was chosen. Even though it fits with several religion beliefs, even though most are false, I still would have been satisfied with a "Fantasia Demon" sorta thing. We're gonna have to talk about such things sometime. Say, I forget. What was the name of the demon in Fantasia? And on that. What the heck was it? MY definition of "demon" here is NOT influenced by Japanse Anime/Manga(of which I'm no big fan, anyway), in which the English word "demon" apparently refers to ANY supernatural creature, or for that matter, any sentient non-human being. The word "demon" is used in the English translations because there are no comparable words in English for the many Japanese words that they use to describe such beings, which are often as mortal as we are. For my purposes, that definition is much less broad, since in the sense that I used that word in my previous post, "demon" refers purely to the Western concept, which is a supernatural being whose sole purpose is to serve the forces of Evil. Call them demons, devils, fallen angels, what-have-you, they are 100% alligned with Evil(note capital "E")and cannot be any other way. They were not designed, unlike mortal beings, to have free will. When you consider that "Sleeping Beauty" was not created by Disney, but is in fact one of the old Grimm's Fariy Tales, which has been around since the Middle Ages, you can understand how it will include images and concepts that were popular at that time, including the notion of the fire-breathing, bat-winged dragon as a minion of Satan, mixed with the far more-ancient Celtic belief in the "Unseely Court", or Dark Elves and Fairies, who's purpose was the destruction of the human race. Walt Disney was simply trying to stay as close to the original fairy tale as possible, so you can't blame him for having Maleficent turn herself into a dragon. The Satanic being in "Fantasia's" "Night On Bald Mountain" sequence is called "Chernabog", by the way, which is an old Ukrainian word for the Devil. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 24, 2005 16:16:16 GMT -5
Well actually, I wasn't talking about Anime at all.
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Post by lizardgirl on Sept 27, 2005 12:39:15 GMT -5
Though it is true that in Anime, the definition of demon is quite broad- if you've seen Howl's Moving Castle (EEEK!) then you'd know that Calcifer, a fire demon, is actually really good-hearted.
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