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Post by pitbulllady on Aug 4, 2005 16:09:17 GMT -5
I believe that Randall's gesture was intended to do two things: first and foremost, keep the kid from slipping from his grip and falling to a certain death, and two, it WAS intended to muffle her cries of fear(she starts to cry out after he makes that leap and she slips just a bit in his grip, not so much from fear of HIM, anymore, but of falling) that might attract unwanted attention. This is no different than a parent gently putting a hand over a toddler's mouth briefly to silence a temper tantrum, or just remind the child to lower the volume, so to speak. While I will agree that Boo was of no use to Randall, if she were merely just an aggravation to him at this point, AND he was the callous, evil villain the movie tries to make him out to be, why didn't he just go ahead and let her fall? It would have a quick, easy way out for him, AND he HAD been ordered to kill her, yet apparently he had other ideas. The only logical thing for him to have been doing was trying to get her back through her door, safely and quickly, and no one would be the wiser. This shows that in spite of his hostility towards Mike and Sulley, he had no such hostility towards Boo, and DID have a conscience, after all. She was, to him, an innocent victim in all this, who could not control her actions or destiny. This doesn't mean he felt any affection for her, but he felt no animosity, either..
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ScrewyOldDame
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Post by ScrewyOldDame on Aug 4, 2005 21:45:06 GMT -5
*cue Sean and Ran jumping in* Oooh. You're so good at analyzation, PitbullLady. I agree. That's what I meant by my rathyer muddled post. He could have killed her and not have made any difference, and yet he chose to try and slip her back into her door. As for Boo not being scared of him, I think she was. Remember when she was in the S/E and recoiled from his touch? I think it was a combination of "this terrifying monster has me" *although we fans would phrase it differently!* and "Oh dear merciful heaven's I'm hundred of feet up in the air!"
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 5, 2005 14:47:42 GMT -5
"....Well...Sullivan DID punch me in the face...and the walking kewi did a number on my fronds....so I guess I had somewhat of a reason to take them out..."
Including Waternoose's threats and the fact that you lost control of your normal self to your dark half...
"....Right that too....but anyway....I never intended to hurt the kid.....heck....I wasn't into the idea of locking her in a cage like Waternoose would have either....if only Sullivan didn't come in at the time he did....well....you all would have seen how Waternoose would want to do with her...."
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Post by pitbulllady on Aug 5, 2005 17:05:01 GMT -5
Oooh. You're so good at analyzation, PitbullLady. I agree. That's what I meant by my rathyer muddled post. He could have killed her and not have made any difference, and yet he chose to try and slip her back into her door. As for Boo not being scared of him, I think she was. Remember when she was in the S/E and recoiled from his touch? I think it was a combination of "this terrifying monster has me" *although we fans would phrase it differently!* and "Oh dear merciful heaven's I'm hundred of feet up in the air!"[/quote]
Yeah, she was scared of RAndall THEN, but by the time he got to that closet door and placed her on the floor, and even sooner-while he was making that leap, even a two-year-old could reason that there WERE worse things than being held by a purple scaly monster-like falling, for instance. Boo might not have been warming up to Randall as such by the time he reached the door, but she'd figured out that falling was worse. When Sulley reached that closet, Boo KNEW that Randall was clinging to the ceiling, yet she was not crying or showing any distress, and ran right underneath him to get to Sulley. She seemed quite happy at this point, actually, and it was not just from a sense of relief, since if she'd still been afraid of Randall, she would have been crying(more likely, screaming as only a two-year-old can scream). Young children who are upset don't STOP crying when they see someone they trust; they cry even MORE, because they've learned to "milk" that moment for all it's worth. Boo became upset by Randall and Sulley fighting moments later, just as she would have if her parents had gotten into a big, loud arguement, and if she's anything like every single two-year-old I've known, including my neice, she would have whacked the heck outa one of her parents, in not both, had they upset her enough!
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 5, 2005 17:06:19 GMT -5
"Yeah...and thanks to that I got my head cracked and nearly lost my gift..."
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Post by lizardgirl on Aug 6, 2005 7:27:48 GMT -5
Yeah, because although Boo seemed to be quite a clever child, she still was only a child, and reacted to the events that happened the way any child would.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 6, 2005 11:27:30 GMT -5
"Uh huh....yeah....I still wonder how the heck she jumped on me...."
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Post by Greenstars on Aug 9, 2005 22:08:18 GMT -5
Yeah, she was scared of RAndall THEN, but by the time he got to that closet door and placed her on the floor, and even sooner-while he was making that leap, even a two-year-old could reason that there WERE worse things than being held by a purple scaly monster-like falling, for instance. She didn't seem too concerned about the altitude when Sullivan had her. In fact, she was enjoying the moment and giggling during the ride. I know Randall had other plans for Boo. If he wanted her dead, he would have released the door clasps Sullivan and Mike were hanging onto along with her. This question is killing me: If Randall was so intent on returning Boo to her room, why didn't he just let Mike and Sullivan take care of it for him? I'm wondering if it ever did cross his mind that maybe that was exactly what they were trying to do. It would have saved him the whole chase and eventually, would have spared him getting the boot. He saw them running for the scare floor with Boo. What else could he have thought they were there for? Even if he didn't realize the duo's motivation then, a faint idea would have somewhat struck him by the time they were clinging onto activated doors. I just really want to know what he thought those two could possibly do with the kid and where they would go with her. I'm completely discarding the idea of him thinking that they were on their way to turn the kid in to the CDA, since the orgaization was already crawling all over M.I, and bringing that burden onto oneself was exactly what everybody was trying to avoid. It couldn't have been that difficult for him to just wait the part out until they dumped Boo back inside her door, and then get rid of the eye witnesses that were an actual threat. And just to be safe (and avoid killing the kid altogether), he could have shredded her door and it would have taken care of that, if those were really his motives. Am I making sense?
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Post by pitbulllady on Aug 10, 2005 6:31:17 GMT -5
Randall would have had NO IDEA whatsoever that Sulley and Mike intended ANYTHING for Boo other than A)using her to taunt HIM(thus the purple scaly suit)and B)turning her over to the CDA to use as evidence against HIM. I have NOT discarded that idea at all! Just because they took off for the Door Vault did not rule that out, since they knew by now that Waternoose had ordered them to be killed, and saving their hides would have been their first priority. Randall had no reason to assume, based on the typical monster attitude towards human children, that Mike and Sulley intended anything benign for that child! Waiting for them to put her back through her door would have never even crossed his mind.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 10, 2005 11:28:55 GMT -5
"YEAH! What!? You'd even think that I would have a single thought in my mind that they'd actually WANT to stop this madness!? Think about it. SULLIVAN brought the kid in....NOT ME. And even though I trained the fur rug, he considers me the only thing in his way! Aside from scareing, I KNOW Sullivan hates me...he may not show it...but he does....and I don't like him either...if I gave him the chance to destroy the sole career I have....well...I thought he would take it"
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Post by Greenstars on Aug 11, 2005 0:27:10 GMT -5
Randall would have had NO IDEA whatsoever that Sulley and Mike intended ANYTHING for Boo other than A)using her to taunt HIM(thus the purple scaly suit) Whaat ? Soo... Sullivan's horrible taste in furniture also somehow serves as a method for taunting Randall? I can't see how this whole 'racism' issue you've all discussed only targets monsters who sport scales or other reptilian-like qualities. There's just such a ridiculously wide variety of monsters ranging in all shapes and sizes, colors and skin textures, horns, wings, tentacles, etc., that I really doubt scales and only scales would be considered something out of the norm. It really did seem to me that Sullivan used the fabric of his couch to make a costume for Boo because it was suitable (and the first thing that came to mind to get him out of that bind) to pass off as an infant monster. He didn't use the "scaley" fabric on his couch with the dead-set intention of insulting Randall in any way. If anything, an offensive move of any sort is most likely to come out of Wazowski rather than Sullivan. There was already plenty of evidence against Randall with or without the kid. Even though the CDA eventually found out about Boo, Sullivan didn't seem too keen at first on even having her seen by them even after the alernative of confiding in his boss failed.
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Post by pitbulllady on Aug 11, 2005 5:45:50 GMT -5
Whaat? Soo... Sullivan's horrible taste in furniture also somehow serves as a method for taunting Randall? I can't see how this whole 'racism' issue you've all discussed only targets monsters who sport scales or other reptilian-like qualities. There's just such a ridiculously wide variety of monsters ranging in all shapes and sizes, colors and skin textures, horns, wings, tentacles, etc., that I really doubt scales and only scales would be considered something out of the norm. It really did seem to me that Sullivan used the fabric of his couch to make a costume for Boo because it was suitable (and the first thing that came to mind to get him out of that bind) to pass off as an infant monster. He didn't use the "scaley" fabric on his couch with the dead-set intention of insulting Randall in any way. If anything, an offensive move of any sort is most likely to come out of Wazowski rather than Sullivan.
Name ONE other scaly monster in the movie besides Celia Mae's hair(which don't really count)-go ahead, name one-I dare ya! Lots of furry ones, lots of slimy slug-types, lots of little rounded or oval-shaped things like Fungus or Mike, lots of tentacles monsters-ONE FREAKIN' scaly monster in the whole dang movie! That makes Randall a minority-an odd-ball even among the many varied other monsters, and monster behavior seems to follow human behavior quite closely, which means if you're different, you're strange, therefore you're "bad". Sulley had no idea of thoughts of Randall when he sacraficed his old beat-up chair to make the costume for Boo. Randall would likely have been the furtherest thing from his mind. Would RANDALL have known this? NOOOOOOooo. All Randall knew was this: Mike and Sulley had the kid that he was supposed to test the Scream Extractor on, Mike and Sulley had overtaken HIS lead on the Scare Board, and not exactly fairly, either, and Mike, at least, was constantly taunting Randall with this fact. They dress the kid in purple scaly costuming, and who else is purple and scaly? Randall has no way to know or reason to assume that Sulley is actually trying to protect the kid, so what else is he going to assume?
There was already plenty of evidence against Randall with or without the kid. Even though the CDA eventually found out about Boo, Sullivan didn't seem too keen at first on even having her seen by them even after the alernative of confiding in his boss failed.
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Again, Randall did not know that Sullivan was trying to avoid the CDA, since unlike US, he does not get to see the whole scene back at the apartment. At this point, the CDA does NOT KNOW WHO is responsible for letting the kid in; they might have had suspects, but that's not the same as KNOWING. They did not know about the Scream Extractor, and Randall's assignment was to make sure that the only people who DID, besides himself, Fungus and Waternoose(and whoever else Waternoose might have involved) never got a chance to tell the CDA. Randall didn't watch the movie like we did-he does not see a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that let US know what is going on, like Sulley being protective of Boo or Sulley trying to avoid the CDA. He'd have no logical reason to assume any of this was actually happening.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 11, 2005 10:52:48 GMT -5
Did you hit your head Greenstars? I mean jeez. It's clear that Randall had little to no knowledge on Sullivan's intentions, and Sullivan's to his. All they did was speculate on one another by their past relation. Sullivan didn't trust Randall and knew he wanted to, seemingly, hurt Boo. Randall knew that Sullivan would want to get him behind bars with anything possible. You know...Pitbullady said it better than I can.
"Well...actually Pitbulllady....yeah I have seen it.....no no...not...during....just...a year afterward...."
Well....the C.D.A. had their suspecions (er) that SOMETHING was going on at M.I., but they had no idea who was responsible. I don't have to reveal why, because this agument with you Greenstars is something that has no good end. I mean really...
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Post by lizardgirl on Aug 11, 2005 13:00:09 GMT -5
I have to agree with Pitbulllady on all of this- what she's saying is what I think and it makes sense to me.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 11, 2005 13:02:32 GMT -5
Uh....Cool...you've heard this before remember? It's true.
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