"We're gonna be the best of chums" TRAILER

[CrazyDiamond]

[CrazyDiamond]

And here's a gif version I found on Tumblr!

[pitbulllady]

Such a sweet, old-fashioned kid...makes all this all the more sad, really.
And Mike...it is obvious that his "psychopathic" self-centered personality was already strongly evident. He is already thinking of himself first, and taking credit for any would-be success for the guys in OK, when he says "we already have everything we need to win right HERE"(points to self), and when someone else suggests, "heart", Mike corrects him, saying, "No, ME!" So we start out with someone who believes that he cannot fail, EVER, that he's perfection personified(Mike) and someone who has no self confidence at all, who is shy and lonely and wants to fit it. It is natural that Mike would blame Randall for joining ROR and for everything bad that happens after that, because Mike can simply NEVER see himself as responsible for anything or accept blame for anything.

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[Wolfy]

Pitbulllady, I think you are being way too harsh on Mike's character.
There is also inkling of a scene which will bring Mike down to earth, as it were. A lot of kids start of peppy and full of them selves, it's a common thing. Though I will agree with you he is overconfident, it's not always a bad thing, and Randall obviously admires him for it.

[pitbulllady]

Jun 17, 2013 15:14:50 GMT -5 Wolfy said:

Pitbulllady, I think you are being way too harsh on Mike's character.
There is also inkling of a scene which will bring Mike down to earth, as it were. A lot of kids start of peppy and full of them selves, it's a common thing. Though I will agree with you he is overconfident, it's not always a bad thing, and Randall obviously admires him for it.

No, I'm not. Mike's real character starts here, and continues through MI. He really does think that highly of himself. You can excuse it as a kid being "peppy and full of himself" in college, but when an adult boasts about being "so romantical(sic)maybe I should just marry myself", doesn't find anyone else's jokes funny but his own, thinks his own best friend is "jealous of his good looks", there's a problem. Yes, Randall DOES admire him for that in college, but then you have to realize how limited Randall's social contacts have been up to this point. Randall cannot recognize that flaw in Mike's personality because he's never encountered it before, just like he thinks the guys in ROR are "cool" and admires THEM, and fails to realize that they aren't asking him to join because they like him or really believe he's ROR material, but for much less admirable reasons. Randall is so desperate for a friend, so urgently wanting to belong and fit in SOMEWHERE, that he's a very poor judge of character. Johnny knows this and takes advantage of it, knowing that once he has Randall under his control, he can easily manipulate him into doing things that will turn Mike against him, and it works. Johnny knows that Mike won't put up with "friends" who might make him look bad. I'm not a Mike fan, as you can probably tell, and while I wish that friendship between him and Randall had lasted, I also can see how one-sided it would have been, how Mike would have constantly overshadowed and controlled his far-less-confident pal, even more than he does with Sulley in MI.

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[Wolfy]

We are going to have to agree to disagree about Mike then.
I take Mike's various comments in the same way Sulley does; not very seriously. And I truly believe that although Mike is confident, he is not a mean spirited person by nature. There are plenty of perfectly nice people I know who make the same jokes about themselves, just as Mike does, and I believe it's often a way to overcompensate for their own insecurity more than anything.
I agree with you in regards to Johnny's relationship and motives with Randall though, And I do believe Randall is easily manipulated and a real victim here. I can also see Mike as the more dominant personality, sure, just as he is with Sulley. But Sulley rolls his eyes and puts up with it, like a lot of good friends will do. Mike showed himself a loyal friend to Sulley and I just can't reconcile your judgement of the character with how he comes across to me personally.

[RandallBoggs]

I had the thought that Wazowski was plainly self-centered and ego-obsessive...then I got the psychological degree of him being a psychopath, and I understood him a little better. Considering he got the pan to the face that he won't ever be a Scarer (he's got the know how, but not the practicality) and got dream crushed, he got psychologically damaged, kind of like Randall is.
He's really to the degree that he lashes out with scathe comments (to Randall in the future) and self-obessive sayings (like the one in this trailer, which, by this point, Wazowski's sub-concious is probably admitting he doesn't have what it takes to be a scarer), because, probably of his self-hate that he couldn't make the cut.

So...at heart...Wazowski probably likes building himself up and aiming to be in a better position but.....he's going about it the wrong way.
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Wazowski...in the future...does take advantage of Sullivan. He's a...coattail. He lives his life as a Scarer THROUGH Sullivan.
I mean...when you build a good...oh...pfft...well round-a-bout quarter of your life aiming to be something and your told by everybody you CAN'T be it...and in the end they're proved RIGHT...it's going to cause damage. The two are friends through experience and time...Wazowski's loyal in the end, yeah, but he can be difficult.

Sullivan changed for the better, for the most part, from MU to MI. Randall and Wazowski....well...they leveled out. At least TILL closer to MI when things got a heck of a lot worse for Randall.

[pitbulllady]

Jun 17, 2013 18:13:05 GMT -5 RandallBoggs said:

I had the thought that Wazowski was plainly self-centered and ego-obsessive...then I got the psychological degree of him being a psychopath, and I understood him a little better. Considering he got the pan to the face that he won't ever be a Scarer (he's got the know how, but not the practicality) and got dream crushed, he got psychologically damaged, kind of like Randall is.
He's really to the degree that he lashes out with scathe comments (to Randall in the future) and self-obessive sayings (like the one in this trailer, which, by this point, Wazowski's sub-concious is probably admitting he doesn't have what it takes to be a scarer), because, probably of his self-hate that he couldn't make the cut.

So...at heart...Wazowski probably likes building himself up and aiming to be in a better position but.....he's going about it the wrong way.
==
Wazowski...in the future...does take advantage of Sullivan. He's a...coattail. He lives his life as a Scarer THROUGH Sullivan.
I mean...when you build a good...oh...pfft...well round-a-bout quarter of your life aiming to be something and your told by everybody you CAN'T be it...and in the end they're proved RIGHT...it's going to cause damage. The two are friends through experience and time...Wazowski's loyal in the end, yeah, but he can be difficult.

Sullivan changed for the better, for the most part, from MU to MI. Randall and Wazowski....well...they leveled out. At least TILL closer to MI when things got a heck of a lot worse for Randall.

I have to wonder just how "loyal" Mike would have been to Sulley had Sulley not turned out to be that great a Scarer once he got that position at MI, or if RANDALL had consistently beaten him, even. Mike might have started to re-think dumping his old roommate as a best "chum" after all.

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[RandallBoggs]

*shrugs* Wazowski is...difficult. For instance, take Randall's banishment. He shows no remorse, which fits with him psychologically. He's practically ignoring it, just like he's ignoring his inadequacy at being a Scarer by using Sullivan, riding his cottails.
It takes something strong to break that mental barrier (one that Wazowski probably put up himself and doesn't notice).

Of course, PBL, that thought would be influenced with the fact that it puts Wazowski in a situation where he'd admit he was WRONG about something...

[boggs22]

Does anyone else hear the accent change? Or is it just me... haha

[boggs22]

Does anyone else hear the accent change? Or is it just me... haha

[boggs22]

Sorry I didn't mean to post that twice, for some reason I can't delete the second one. Lol

[pitbulllady]

I hear it, so it's not just you, lol. Randall sounds almost "Chicago-esqe" here; reminds me more of Gary Sinise or of "Experiment 625" in the "Lilo and Stitch" tv series, you know, the one with the sandwich fetish? In MI, he actually had a bit more of a "twang" in his accent, more like someone from Indiana or southern Ohio, especially with the way he pronounced words ending with an "er" sound and with the way he pronounced the word "door", dragging it out into almost two syllables, like "DOH-errr". He also didn't talk as fast, but I can attribute that to exhaustion taking its toll on him. Here, he's excited about being at college and meeting new people and hopefully making friends, but also nervous, and people tend to talk faster than normal when they're nervous. He still gives off this very Midwestern "vibe" though, and in fact the whole movie does. With the exception of Mike, who's a Jersey Boy through and through, everyone pretty much sounds like they are from some part of the Midwest in this movie, and the scenery looks like part of Michigan or maybe Wisconsin. Since Dan Scanlon is a Michigander, I'm betting on the former.

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[boggs22]

Glad I'm not the only one... lol. And after you say it, his accent does remind me of Experiment 625. Randy does sound like he is speaking faster so maybe that's why it sounds different. If he wasn't as nervous the 'twang' would maybe sound more familiar because he would be able to drag it out.

[TheOnePistol]

This movie is going to kill me. lol