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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 23, 2009 12:44:51 GMT -5
If there is a Monsters Inc 2 it shall come out in 2013 a long wait, but better than not having one at all, maybe. I don't know...I was, for a long time, one of the most-vocal proponents of a Monsters, Inc. 2, but since Randall Boggs is my primary reason for even liking the first one, now I'm more skeptical about how the sequel will turn out. It's pretty much a done-deal that there WILL be a sequel, either in 2012 or 2013; we're just waiting for Pixar to make an official public announcement, but the cat is pretty much out of the bag already. Problem is, given some recent developments in the realm of Pixar-endorsed comics, it appears that IF Randall is in the sequel at all, it will be more of the same-old, same-old, "reptiles are evil so Randall is evil and must be destroyed" garbage. I would much rather have no sequel at all, than to have THAT again. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I could absolutely care less about Mike and Sulley and their wonderful, perfect lives, so if that's all the movie is about, that, and them beating up that mean evil old lizard guy again, I can think of a million other things better to spend my money on. I've kicked off a campaign on Deviant Art.com to try to convince enough of Randall's fans to write letters to Pixar and to Peter Docter in particular, as he is set to direct the sequel, also, telling that how much we want to see Randall given a second chance, a chance to redeem himself, rather than that Saturday morning kiddie toon garbage. I'd encourage every Randall fan to do the same. pitbulllady |
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Post by invaderbecky on Jul 23, 2009 12:59:25 GMT -5
You mean to help with the campaign? I would but my internet source blocks deviantart. Any other places to go to convince?I like all the characters, the sequel should have Waternoose be the main villian, he gave the orders to kill he was going to kill himself, as you know he used Randalls anger towards Sully against him, to make him appear the main bad guy. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Post by mentalguru on Jul 23, 2009 13:16:22 GMT -5
I'm worried about the sequal but NOT just about Randall either. As some here already know I am a Sulley fan, as well as having a large soft spot for Randall. (Hence why I'm here).
I don't know, but viewing a whole movie where Sulley really doesn't give a damn about what happens to Randall would drag him down for me in terms of potential character development. Sulley and Randall in a way both suffer in the first M.I movie from what I like to call 'W.P.S'- 'Wasted Potential Syndrome'- By which I mean in terms of both as individuals and their relationship to one another. Sulley showing he doesn't feel sorry at all, or is never shown to contemplate the actions he took that day... Well- It's as bad to me as Randall coming back as a cartoony villain. Both two characters with potential who never change, never grow, never learn.
That would be boring and depressing. I can't be alone on this. You can still like a character, see their potential, but not agree with everything they say or do. The only innocent person in the entire movie is Boo, and that's because she is TOO YOUNG to be judged on her own actions.
Sulley has potential, and I have my own pet theory as to why we didn't see any remorse in the first movie itself. Although in connections- it takes him a much longer time, in an actual SEQUAL I see him finding this out for himself alot quicker.
Basically Sulley deep down had a niggling doubt, perhaps he DID feel bad, but a part of him mis-interpretted such feelings as simply missing Boo.
After some time with Boo in his life something in the back of his mind grows. At first he is unsure as to what it really is.
Then he figures out why he still feels like... something is wrong. It's because of Randall. He feels guilty.
And then he decides to do something about it. (There- a potential Sulley centric story they probably want yet with copius amounts of potential for Randall)
Heck, if Pixar NEED a villain- make it the CDA. They probably were involved in the coverup in the first place.
Once again, I'm spoiling my own fic- but making the CDA as CEO's Sulley's own Waternoose would be... interesting.
A little dark perhaps but...
Still.
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Post by invaderbecky on Jul 23, 2009 13:35:42 GMT -5
That is very deep, and Sully does seem the type who would feel guilty of what happened with Randall and him. He did what he though seemed fair at the time, but wasn't. Your idea would make a good movie.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 23, 2009 18:29:34 GMT -5
Of course I'll be sure to procure once of these comics and run a description for it. Actually Pitbullady, it depends on IF they're going to portray THOSE two right as well. Sullivan HAS to feel guilty for what he did to Ran. I mean otherwise it's not really him. Wazowski they'll probably portray right though.
And if you want to see how blantant some portrayals for Ran in other material is less than savory Invader, just find out what postion they gave him in the Tokyo Disney parade...
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What internet source blocks...?
Of cousre if you have anything to say, I'm sure Pitbulllady or another deviatartist would post if for you.
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Seems you caught the bit about Sullivan as well as I did.
Of course, this leads off to a good development for Sullivan. I...actually HAVE done this in one of my fanfics *looks at Guru* That portrays Sullivan in his position as CEO, and what he had to deal with in the role. Have to say, some of my best work. Had a bit of a muse then. Anyway, I can at least give away that Sullivan gruginly uses something of Randall's to further Monsters Inc. production, but in actuality doesn't take credit, when he presents it, for it, instead stating it was actully Randall's (who is still missing at the time).
As for the C.D.A. there IS something there as well...I can tell you that.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 23, 2009 20:20:32 GMT -5
I'm worried about the sequal but NOT just about Randall either. As some here already know I am a Sulley fan, as well as having a large soft spot for Randall. (Hence why I'm here). I don't know, but viewing a whole movie where Sulley really doesn't give a damn about what happens to Randall would drag him down for me in terms of potential character development. Sulley and Randall in a way both suffer in the first M.I movie from what I like to call 'W.P.S'- 'Wasted Potential Syndrome'- By which I mean in terms of both as individuals and their relationship to one another. Sulley showing he doesn't feel sorry at all, or is never shown to contemplate the actions he took that day... Well- It's as bad to me as Randall coming back as a cartoony villain. Both two characters with potential who never change, never grow, never learn. That would be boring and depressing. I can't be alone on this. You can still like a character, see their potential, but not agree with everything they say or do. The only innocent person in the entire movie is Boo, and that's because she is TOO YOUNG to be judged on her own actions. Sulley has potential, and I have my own pet theory as to why we didn't see any remorse in the first movie itself. Although in connections- it takes him a much longer time, in an actual SEQUAL I see him finding this out for himself alot quicker. Basically Sulley deep down had a niggling doubt, perhaps he DID feel bad, but a part of him mis-interpretted such feelings as simply missing Boo. After some time with Boo in his life something in the back of his mind grows. At first he is unsure as to what it really is. Then he figures out why he still feels like... something is wrong. It's because of Randall. He feels guilty. And then he decides to do something about it. (There- a potential Sulley centric story they probably want yet with copius amounts of potential for Randall) Heck, if Pixar NEED a villain- make it the CDA. They probably were involved in the coverup in the first place. Once again, I'm spoiling my own fic- but making the CDA as CEO's Sulley's own Waternoose would be... interesting. A little dark perhaps but... Still. I'm totally with you, Mentalguru. IF the sequel is nothing more than the Happy Adventures of Mike and Sulley, and neither of them so much as voice any concern over what they did to Randall, then it really does drag both of them- and Sulley in particular since I've always felt that he was of better moral character than Mike in the first place-down as low as Randall ever went. BOTH Randall and Sulley made some stupid mistakes, fueled by anger and done without really thinking, and both were victimized by Waternoose. In a way, Sulley probably was MORE of a victim of Waternoose's deception than Randall was, since Randall probably had learned, long before the actual movie's events, that Waternoose was an extremely dangerous individual who gave no thought to using others and discarding them like a dirty paper plate, while Sulley was still under the impression that he was a kind, fatherly, caring type, and looked to him as he would his own father(he actually says this, you know). Sulley would have been the one most hurt by Waternoose's deception and betrayal, and it pains me to think that even though Waternoose did a terribly wrong thing, that Sulley would feel no remorse afterward for turning someone he'd come to love as a father over to authorities, just as it would that he'd never think once about what he did to Randall. It certainly does not make Sulley a strong or admirable individual if that turned out to really be the case, and I can see that for someone who is a real fan of his, yet also understands the moral/ethical implications of what he did, that would be a really horrible way to conclude this story. pitbulllady |
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Post by mentalguru on Jul 24, 2009 3:45:53 GMT -5
RandallBoggs:Have you got your fic up anywhere? I'd like to read it  . -- Pitbulllady: Yeah, I mean come on. I think Sulley would eventually feel bad, or at least realise that it was the wrong thing to do. I think there was something regarding Waternoose... he did seem hurt by his words when he was dragged off. The guy still had an effect on him, and he still felt betrayed. I did, ages ago once write a one shot AU where Boo was closer to 12 than 2 (ignoring the whole plot holes and complications that would come with that... XD). Boo manages to talk Sulley out of banishing Randall... Ahem. But I did have Boo, Sulley and Mike walking back (slowly, what with a captive -Randall- being held by Sulley, all of them passing by all the doors on foot). Boo is at odds with herself as they walk because of Randall- knowing what she deep down wants (revenge) but also knowing what they should do are both completely at odds with one another. And she's a good kid. So this irritates her. Alot. Sulley went a little off the deep end- as in slam-Randall-into-a-wall-and-yell-at-him-in-the-face kind of way. Better than the banishment but it freaked Boo and Mike out a fair bit to see Sulley like that. And Waternoose's betrayal did come up in his tirade. The father-son bond as it were and how betrayed he felt. You get my drift. I was actually one of the people who wanted a sequel but now... I'm not so sure. I mean what if they mess it up?! If Randall comes back for revenge and decides to take it out on BOO or If Sulley banishes Randall AGAIN or something even worse. Damn it. That would be awful. |
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Post by mentalguru on Jul 24, 2009 6:12:04 GMT -5
I'd just like to just say some things about how I view the CDA.
The concept of this organisation, when you look more closely at it are rather disturbing. A major problem people have with Randall, is not so much really that he tried to kill Sulley and Mike (though that is one point), its more to do with BOO, as I think pitbulllady already mentioned. Thing is, the monsters generally don't consider humans as sentient- and a KID is like a walking biological weapon to them.
The CDA also KNEW what Randall was DOING. They were willing to let Boo be captured and used as a guinea pig. Why didn't they stop him before? It's a question that is never answered. Did they need more evidence? Did Roz lie when she inferred that they although unaware of Waternoose's involvement, were completely aware of Randall's for a long time?
Or perhaps, in the end they didn't care about the kid. Which seems likely. Yet we hardly see Randall haters who even come to this conclusion.
Regarding Randall's banishment. Well this is how I see it. They might view Randall's banishment as... somewhat disappointing. And annoying, because they in the end decide to cover it up.
Why?
Well there is an energy crisis. And whereas the disappearance of the 2nd top scarer could be badly taken, if they also arrest the TOP one, people might talk. Even though Sulley DID do it, many might refuse to believe it (since he seems too nice of a guy) and perhaps dig further into the CDAs past.
Perhaps the CDA has many skeletons in their closet.
The CDA probably started out with a good aim, but became obsessed with the concept of 'The Greater Good' (a la Harry Potter). What they think will benefit the majority even if individuals get lost along the way. 'Expendable losses' as it were.
The thing is, that is of course is a slippery slope. Who is chosen as expendable? No-one is really safe in such a society.
Randall in the end, although perhaps a disappointment in terms of what happened, was viewed as an 'acceptable loss'. So is Boo.
The CDA doesn't hate Randall, they just really don't care about him. The fact that Sulley preformed an illegal banishment is nothing more than an extremely annoying thing to cover up. (BURN the paperwork!)
They dangle the carrot of a CEO position in Sulley's face perhaps. Just like Waternoose dangled one or two in front of Randall (You'll solve the energy crisis! You'll be successful!)
Eventually though, if Sulley does indeed try and get Randall back, the CDA could very well decide to show him a stick like Waternoose evidently did in the movie to Randall.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 24, 2009 19:51:36 GMT -5
Actually it's on here in the Fanfiction Section titled "Intial Drip". However...it hasn't gotten fully into Sullivan's section yet (the story hasn't actually "begun" yet. I've made it so we see smaller bits before the actual story. The first is Kevin's, one of the many students in a scarer academy that was affected by the transition of scream to laughter, then Sullivan's grief and realization of his current role, then others in an order I've forgotten. It's my latest work in the genre and I'm quite proud how some of it turned out.
Though, Mentalguru, if you want sneak peaks at chapters not yet on the board I can sent some.
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And that's because that's who he is. And that is one thing that makes him drastically different from Wazowski. I mean, and I do that myself, the better fanfic writers notice this differance and uses it to show how different the two are and that they would actually follow different paths in life.
Of course, one would imagine how Sullivan's parents might take this news. His father, probably, had been in the scareing business, probably retired now and living well, would be a bit shocked at this. *taps lips*...You know...what would be kind of twisted...is if Sullivan's father is actually SUPPORTIVE of Waternoose and actually doesn't believe what his own son tells him.
That it would. And you know, if it comes out wrong we CAN argue the facts. Sullivan HAS to have SOME guilt for his actions, Wazowski HAS to show he's at least TRYING to be responsible in having a relationship with Celia, and Randall HAS to get a turnaround. I mean if they DON'T do these things, then it's not the sequel, as it's not true and faithful.
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I'll have to tell you about the C.D.A. someday...
As with any organization dealing with justice or the law, there are always two halves. The ones who ACTUALLY want to protect the people, and those who have it in in the interest of themselves or to another organization (or more simply, a form of "dirty cops).
I actually, in the story I mention Mentalguru, there's a small meeting between Roz and a high ranking Scare employee that shows a deeper story then we were originally shown.
Of course, remember...that the C.D.A. didn't PUBLICLY know Monsters Inc. had anything to do with a child outside till the bag that Sullivan left in the resturant. Though, Roz has said that she has been investigating for 2 years. But she didn't neccessarily saying those two years were spent in investigating Waternoose, or Randall, particularly, or exactly what they were really investigating. Coming across what happened would have been dumb luck on their part, supplied by Sullivan.
Hm hm. Perhaps that's why they let Sullivan off the hook. Would be quite an embarassment for the better part of the C.D.A. to be unaware of illegal activites till the end.
*laughs extensively* Tah...TAHAHAHAHA ^0^ ^0^ Oh oh...heh...sorry dearie...hm hm...but it's...it's ironic you see...I've followed the Harry Potter films till the most recent one, and picked up a hardback copy of Deathly Hallows, but never read it until after I saw the last film. And I know the Greater Good line...ironic that you use that.
Of course...some of the C.D.A. would see Randall's return in a more negative aspect...afterall...he would know things that, if public, and if he had thought on them in his time alone with his own thoughts, would be very dangerous...
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