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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 29, 2010 14:36:54 GMT -5
No, I'm not referring to hypothetical monsters who might or might not have been friends with Randall before all the mess with the Scream Extractor started.
I'm referrring to people who call themselves "fans" of Randall, yet they refuse to stick up for him when the haters come around. They will happily talk about how he was being used, mistreated, got an unfair punishment, etc. when they are among other fans-what we refer to as "preaching to the choir", but whenever someone shows up who thinks that Randall is pure evil, that he was just the most horrible individual who got what he deserved and probably should have gotten worse, that he is the most vile scum-bag ever to show up in a movie, those folks run and hide. They don't stand up for the guy at all!
Come on folks, we are fans of a character who is controversial and is a lightning rod for hate. We know that much. Now, if Randall were real, if he was YOUR friend, and someone started in ragging on YOU, saying horrible things that weren't true, or if YOU found yourself in some sort of trouble through no real fault of your own, do you think he'd just walk away and leave you? Would he just abandon you to take the heat, or do you think he'd stand up for YOU and defend you? If he left you to deal with your haters on your own, he wouldn't be much of a friend, now would he? I guess that would mean that the Randall haters were right about him all along, and we were wrong.
Like I said, we are fans of a character who attracts a lot of negative attention simply by LOOKING the way he does, so we know that by default that means having to defend him and not backing down or looking the other way. We can 't be like "fans" of sports teams who only like a certain team or a certain athlete when they are winning and then pretend they don't exist anymore when they hit a loosing streak and people start to talk smack about them. I pulled for the New Orleans Saints for years, even when they had seasons where they hardly won a game, and everyone laughed at them and called them the "New Orleans AIN'TS" and criticized ME for pulling for such a bunch of losers, and now look what has happened-they are the current Super Bowl champs! I'm still sticking by Tony Stewart even though he hasn't won a NASCAR race all season and is barely even in the Top 12 contenders for the final points chase. If you're a real fan, you gotta show it, and that means showing it to the people who disagree with you, too. If that means you have to get your hands a little dirty, so be it. I'm sure Randall would do the same for YOU, if he considered you his friend.
OK, I'm off of my soapbox now.
pitbulllady
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Post by randomdrifter on Jun 29, 2010 17:31:46 GMT -5
I have to ask, what made you want to address this topic, PBL?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 29, 2010 18:09:11 GMT -5
Five bucks for the "most controversal things in Pixar movies" over at Pixar Planet ^_^
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Post by randomdrifter on Jun 29, 2010 18:42:11 GMT -5
Yeah... a little lost. I hardly visit other boards, so I don't know how that one goes.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 29, 2010 18:52:26 GMT -5
Oh the same old about Ran certainly getting what he deserved blah-blah. Currently I'm trying to be the olive branch there. But regardless, I understand the circumstances. To the point its "easy" to defend the "likeable chap".
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Post by randomdrifter on Jun 29, 2010 19:21:46 GMT -5
Is that still going on or is it a dead thread? If you can, RD, do you think you can link me to it if people are still actively posting? (To avoid reviving it if the thread is completely old and useless)
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 29, 2010 19:25:28 GMT -5
Well...it's sorta new but...trying to ease the tension. The topic, this topic, appears up when Randall being the villain comes up so if we stay on it too long only going to make us look........negative.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 29, 2010 19:34:17 GMT -5
I have to ask, what made you want to address this topic, PBL? Nope, it's not even Pixar Planet, but DA, or rather, some deviations on DA by people who say that they are "Randall fans" and go on about how they love him, etc., but whenever the inevitable haters show up and start in on how the Scream Extractor was Randall's idea, that HE got WATERNOOSE to go along with HIS plan, that he just hated Sulley for no reason at all, that he was pure evil and anyone who defends him is evil and screwed up, all the crap that the haters usually go on about, I[/b] am the only person who will stick up for him! The others don't want to get involved, are scared of making the haters angry, don't want to start a fight, etc. They just let the haters go on about how horrible Randall is ON THEIR PAGE and don't say anything in his defense. It makes it seem as though I'm the only Randall fan there, although when the haters aren't around, all the others are all like, "ohh, he's so wonderful", and "my, my what gorgeous eyes he has" and "he's so misunderstood" and what-not, going on about how much they like him, love him, admire him, think it's horrible what happened to him, etc. Like I said, it's preaching to the choir when you are only willing to tell OTHER FANS how you feel and why. That is the definition of a "fair-weather friend"-someone who only sticks by you when things are going great, but as soon as things get a little bumpy or someone challenges you, they take off and head for the hills. One of the biggest obstacles that we face in getting Pixar to take a second look at redeeming Randall, folks, is to convince them that the guy HAS enough real fans to make it worth their while to do so, that they won't be alienating more Pixar fans by showing his good side than they'll be making happy by doing so. Even though they claim that they aren't allowed to look at sites like DA or FF.net, do you honestly believe that they stay away completely? That they do not monitor sites across the internet to gauge what fans might want to see? I don't, not for one second. We have to show them that we are serious, AND that there's more of us than just me out there. We have to represent, as my current Principal says. When you happen to like something or someone that is controversial, whether it's Randall, or Pit Bulls, or snakes, or whatever, you have to be prepared to take a stand and defend it, because things aren't always going to be all rosy. When you DON'T, that is the same as admitting that you are wrong and the haters are right. pitbulllady
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Post by randomdrifter on Jun 29, 2010 21:47:29 GMT -5
Nope, it's not even Pixar Planet, but DA, or rather, some deviations on DA by people who say that they are "Randall fans" and go on about how they love him, etc., but whenever the inevitable haters show up and start in on how the Scream Extractor was Randall's idea, that HE got WATERNOOSE to go along with HIS plan, that he just hated Sulley for no reason at all, that he was pure evil and anyone who defends him is evil and screwed up, all the crap that the haters usually go on about, I[/b] am the only person who will stick up for him! The others don't want to get involved, are scared of making the haters angry, don't want to start a fight, etc. They just let the haters go on about how horrible Randall is ON THEIR PAGE and don't say anything in his defense. It makes it seem as though I'm the only Randall fan there, although when the haters aren't around, all the others are all like, "ohh, he's so wonderful", and "my, my what gorgeous eyes he has" and "he's so misunderstood" and what-not, going on about how much they like him, love him, admire him, think it's horrible what happened to him, etc. Like I said, it's preaching to the choir when you are only willing to tell OTHER FANS how you feel and why. That is the definition of a "fair-weather friend"-someone who only sticks by you when things are going great, but as soon as things get a little bumpy or someone challenges you, they take off and head for the hills. One of the biggest obstacles that we face in getting Pixar to take a second look at redeeming Randall, folks, is to convince them that the guy HAS enough real fans to make it worth their while to do so, that they won't be alienating more Pixar fans by showing his good side than they'll be making happy by doing so. Even though they claim that they aren't allowed to look at sites like DA or FF.net, do you honestly believe that they stay away completely? That they do not monitor sites across the internet to gauge what fans might want to see? I don't, not for one second. We have to show them that we are serious, AND that there's more of us than just me out there. We have to represent, as my current Principal says. When you happen to like something or someone that is controversial, whether it's Randall, or Pit Bulls, or snakes, or whatever, you have to be prepared to take a stand and defend it, because things aren't always going to be all rosy. When you DON'T, that is the same as admitting that you are wrong and the haters are right. pitbulllady[/quote] The thing about the internet, especially with sites such as DA, is that the majority of users are teens who aren't really willing to devote much time to debate online about anything, especially a fandom that they're really not interested in. They would probably join a forum such as this one if they really were interested in discussing Randall. One statement or a comment on Deviant Art doesn't necessarily, from my point of view at least, justify being a "fan" of anything, so I would advise not to take them too seriously. There hardly seem to be any "hardcore" Randall fans that will root for his side and defend him like a rabid pack of die-hard sports fans would for their team. I exaggerated, but you get the idea... It takes time, effort, and some genuine devotion to be willing to defend anything. I know for a fact that *I* don't have the time, nor am I willing to make any, to join Deviant Art so that I can debate with 16 and 17 year olds, whose cognitive functioning isn't fully developed at that stage, and who base their opinions on fairly limited experiences. It goes for both sides, the ones who praise Randall (have you noticed their comments are VERY superficial?) and the ones who condemn him (again, superficial). Trying to argue with adults can be even worse if they're narrow-minded, stubborn, and unwilling to modify some current beliefs or to accept different viewpoints. As for rallying up the troops, I'll be honest and say that I'm not willing to set time aside to participate in any of these pro-Randall movements--at least not anytime soon. Please keep in mind that this forum, and my liking for Randall, is a very tiny fraction of the chaos and anxiety-producing circumstances that are grad school and a job. I've never been very active in online campaigns, forums, blogs, etc., so I am letting you know now that I won't be a very active participant in online debates to defend anyone or anything, unless they are purely recreational threads and fun to go crazy with, because I like to take a breather every once in a while.
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Post by Veg on Jun 29, 2010 22:42:15 GMT -5
I don't get into debates because I have other stuff to do that doesn't include debating about the motives of a fictional character. If they dislike him, then that's their opinion. Even if he did turn out to be the antagonist in the new Monsters Inc sequel, I am still willing to go see it and I'll still be a Pixar fan. Seriously, it's not the end of the world.
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Post by mistica0christina on Jun 29, 2010 23:02:31 GMT -5
I hate to say it but unless these negative comments are made upon my art, I actually don't know they are happening, I really don't do too much DA surfing like I did before I joined and when I do, I rarely see these comments...besides, considering the craziness that I went through before I joined here, I've learned my lesson and prefer to pick my battles better in the future.
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Post by randomdrifter on Jun 30, 2010 1:59:33 GMT -5
I'm not brushing off PBL or attempting to belittle what she feels very strongly about, and this could be anything not necessarily Randall-related, but I just find it increasingly difficult to get worked up about comments or thought patterns that we've seen time and time again, and it's even of less concern when it's on a site like DA, where trolls roam the lands free and hardly add any validity, or coherence for that matter, to their statements. DA users' spelling and grammar errors are more atrocious than anything else they will ever manage to type, so I feel more inclined to nit-pick and edit out a poorly written comment than to debate a sentence that had very little content, aside from "evil" and "Randall".
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Post by Veg on Jun 30, 2010 12:07:15 GMT -5
^ True.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 30, 2010 14:11:29 GMT -5
I'm not brushing off PBL or attempting to belittle what she feels very strongly about, and this could be anything not necessarily Randall-related, but I just find it increasingly difficult to get worked up about comments or thought patterns that we've seen time and time again, and it's even of less concern when it's on a site like DA, where trolls roam the lands free and hardly add any validity, or coherence for that matter, to their statements. DA users' spelling and grammar errors are more atrocious than anything else they will ever manage to type, so I feel more inclined to nit-pick and edit out a poorly written comment than to debate a sentence that had very little content, aside from "evil" and "Randall". No, I'm not referring to the shallow, two-or-three word "sentences" that simply go, "he's evil" or "he's mean", but the more elaborate arguements that Randall was behind the entire Scream Extractor plot, that he "forced" WATERNOOSE to go along with HIM, that he intended to hurt little children all along, that he always hated Sulley and Mike and was using any means possible to defeat and destroy them, all that. I'm referring to those who try to defend their position that he was evil and needed to be killed or punished in the most severe way possible, and who maintain that Sulley and Mike WERE great heroes and completely justified in what they did to Randall. That is when logic is required, evidence needs to be put on the table, and surely I'm not the only one who has it. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 30, 2010 18:22:46 GMT -5
*folds arms* What Pitbulllady is getting at here is the understandable frustration that some of us deal with when coming face to face with people who deny any slivers of actual evidence and even understandable circumstances without even a slight tip from their perch. Evidently it CAN get frustrating when the opposition doesn't make the effort to understand, instead simply to fall back on thinking theirs is absolute or the tried "it's just a film" line.
It's gone on since the film came out. *shrugs* Not like it can't get annoying after a long while.
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