Randall's "Fair-Weather Friends"

[Veg]

If they are unwilling to make an effort to understand then why waste your time trying to make them?

[RandallBoggs]

*shrugs* Oh the paradox *chuckles* Who knows. Personally I wouldn't bother with them. Reaching an understanding should be more the goal, not trying to force out a win.

[mistica0christina]

Look, I'm not saying that trying to talk to them in order to see another perspective isn't a good thing but if you're not too careful, it can lead to trouble. I just receantly dealt with a dumb@$$ on Youtube who decided to attack me just for saying something nice to a user that he hates the guts out of...the only reason why this jerk isn't harrassing me more is because I blocked all of his channels and didn't reply back!

[RandallBoggs]

*shrugs* That's humans for ya. Get them to do something they don't want to do and they act like a child in the primal sense.

[mistica0christina]

Jun 30, 2010 18:56:35 GMT -5 RandallBoggs said:

*shrugs* That's humans for ya. Get them to do something they don't want to do and they act like a child in the primal sense.

For acting like a child, he sure had one colorful bit of vocabulary. Still, if other people do want to speak up, that's fine but I think we do need to remember that there is a wrong way and a right way to it. Like I learned before, take the wrong approach and it can backfire in your face.

[RandallBoggs]

You should see that commercial in the Chipokomon episode of South Park. Kids gone wild (and yeah it was live-action bit).
*nods* True words there.

[mistica0christina]

Maybe some other time...right now considering the mess with Coppercab, I'm really not in the mood for South park really.

[mistica0christina]

Aug 5, 2010 22:51:37 GMT -5 Leopardstream said:

Atlas, i'm here to be a savior, PBL.
On a youtube video using my bro's (Bluekirby22) i commented on “My favorite scene from Monsters Inc” I EXPLODED on these Randall haters. Just look at the video comments by bluekirby22 that have:

Pikakirby101 here, using my bro's account cuz i cant get to mine
at the begging of the comment.
*takes a bow* the most i could get to smacking the fools in between their eyes.
Also, you'll see other ran-fans cherring him on, and not doing what others might do.

"I'm here to be a savior?"
Oh my f*cking god! You can't be f*cking serious are you?

Okay, chick, I kept my mouth shut for the while but clearly you need to learn something. First thing is first, looked up your comments....wow, how disappointing! You say nothing of the vid in question besides immediately doing the whole "Randall's not evil" kind of crap! Look, I don't see him as evil but here are the facts, chick, he IS categorized as a villian, that is the role that he was given by his creators, by Pixar, the same damn company that brought him to life upon the big screen and also, you apparantely can't take a hit. The person who chooses to argue with you, all you tell him is "Tell SgtYayap that, not me." I won't be surprised that due to your little stunt, he may end up dealing with internet trolls and trust me, trolls on Youtube are f*cking viscious, some of them will go so far as to get multiple accounts just to hassle you!

You know I would have considered what you were doing...as f*cking TROLLING! Do you honestly see yourself as some kind of form of freaking christ just because you decided to talk sh*t on a vid that if clearly you didn't like, you could have easily did the following and kept your big f*cking mouth SHUT and not look at it!

All your "trolling" is achieving is giving people the stereotypical impression that ALL Randall fans are obsessive fangirls who would sleep with the character if given the chance! Like I said, there's a wrong way and a right way to do this and clearly, you don't know the f*cking difference!

Along with that, you are using your brother's account, even if you say "Oh I'm so and so using so and so's account here", all this will do is probably encourage trolls to troll your brother because YOU were using his account! It's clearly irresponsible and immature! My advice: THINK before you post!

[sgtyayap]

Aug 6, 2010 9:26:52 GMT -5 @mistica0christina said:

The person who chooses to argue with you, all you tell him is "Tell SgtYayap that, not me." I won't be surprised that due to your little stunt, he may end up dealing with internet trolls and trust me, trolls on Youtube are f*cking viscious, some of them will go so far as to get multiple accounts just to hassle you!

While I won't address the heating up, did you really do that, 200Purplecats? If, so, I'd appreciate it if you delete that comment, keeping in mind Mistica's concern for me getting trolls.

[Leopardstream]

all right.*hangs head in shame* i hate getting yelled at.

[Leopardstream]

besides that was around midnight, and when i posted the comments it was in the morning, when i first woke up.

[mentalguru]

Yeah I have to admit, that probably wasn't the best idea from what I hear dude (though I don't what you said exactly), I don't mind saying that I disagree with their interpretation with Randall if they call him pure evil and that his exile was the right way to go but delibrately insulting people wouldn't be the right way to go but if you call people 'stupid' or infer they are for not getting it immediately its not going to win anyone. Plus it's not really all that true to begin with.

People can be smart and disagree with us having perhaps not thought it out as much (being more casual fans) or come to the movie from a completely different position. I think more or less the mistake such people make is that while Sulley's desire for revenge is UNDERSTANDABLE it doesn't make it right of him to do it. Empathy does not mean 100% approval. And Randall fans sometimes should make this clear too because honestly I think people might think that. EMPATHSISING with Randall isn't the same as wanting him to 'win' as it were- you know test the scream extractor on Boo, kill Mike and Sulley etc. I approached the movie at first from SULLEY'S perspective alone and it was after a while that I thought more on Randall's. People have approached this movie in different ways. Just because people don't automatically agree with your position doesn't make them stupid. Randall's possibilities are not necessarily 'obvious' and people are not 'blind' if they just don't get it immediately. After all a major point in the story seems to be that its impossible for everyone to know everything. It's an unfortunate thing you happen in real life and in fiction- the person who doesn't automatically agree is shunned (or shockingly asks for evidence or why that opinion is held which is actually a reasonable question in a lot of cases). But just because someone doesn't immediately see Randall as redeemable doesn't make them stupid.

Also saying that Randall isn't pure evil doesn't automatically mean that person is SMART either.

People can be not all that smart and simply swallow the opinions they see without thinking it out for themselves. This is annoying even if I tend to agree with the opinion presented. Opinions, books and other forms can be good SPRINGBOARDS for ideas but it doesn't mean it's an excuse not to think for yourself. It should be less "I subscribe to X without thinking it through and shall spread the word!" And more "X is interesting and also I was thinking: A, B and C" or alternatively. "X is a good point but what about D, E and F?"

Also; personal attacks against people in a debate just make your argument looks like it hasn't a leg to stand on.

In the internet sometimes tempers do get frayed especially in fandoms etc. I've let it happen to me before for sure. Also seen it in other people.

I kind of agree that rd has a point earlier about at times most of what said about Randall can be pretty superficial for instance in terms of the positives and negative things said about him on DA. It seems to happen a lot. Granted I guess that is what happens when you're the character who literally does have the most fangirls in the movie. Some of them are just falling for the voice or... something else sometimes.

And while I dislike the Tropes page in general is Randall ever Draco in Leatherpants'd? Yes. Definitly. But he's also made out to be totally evil too. Either version is annoying in any case because (I've said this before) because it makes me wonder where Randall is and who this person who looks and yet doesn't really act like him at all is. But I tned to let it go more in the 'Draco' sense. But perhaps I shouldn't let that part slide? After all, both forms are dishonest. And while OOCness is subjective and I've done it too (Randall crying? I mean I know he was sick and all and I've seen tough boots do it before but I'm thinking that was a bad scene now) and had it pointed out (I do intend to change that at some point, looking back it was a bad move). But of course was again I'm talking more on extremes. Sharkluvr on DA seems to keep Randall pretty close to his character and it seems like something possible which could maybe happen and her pictures of Randall and little Boo are adorable.

Being fully aware of how people usually view a group (OTT fangirls) you belong to can be a service and you can use it to your advantage and make it clear that while you are aware of what happens to Randall in fandom sometimes that you don't agree with it. Because I'm pretty sure when people see someone defending him they DO associate it with that kind of behaviour. Pure defence of Randall isn't all that needs to be said, acknowledgement he's an imperfect being is like a lot of people. That while his actions are something I personally disagree with strongly it's still pretty understandable why he did them, how a lot of people could be tempted to do the same thing etc.

I've been aggresive before in fandoms but that's more or less me losing my temper over it on the odd occasion (a combination to things irl and other fandom angers), and I've decided that isn't really the right way to go about it. I just get annoyed but I have apologised in places I have. Also:

It doesn't tend to work. At all. People just brush it off. And a bad or far too aggressive argument in a fandom talk does more damage than a good offence in regards your own position.

Plus sometimes you can even wonder if its worth your time if the person IS acting a little less like an intellectual or not than open to new ideas. If I see it happen on my own page I will defend my position though. But I don't get much activity on there anyway.

But I CAN understand after a while it can get frustrating and why people can get angry about it or can decide for their own sanity to stay out of it sometimes because it's utterly frustrating to even look at it. A part of me never wants to see an Evolution Vs Creationism internet debate AGAIN because every two pages or so you get someone who doesn't have a clue what the definition of a scientific theory is on the creationist side throwing in "It's just a theory!"

And usually these people are much younger than I am or even a version of what I used to be at their age so I really shouldn't get angry at them. Instead I should probably copy and paste the definition of a scientific theory and move or point out the ineveitably probably already existing earlier post with the definition from someone else.

Though of course after seeing it for the 100th time it would easy for anyone toforget that for them it's a brand new idea that they think is quite clever instead of a very common and silly mistake I've seen before and a lot of other people have seen a million times before.

But yeah TL; DR: I'd delete it if I were you purplecats if you think it was aggressive I wouldn't want Sg getting trolls.

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Edit: Ah you posted while I was typing. While I feel M was pretty harsh she did have some valid points to make really about it. Hopefully it's not something to worry over and if you delete it, it should be fine.

[ivyandbro]

It sucks, but what can we do? There will be fans who would hide, fans who happen to be lurkers. I used to BE a forum-lurker, jumping from one thread to another.
Of course, it got boring at the end, and eventually I decided to post, and it seemed fun.
There might be some people who 'seem like shallow, fair-weathered fans, but then, they might have been lurkers in the past, and now they are trying to post stuff.
Other types though, those who obviously avoid these topics, might have a reason too. I am not defending these people but then, what if these people happen to be pacifists? Other stuff like that. There are stuff that we have to consider.

I know what it's like to belong to a fandom and see the other self-proclaimed fans spread the love among those similar, but hide at the sight of a hater.
I know how much that sucks.
But seriously, there are things we have to consider.

Since I'm now more of an active forum-poster, ignoring these kinds of topics is like a sin to me. After all I do have to show these types that Randall isn't THAT bad, he had his reasons for his actions and whatnot.

Being members of BB.com, we probably know how great Randall is. It would be a shame to just hide from the haters. In a way, I do agree with Pitbulllady, but then we still have to consider what kind of fans these people are.

Preaching to the choir is annoying, whenever ad wherever >:

[ivyandbro]

oh god I am so sorry, did I ressurect a dead thread? So sorry ):

[mintygreen]

I haven't come across any Randall haters personally so far although of course they must be out there....but anyway, fact is I think some people just ignore the haters because on the internet there is such a thing as people who try to troll people for fun, to get a reaction. Some people thrive off this kind of thing and it's best to just ignore them if you want them to go away.

I do agree with defending someone and I stick up for my friends but I've realized over the years that there are some people who are just trolls on the internet and the only way to get them to back off is just to ignore them since they like any kind of reaction.

I'm not sure if any of these haters were just trolls or not since I have no experience with any Randall haters so far.