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Post by pitbulllady on Apr 23, 2010 20:23:33 GMT -5
James Earl Jones....huh...sounds more like Waternoose's FATHER to me...*chuckles* But still wouldn't that be like a kick in the butt to the one guy who VA before? I mean he did a great job, his last job....and oh I dunno *shrugs* Yes, the late Mr. Coburn did do a great job, BUT...IF Pixar chooses to go with the "Randall and Mr. Waternoose Try to Get Revenge On Our Heroes" or even just the "Randall Tries To Get Revenge On Our Heroes" scenario, this means that they have chosen to take the lowest road possible. They've hit rock bottom. If they're going to stoop THAT low, why balk at hiring another actor to fill Mr. Coburn's shoes? Why hesitate to "be like a kick in the butt to the one guy who VA'd him before"? There's no law against it, nor are there even any "unwritten" laws or precedents. Many studios have done this, hire a different actor, even in live-action films, to portray a character whose first actor has passed away. I'd like to think that Pixar is above that, but if they have no qualms against kicking all of US in the butt, as it were, what ethics are there to stop them from doing the same to some dead guy who can't complain? pitbulllady
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Post by mentalguru on Apr 24, 2010 2:22:51 GMT -5
Using a new VA is disrespectful? Never heard that one before. Granted in Avatar: TLA they used a new voice actor- because they HAD to, the story wasn't finished when the other died (though they had Iroh, the character in questionbe silent and not talk to Zuko for a long time, but that was arguably perhaps part of the plot, he wasn't talking because he couldn't face his nephew who had dropped so far from what he should be). Of course that may be different- the series wasn't finished after all. This sequel was optional for them.
Getting a new VA isn't disrespectful if the character is desperately still needed (and especially needed to speak).
The thing is what is Waternoose needed for? Is he really needed? Honestly though I could see it being pretty powerful if they had him silent for most (but not all the movie) in terms of a potential storyline. Though depends on how they use him.
Granted I'd like to see the human world involved in some respects, and Boo's parents (!) and the possibly controversy Sulley might face because of the latter too. And CDA antagonists. Or at the very least the incredibly dark semi-protaganists being shown.
Plus, I'm guessing the old VA was attached to the role. He probably wouldn't want Waternoose protrayed OOC either. A new VA wouldn't have the same attachment.
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Post by Bampot on Apr 24, 2010 9:27:44 GMT -5
I don't really think using a new voice actor/actor because the original passed is disrespectful at all. It's just something that's needed. Take the Harry Potter movies, for instance. Richard Harris, who originally played Dumbledore and portrayed the character wonderfully, died after the second film. Ol' Albus is a key character and cutting out the story would have been impossible. Some characters are vital to the plot and can't be cast aside.
Now, the question is, as mentalguru said, if Waternoose is really all that vital of character. Of course, someone could say the same for Randall and many do. Essentially, Mike and Sully are only the needed characters for this sequel.
I'm hoping for some human world interaction as well. Especially Boo, preferably and older Boo. Do you think they'll keep an actually timeline? That would make Boo, what, 14? We also know very little about her family. Well, we really don't know much about the family or past of any of the characters. I think that would be interesting thing to cover for any of them.
What if Randall goes to get revenge on Waternoose for getting him in such a situation? I mean, it's somewhat likely. After 11 years of thinking on it and such. Randall obviously didn't have that strong of feelings for the old man in the first place. He was offered a job by the creep and it ended up getting him exiled. I'm not sure if anyone would come back with feelings of "Hey, lets team up again." rather than "Look at this mess you got me into!" Put in his actual feelings about Waternoose and his favoritism of Sully...
I'm just tossing around ideas. Now that it's confirmed I have tons of ideas running around in my head.
Also, I'm glad to see that Mary Gibbs was cast again. I was afraid she would of gotten pushed aside.
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Post by mistica0christina on Apr 24, 2010 9:38:36 GMT -5
So this is actually a confirmation, no rumors, no supossed fake gossip, the real deal this time, we're talking credible sources so that even I can believe that this sequel is happening considering that all the past sources for me, personally I didn't take seriously considering that past sources weren't announcements from Disney or even Pixar at the very least. If they decided to can Newt which judging from what I heard that the story for that film was and I probably wouldn't have seen anyway, it's probably because something about it just wasn't working. Changing the title for "Bear and the bow", smart move. Overall, so this sequel is happening....well all I can say is that I'll just wait and see until they give details to what the story is about before I make my judgement.
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Post by V on Apr 24, 2010 9:40:41 GMT -5
It IS true. I checked the "Twilight Bark" on D23, and it says, "04.22.10 — Monsters are Back! Disney announced today that Pixar's Brave will be released June 15, 2012 and a sequel to Monsters, Inc. will arrive in theaters November 16, 2012." d23.disney.go.com/newsfeatures.html
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Post by Bampot on Apr 24, 2010 9:43:25 GMT -5
That's a good stance to have, Mistica. I'm planning on waiting on the fence to see, but it's so hard not to come up with little theories. And there have been multiple sources that are reliable.
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Post by mistica0christina on Apr 24, 2010 10:35:01 GMT -5
It IS true. I checked the "Twilight Bark" on D23, and it says, "04.22.10 — Monsters are Back! Disney announced today that Pixar's Brave will be released June 15, 2012 and a sequel to Monsters, Inc. will arrive in theaters November 16, 2012." d23.disney.go.com/newsfeatures.htmlI wasn't saying that it wasn't true, what I said is that for me THIS IS PROOF that it is happening. Do you know how long I kept reading and hearing rumors about the suppossed sequel yet these past sources didn't have the proof that I felt was necessary to back up the info. Now since more credible sources have announced this, not to mention that there is even a confirmed release date with BOTH a month and day of release as well as the year, I now believe that this sequel does exist and is happening. Like I said, my stance is that I will wait until an actual story about what the film entails is announced before I start making automatic judgements on whether this sequel will help or kill the original at all.
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Post by V on Apr 24, 2010 10:57:03 GMT -5
Ah, alright.
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Post by pitbulllady on Apr 24, 2010 11:37:08 GMT -5
Yes, Mistica, we DO have official word from Disney-and that's about as "official" and real as it gets-that there IS a sequel in the works and that it is slated for a November 16, 2012, release. Of course, that release date could change, and get moved up or back, depending on how filming goes and depending on what other studios' films are also slated for release around that time that might be more competition that Disney wants.
BUT, with regards to the plot, characters, director, etc., all that is still speculation. The only mention I've seen of the voice actors was on Wikipedia, and we all know how reliable THAT is, right? Since anyone can post there, and everyone usually does, there frequently is a lot of misinformation, spam and lies that wind up being taken too seriously on Wikipedia. The latest I read stated that the three original leading male cast members-Goodman, Crystal and Buscemi-were returning, but I haven't seen anything that mentioned Mary Gibbs returning, and I'd have to be skeptical of that. Mary Gibbs was not really an actress, just a very young daughter of a Pixar employee, who was chosen to provide Boo's voice and recorded as she ran around and played because her voice sounded right and she was readily available, given that her dad worked for the company. She didn't really have to "act" at all but just be a normal child and go about her business while a sound guy followed her around with a recording mike. Now, that's not to say that she DIDN'T grow up to become an actress, but it does seem highly unlikely, and even more so that she'd be voicing Boo again, unless there is going to be another cute little kid character and she'll be playing an older Boo or perhaps Boo's older sister.
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Post by Bampot on Apr 24, 2010 12:18:04 GMT -5
I'm just going by what IMDb is saying right now. I don't think it's extremely unlikely that they won't bring Mary back, but I think it's more realistic that they're replace her with some hot Disney star if Boo is in her teens. Can anyone say "Miley Cyrus?"
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Post by mentalguru on Apr 24, 2010 12:36:16 GMT -5
I'm just going by what IMDb is saying right now. I don't think it's extremely unlikely that they won't bring Mary back, but I think it's more realistic that they're replace her with some hot Disney star if Boo is in her teens. Can anyone say "Miley Cyrus?" ... -Drastically tries to hide comment with her hands but realises the internet doesn't work that way!- Bampot! What if Vanessie sees that suggestion?! I am concerned about Boo though. Her protrayal is important, only superseded by Sulley and Randall personally for me. And there's the whole world creation issue and messing THAT up.
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Post by Bampot on Apr 24, 2010 12:48:00 GMT -5
Lol, I was worried about suggesting it. It's just something I can see them doing. If not Cyrus, then whatever other Disney kid that's "the thing" at the time.
I'm wondering how Boo is going to be in the movie. I mean, if she is grown, what kind of girl is she now? How much has Sully visited her since the door was repaired? How has that changed her, compared to other girls? Now that she's older, is she abandoning Sully, if he is a regular visitor, for a normal teenage girl life? Perhaps she does and Sully starts to worry and searches beyond her room to find her, thinking she's in trouble, and gets spotted by a few humans.
This sequel just as so many ways to go. I hope we get a general overview of the plot soon.
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Post by pitbulllady on Apr 24, 2010 15:08:37 GMT -5
I'm just going by what IMDb is saying right now. I don't think it's extremely unlikely that they won't bring Mary back, but I think it's more realistic that they're replace her with some hot Disney star if Boo is in her teens. Can anyone say "Miley Cyrus?" Where did you see that on IMDb? There is nothing showing up yet on the MI2 page, unless you're a paid subscriber, which I'm not. If you are, what are they saying in those links with regards to the cast and director and plot? pitbulllady
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Post by Bampot on Apr 24, 2010 15:39:45 GMT -5
I'm just going by what IMDb is saying right now. I don't think it's extremely unlikely that they won't bring Mary back, but I think it's more realistic that they're replace her with some hot Disney star if Boo is in her teens. Can anyone say "Miley Cyrus?" Where did you see that on IMDb? There is nothing showing up yet on the MI2 page, unless you're a paid subscriber, which I'm not. If you are, what are they saying in those links with regards to the cast and director and plot? pitbulllady I'm not a paid subscriber either and things like that kill me. There are several different movies I would really like to know more details about, but can't. No, I'm looking on the actors' pages.
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Post by pitbulllady on Apr 24, 2010 16:18:10 GMT -5
OK, I checked out the actors' pages. I'm not sure whether to be happy or not that Steve Buscemi's IMDb page has no mention at all of MI2, while those of the others do. I'm not sure just how much more valid IMDb is this early in the game than Wikipedia, since it HAS had errors before, and like Wikipedia, can be edited by anyone willing to charge the IMDb Pro account to a credit card. I don't know if Buscemi's casting just hasn't been finalized yet, or if he won't be returning, which of course means that Randall won't be returning, either, unless HE is voiced by another actor, and THAT I'd have problems with. Then again, if Randall does NOT return, that means that Pixar won't be dragging him through the mud again.
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