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Post by mentalguru on Sept 16, 2010 10:11:55 GMT -5
Well using colour in my book is silly to identify as orientation, or at the very least it is with beings who can't really control their default colour. Randall was born with those colours as his default. And PINK is really the colour more so than purple. Though he does have some pink on him.
That being said, it's not like its a bad thing to be called gay unless people use the deogratry terms I'm sure we're all familar with. Granted I'm also sad that people have not called me that. I already have several come backs (likely made without knowing my orientation) all ready and waiting:
"You're about half right."
"Why? Are you interested/disappointed if so?* Because you're maybe far from hideous, but work on your pick up lines hun. You sound a little frustrated or desperate." *(delete as appropriate).
I don't personally view Randall as having that orientation but it's not like it's insulting if someone decides he's gay. (Or whatever). Calling him creepy could be considered as such. It's simply rather silly assertion to make that he'd be gay on the basis of the colours of the character. But hey, being gay is hardly bad.
Granted I feel the character who would object most strongly against being called that would be Syndrome and Mike in that order. Syndrome because he is hiding is weirdo obsession with Mr.I and is also probably a bit of a childish homophobe. Mike because he would fear it would hurt his 'casanova' status.
Sulley... I'm not sure would give a damn but then I don't think he cares much about sex to begin with. Sulley the asexual. Randall would be annoyed but would eventually hopefully get over it. Eventually. In a better state anyway. Thing is the more you deny the more in the closet you seem to be or you either look like a prejudiced moron if you make a big deal out of the idea. Whether you like the same gender or not in reality. Best to either run with it in amusement in either outcome. People who try to make it into an insult to people are trying to get a negative reaction out of you.
I don't really give that much of a damn if its aimed at me now (only ever been in the internet so far but meh.)
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Post by mistica0christina on Sept 16, 2010 10:23:35 GMT -5
Um, I thought that what I said made sense, this is information I got online that Purple is considered a PRIDE color for those of the gay or lesbian community, I think what I found may relate to the homosexual movement for marriage or something like that but I think that's why the girl said he looked gay, because he was the color purple and that is a PRIDE color. Uh, okay MG, I'm sorry but you may have to clarify something for me here, why would anyone call you gay, just asking.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 16, 2010 16:02:52 GMT -5
Um, I thought that what I said made sense, this is information I got online that Purple is considered a PRIDE color for those of the gay or lesbian community, I think what I found may relate to the homosexual movement for marriage or something like that but I think that's why the girl said he looked gay, because he was the color purple and that is a PRIDE color. Uh, okay MG, I'm sorry but you may have to clarify something for me here, why would anyone call you gay, just asking. Long, long before there was such a thing as a Gay and Lesbian PRIDE organization, long before it was commonplace for homosexuals to be open about their orientation, kids and rednecks and others with limited intellectual capacity associated certain colors with sexual orientation or preferences, and pink and purple, if worn by a guy, were presumed by such people to mean that the individual was gay. A kid might show up at school with a pink Izod shirt his mom bought him and be relentlessly bullied and teased about it. I've heard redneck low-lifes maintain that only gays were pink or purple or wear Hawaiian shirts, and other stupid things like that. It's like saying only Satanists or witches wear black, or only Bloods wear red. It's stereotyping people by things as simple as the COLOR or style of their clothes. I happen to like Hawaiian shirts myself, and I'm very partial to comfortable footwear, which many people believe indicate a woman is a lesbian, since "straight" women are supposed to wear heels all the time! Randall was BORN purple, by default, so it's not like he gets up and puts on clothes that denote his sexual orientation. He also have a lot of blue and green and a bit of pink or coral, so what orientation would THOSE colors indicate? So, the PRIDE movement decided to adopt purple...just like the Bloods adopted red and the Crips blue. That doesn't mean that anyone who wears those colors belongs to any of those affiliations. pitbulllady
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Post by mistica0christina on Sept 16, 2010 18:08:53 GMT -5
Uh, I kind of get the color and gay association but I don't get the clothes things with women...I really don't get that....but that only answers to one of my comments...still waiting for an answer to the other part.
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Post by randomdrifter on Sept 17, 2010 1:55:39 GMT -5
Long, long before there was such a thing as a Gay and Lesbian PRIDE organization, long before it was commonplace for homosexuals to be open about their orientation, kids and rednecks and others with limited intellectual capacity associated certain colors with sexual orientation or preferences, and pink and purple, if worn by a guy, were presumed by such people to mean that the individual was gay. A kid might show up at school with a pink Izod shirt his mom bought him and be relentlessly bullied and teased about it. I've heard redneck low-lifes maintain that only gays were pink or purple or wear Hawaiian shirts, and other stupid things like that. It's like saying only Satanists or witches wear black, or only Bloods wear red. It's stereotyping people by things as simple as the COLOR or style of their clothes. I happen to like Hawaiian shirts myself, and I'm very partial to comfortable footwear, which many people believe indicate a woman is a lesbian, since "straight" women are supposed to wear heels all the time! Randall was BORN purple, by default, so it's not like he gets up and puts on clothes that denote his sexual orientation. He also have a lot of blue and green and a bit of pink or coral, so what orientation would THOSE colors indicate? So, the PRIDE movement decided to adopt purple...just like the Bloods adopted red and the Crips blue. That doesn't mean that anyone who wears those colors belongs to any of those affiliations. pitbulllady I don't understand though what all the fuss is about in regards to colors and sexual orientation. The responses I've been reading so far sound fairly pissy, so where did that anger come from, really? A color is a color, and sexual orientation? You are who you are if you are okay with yourself, and that's that. Unless it's causing so much emotional/psychological turmoil about being or not being homosexual or bisexual that it's becoming a source of anger or fear, which includes having the inability to be direct and open about it. In which case, see a therapist, and put my kind into business. Mistica- I think what PBL was trying to get accross is that women who don't look feminine according to our Western standards are typically judged negatively and assumed to be lesbian. A more "feminine" look for a woman (and therefore, "appropriate")would include tight-fitting shirts, blouses, lengthy skirts for the office, and maybe some flats, pumps, or moderately high heeled shoes that are comfortable to wear standing for certain periods of time. Earrings or another accesory here or there are also a nice feminine touch. Again, these are all Western ideals and norms, because not ALL women accross the globe can or want to dress like this, for reasons that can relate to socioeconomic status, religion, work demands/positions, etc. Interesting stuff, right? In regards to men wearing pink, I just have to throw in here that I absolutely LOVE how a pink polo shirt looks on a guy. See? Here's another example of a stereotype: the metrosexual. Again, my own viewpoints would differ from the average American standard of what is considered masculine, so what I may consider to look awesomely hot on my significant other, my "manly" (i.e., sloppy and slightly arrogant) American dude friends will look at him and snicker about it later when he's not around because my guy, by their standards, looks high-maintenance and looks "preppy", and therefore, MUST be a "metrosexual". Did that help or make any difference at all?
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Post by mentalguru on Sept 17, 2010 17:12:44 GMT -5
Pissy? Where'd you get that from my last post? I wasn't really that bothered about the idea of Randall being thought of as gay, simply that the idea of using his colours as such is pretty silly. Because it kind of is in the end. But insulting? No. It's simply a very silly assumption to make. That's more or less my point. As well as being called creepy was a bad thing which was in the artists original comments.
Besides, who really needs 'proof' of that? And it's pretty flimsy. People can say Randall is gay, pair him with a guy and they wouldn't be going against canon anyway (never see him in a normal situation to gauge all that well anyway), and it doesn't matter as long as they're not doing it in a deogratry sense and make it out like it's a bad thing like it was when this was first posted. (Because people do do that which is detrimental in many ways and it did almost originally mind you before further explantions and editions seem like said artist was).
As for me being called gay, well people would do that for me for various reasons. One because it would be a reasonable assumption in my case if they saw me hitting on a girl in that respect. However I'm more talking about would be people trying to turn it into an insult or act all shocked about it in a horrified way. It's taken me a while to become comfortable with it by any stretch (that my attractions care little with regard what they are or not packing). So that the first time I got set up with a girl I was in utter panic and awkward mode partially because the idea was scary in the sense of what my family would think.
It's completely unknown really what the monster view on orientation really IS anyway though themselves. It's possible their own society does not have the same hang ups or hasn't for a long time. There have been several in human history anyway like that.
We were just very unlucky with ours even if it is getting better than what it was. In some areas anyway.
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Post by mistica0christina on Sept 17, 2010 20:32:24 GMT -5
I guess so Randomdrifter but I don't dress "feminine" all of the time either, I tend to wear t-shirts, some of them guys t-shirts, just because I want to and when people look or react to me, they don't react the way they do because they think I'm lesbian, they react the way they do because down here in South Texas wearing black = you are a disease, you are scum, a freak, a druggie, possibly a gangmember, etc, etc....nobody sees a girl in a t-shirt and tennies down here and thinks she's gay at all by any stretch of the imagination...just that she's some drugged up piece of garbage who probably only makes enough money to hit every rock concert that comes in our direction. That's how it's like down here, besides something tells me that if a guy knew a girl was a lesbian, it sure as hell wouldn't bother him. Okay MG, so if I'm understanding what you're saying right, I guess you're saying that you go both ways...which is fine, it's not like it bothers me at all, just curious... If we're still on the subject of colors...can anyone tell me what it means if you like the color green...you see in elementary, that was my favorite color until some kids asked me because they had some paper that said something about colors and what they meant and apparantly the fact that I liked green not only gave them more fuel to make my life worse, it also meant something bad in relation to me...so if anyone knows, what does that color mean if it is associated with what we're discussing?
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Post by Leopardstream on Sept 17, 2010 21:50:35 GMT -5
I went ahead and looked on Wikipedia for you and this is one section I got, after boring myself to death and dying at Dupont Hostpital about the color wheel and all-
"The word green is closely related to the Old English verb growan, “to grow”. It is used to describe plants or the ocean. Sometimes it can also describe someone who is inexperienced, jealous, or sick. In the United States of America, green is a slang term for money, among other things. Several colloquialisms have derived from these meanings, such as “green around the gills”, a phrase used to describe a person who looks ill. Culturally, green has broad and sometimes contradictory meanings. In some cultures, green symbolizes hope and growth, while in others, it is associated with death, sickness, envy, or the devil "
Hmm..we already seem to know this stuff, do you want me to keep looking for better results or something, or is this not what you wanted?
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Post by mistica0christina on Sept 17, 2010 21:55:19 GMT -5
I went ahead and looked on Wikipedia for you and this is one section I got, after boring myself to death and dying at Dupont Hostpital about the color wheel and all- "The word green is closely related to the Old English verb growan, “to grow”. It is used to describe plants or the ocean. Sometimes it can also describe someone who is inexperienced, jealous, or sick. In the United States of America, green is a slang term for money, among other things. Several colloquialisms have derived from these meanings, such as “green around the gills”, a phrase used to describe a person who looks ill. Culturally, green has broad and sometimes contradictory meanings. In some cultures, green symbolizes hope and growth, while in others, it is associated with death, sickness, envy, or the devil " Hmm..we already seem to know this stuff, do you want me to keep looking for better results or something, or is this not what you wanted? To be honest, I really don't know what to expect, like I said, I was very little when they asked me this stupid question and apparantly had a good laugh at my expense just because I liked a certain stupid color?! I guess if you want to keep looking, that wouldn't be such a bad idea but I'm trying to remember back to that little kid logic...what could this color symbolize that would make the fact that I was an outcast even more humorous is what I would like to know?
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Post by mistica0christina on Sept 17, 2010 22:16:33 GMT -5
Well, tried to do some more research in relation to a person and a color they favor and this is the closest I can get. www.catalogs.com/info/people/what-does-your-favorite-color-mean.htmlThis website has listed what having a certain color as a favorite color means...with maybe the slight exception for the color grey, according to this site, there is nothing negative associated with liking a particular color....ugh, this really doesn't explain anything from what happened years ago!
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Post by Leopardstream on Sept 17, 2010 22:26:00 GMT -5
I did my research, you sit back and think...
"Metaphysics In the metaphysics of the "New Age Prophetess", Alice Bailey, in her system called the Seven Rays which classifies humans into seven different metaphysical psychological types, the "third ray" of "creative intelligence" is represented by the color green. People who have this metaphysical psychological type are said to be "on the Green Ray".[70] In Hinduism, Green is used to symbolically represent the fourth, heart chakra (Anahata).[71] Psychics who claim to be able to observe the aura with their third eye report that someone with a green aura is typically someone who is in an occupation related to health, such as a physician or nurse, as well as people who are lovers of nature and the outdoors.[72]
*rubs chin* Hmmm..maybe the kid wasn't making you feel like an outcast, maybe simply being a jerk. All together, It means two things. 1)hope,happiness, and nature. Maybe he knew things like this but simpler (what grade where you in at this time?*) and thought of you as a "nature geek" or something like that, or 2) dark and evil. very evil. and maybe this was what he thought of you.
*This can help me think like that grader. I can try, and it worked alot.
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Post by mistica0christina on Sept 18, 2010 0:42:59 GMT -5
Well was a small group of kids, the usual group I had to deal with who had picked on me nearly all throughout my earlier school years, it was in fourth grade when this whole color thing happened. Also not sure if race made any difference but the elementary I attended was predominately white, in my particular class of students, there were only four students of a minority. One student who was native American, one who was black, one who was half white and hispanic and then hispanic which was me. The first bullies I dealt with in my lifetime I admit were white but at that age, race was never the issue...what started the bullying was the fact that I had to wear glasses starting from kindergarden...but like I said, this incident happened in fourth grade.
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Post by Leopardstream on Sept 18, 2010 6:45:21 GMT -5
I bet he was simply bullying you cuz of the color you liked or something like that. Kids in the 4th grade here, Mistica, in my area, not the state, are cruel and will do anything to give a few kids a hard time. Is it the same down there in Texas?
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Post by mistica0christina on Sept 18, 2010 8:54:42 GMT -5
I bet he was simply bullying you cuz of the color you liked or something like that. Kids in the 4th grade here, Mistica, in my area, not the state, are cruel and will do anything to give a few kids a hard time. Is it the same down there in Texas? All I can say from my experience is that the grade of when you are bullied doesn't matter...all it takes is one thing that makes you different from everyone else and to those who bully or pick on other kids, that's considered more than a justified enough reason for someone to pick on you. It seemed to me growing up that it started out with having to wear glasses than as the years passed, they always found something else to make fun of me with, I was bullied for a number of reasons, I was picked on because I was considered skinny, I was considered a geek, it was just alot of things and reasons for why I was picked on really...my parents told me that people do it because they are jealous or insecure themselves but at that time, I honestly didn't understand what it was about me that would make anyone jealous. In fact, if it wasn't for my best friend who had stuck by me and did help protect me from some of them, I honestly believe that I would have been alone for the good beginning of my young life but once she started to defend and protect me, then she also became a target of them as well. The bullying never really stopped until we got up into high school but by that point, I guess puberty helps changes things. In high school, I was asked out by a small few of boys, all boys who had picked on me growing up and because of what they did to me when I was younger (trust me, I haven't forgotten that), I turned all of them down because to me, considering how mean they were to me then why should I even give them the time of day, you know? Also, my likes and attractions to goth/punk types first developed during that time after getting my heart broken by my crush whom I had for the longest time, I guess I wanted to find a boy who was even way more different than him. In high school, the only incident I had was some stupid little freshman who since he had picked on my brother decided to make my life a living hell for awile but when my mother threatened to take him to court for sexual harrassment, his dad decided to have him be transfered to a different lunch than the one I was in which was probably his way of solving the problem...the only thing I could think of that nobody picked on me for was the fact that I was one of the few school kids who could grow their nails much longer than others especially since other kids, their parents wouldn't let them...I was able to reason with my mom on that when she allowed me to do that. Kids who bully others will always be considered cruel to me but I am a pretty big believer in karma since some of those past bullies also had quite some messups when we were growing up, even one of them I know had a brush in with the law...karma is a b*tch is how the expression goes and to me, if you decide to be an a$$hole during your life, sooner or later, life will decide to be an a$$hole right back, just for some, it takes longer than others.
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Post by TheOnePistol on Sept 21, 2010 1:26:06 GMT -5
but this one takes the cake. Check out this chick's artist comments on her "humanized Randall" portrait found here: crystalizedtwilight.deviantart.com/art/Randall-Boggs-149743005 - "Randall Boggs from Monsters Inc. humanized I figure as a human in the workplace, Randall would fall somewhere between the handsome homosexual employee and the creepy guy that all his other coworkers avoid." She has since removed all comments made by other DA members and disabled commented on the pic, after one person questioned her reasoning as to why she thought Randall would be gay, and her response was essentially that he was PURPLE, therefore he MUST be gay! I posted that I thought only Jr. High school kids still thought like that, and associated colors with sexual orientation, something a child would do, and here is her response to me: "Hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Fortunately, I don't care about yours " And, before anyone here starts going off about me having no right to post her comments here, guess again. If she made a comment available to the public, it's public domain. If she sent it to ME, it becomes MY domain once it enters my inbox, and I can do anything with it that I want to. Her profile claims she's 18, but seriously, do 18-year-olds still believe that color, either what you wear or whatever, proves your sexual orientation? Heck, I teach Jr. High, and only the "slower" and most-immature kids I teach still believe that. pitbulllady yah that dont make sense, just because he is purple dose not mean he's gay, now if he was like pink and baby blue, then yah id be questioning. lol but seriously, that was a stupid reason to call him gay.
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