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Post by mistica0christina on Oct 7, 2009 10:36:09 GMT -5
Wait a minute, it's legal at 18 over there!? Damn Lucky! It's not legal for someone to drink over here in the states until 21! Unfortunately, even though I am legal, I'm taking classes while I'm still at home, my folks made it clear that no alcohol enters our house. Can't tell you how much I can't wait until I have my own place and then I can drink whenever I feel! Lucky you! That reminds me, I think there was some talk about the drinking age being lowered but I don't know if that would ever happen here! Not that it would matter for me anyways.
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Post by mentalguru on Oct 7, 2009 10:45:36 GMT -5
To be honest Mistica, it becomes ... less of a big deal when it's legal. (But yes it is 18 in the UK AND Ireland to buy alcohol). It's why people who talk smack about how it should be raised to 21 over HERE aren't really thinking. It won't stop the younger kids, and just make it look more glamerous anyway.. My parents used to have similar views, but they more or less I think they 'know' that I only do it once every two months at most (and even then I don't drink much), so it's not that big a deal. If I was under 18 though, oh HELL NO. They wouldn't have liked it at all. Besides my dad has the odd drink (like twice a year... XD), but still, it's enough that it would make him a hypocrite if he got off at me for it when I'm 22 as of September and when I don't drink much at ALL. I'm hardly one of those people you'd ever find on the stomach pumps. lol. By the way folks- I found this really good video on youtube. It's this guys talking about the 'monster' he had when he was 12 years old. Basically a clown called 'Mr. Jingles' It's a bit like Stephen King's 'IT' really. I think it would touch upon how Randall may have scared kids. You know... little sounds and what not. It's a damn good home-made mini-scary/suspense movie. www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5EVcIVLQ1o&feature=fvw
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Post by lizardgirl on Oct 7, 2009 12:55:07 GMT -5
I'm not saying he got 'trashed' with Waternoose... more if would lower his inhibitions. I'm sorry, but the image in my head having read that sentence is just so priceless. I'm actually sitting in front of the computer, LOLLING at the moment. I haven't read most of the posts as I don't have the time at the moment, but this is all very interesting. As for Randall drinking, well, perhaps coming from a background where drinking and alcohol are very commonplace and part of me just can't help but feel that perhaps, after a hard day's scaring, Randall might want to come home and relax with a beer. Or a cider or something. I'm not saying he regularly goes out and gets absolutely rat-arsed, but I guess the Randall in my head does drink a little bit. As for female scarers, well, I'm sure there's no active discrimination in the Monster World at that time, but at the same time there's something about the movie as a whole that makes me think that perhaps it's not set in the year we experienced it in (i.e. 2001). It just seems so much more...40s/50s/60s. And in those times, there were certain things that men were meant to do and certain things that women were meant to do. So, we see a female secretary at Monsters, Inc. and we see male Scarers.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Oct 7, 2009 19:24:44 GMT -5
*laughs* You mean like Linguini? ^0- Or evidently, EXACTLY like that heh.
*Folds arms and stares* Someone of my family nearly died from alcohol posioning...so I KNOW what damage it can do. And I've seen people going through beer after beer drowning their sorrows and in front of children. Having a "nip from the old bottle" every once and awhile I'm not bashing.
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 7, 2009 20:59:50 GMT -5
*laughs* You mean like Linguini? ^0- Or evidently, EXACTLY like that heh. *Folds arms and stares* Someone of my family nearly died from alcohol posioning...so I KNOW what damage it can do. And I've seen people going through beer after beer drowning their sorrows and in front of children. Having a "nip from the old bottle" every once and awhile I'm not bashing. There are people who drink alcohol, and then there are alcoholics. I admit to enjoying an adult beverage now and then, even though I have to be very moderate because I'm diabetic, and alcoholic beverages by default contain large amounts of simple sugars. I have also had people in my family who were hard-core alcoholics, who died from its effects. It's like there are people who can take narcotic pain relievers for an injury or following surgery or whatever and then just quit once their pain subsides, while others can't take one without becoming addicted. MOST adults do drink alcohol on occasion, but that does not make them drunks; it's like any other drug in that it has the potential for abuse. Randall is very much part of a culture in which beer and the occasional shot of something stronger is deeply ingrained. He's from a working class, largely rural Middle American background, and probably, like me and many others from similar roots, won't turn up his nose at a Bud now and then. That doesn't mean he's a drunk, though, but like I said earlier, his body weight and fat:muscle ratio determines how well he can handle it. Someone like Sulley could probably drink a roomful of Germans under the table without even catching a decent buzz, while moderation would have to be the key with someone of Randall's build. pitbulllady
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Post by mentalguru on Oct 8, 2009 3:51:04 GMT -5
Precisely PBL.
RB, the fact that happened to a family member is terrible, and I'm really sorry, but you DID more or less infer that whoever had even ONE drink was 'stupid'- stating Randall would never waste his money on it because he 'isn't stupid'. However like PBL has pointed out, this is an incredibly loaded statement and is just untrue. Just because the person has the odd drink DOES NOT make them an alcoholic or 'stupid'. And Randall probably wouldn't drink TOO much if he did, because... well he WOULD be somewhat of a lightweight. He's 24 in the movie, and assuming that the age of legality is 21 like in the US (of course this is an assumption... always found it odd you guys will trust someone to vote for leaders and such... and yet won't trust to have a beer at the same age.), he's at least probably had some experience with the stuff.
It's like saying that anyone who has sex even once, (before marriage), is a slut. Heck, one of my friends has had a scare of pregnancy, twice (the first time, she actually READ THE TEST wrong, and if I hadn't been there to point it out, she'd have been calling said first boyfriend in a panic for nothing). But she's only slept with like... two people in her life. She's been going out with her current boyfriend for three YEARS. Does that make her a slut? Hell no. As for myself, I don't believe in waiting for marriage, but I DO believe in waiting for love and someone you can at least definitly trust in that capacity. Not just for that all important (actually, more like embarrassing) 'first time' like for some but in ANY encounters of that nature. Other people are different in that respect, but that doesn't make THEM sluts either.
Still, some people would say that ANYONE who even THINKS about having sex before marriage is a slut. Hey, if they want to wait, that's their business, and I'm hardly going to say they are 'stupid' for doing so, just like anyone who swears off alcohol isn't stupid either, because they may have their own personal reasons for it. But honestly RB that kind of thinking really doesn't work.
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Post by mistica0christina on Oct 8, 2009 8:59:03 GMT -5
???Oooookaaay? Can't tell if we're discussing Randall still or trying to school me on the bad things of alcohol. Yes Mentalguru, I understand that you say the whole thing of drinking is not a big deal but the only reason why it is for me is the fact that I am legal, so by law I am legal to drink. I'm not saying that I would go drink myself crazy like some dumb @$$, I would just like to try it once, decide for myself whether it's for me, and then either don't continue with it or do. I think part of the fear for my parents is the fact that alcoholism does run in both sides of the family tree. My father has relatives who drinks so he doesn't period. My mother has brothers, her father, and stepfather who are also drinkers so she doesn't touch the stuff either. Still, just because they can't control themselves with their problem doesn't mean that I couldn't if and when I ever started drinking. I am not the same as them, I am me, I am an individual who has their own mind and can actually think before doing something that they would probably regret. As for why the drinking age is 21 here in the states, according to my mother, it wasn't always, it used to be 18 here too some time back. The reason why it got raised was because of activist groups such as MADD or Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It's a group of women who have one thing in common which is that they have lost a child due to an accident involving a drunk driver. They held protests when they first formed which led to them changing the drinking age law. Then as a final note, RandallBoggs, I'm sorry about what almost happened in your family but Mentalguru is kind of right on that, how you phrased it does seem to infer that taking one drink could make one stupid. And with that said, this is one thread that I'm going to leave alone, I'll leave you guys to your conversation on the topic at hand.
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Post by Bampot on Oct 8, 2009 13:54:12 GMT -5
I have a good few drinkers in my family as well and one huge alcoholic of an aunt. We've tried to get her help, but she refuses. I was left alone a lot as a kid so my parents could go out and drink. The same for my cousins. It's just left me bitter towards it. I don't mind when someone drinks a few to after work just to take it easy, but it makes me sick to watch my family down can after can until they act like idiots and get into fights.
That aside, I could see Randall relaxing to a few drinks, but I could never see him developing a problem.
I actually talked to someone the other day who thought that having sex with your steady boyfriend or husband everyday made you a slut. I pretty much agree with you on the whole situation. There's nothing wrong with waiting until marriage, but I don't see the point if you're with someone you plan on staying with.
That video also scared me some. Pretty great for something on YouTube. I like the whole idea of Mr. Jingles scaring just for the sound because he liked it. He could almost be a deranged monster who used to be a scarer and was banished.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Oct 8, 2009 18:49:46 GMT -5
Drink every now and then, ok. But when you do so as an excuse because your "depressed" or something, claiming it to be the solution, and it ain't, then it's not. *shakes head* Whatever the case, I don't drink, but I'm not going to punch some guy because he does. ------- Yes, the topic has gone in some different directions hasn't it? *stares* Who said that was the only incident 0_- Taking one drink can be a stupid decision, but NOT make the person stupid. Alcohol is a drink with negative side-effects. Say you ARE a lightweight...but you don't know it...take a drink or two and you find yourself doing things you didn't. And what if your body has some unknown reaction to something in the alcohol? I'm just saying what's the risks for just a drink. ------------------- People people ^_^; Seeing as how I haven't called anybody that is "Sl.....ut" a word we should be using here? ^_^;
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Post by mentalguru on Oct 9, 2009 5:36:52 GMT -5
If you drink because you are depressed, you DO have a serious problem.
Solutions aren't at the bottom of a bottle after all, and besides, alcohol is technically a depressent. If you drink when you're depressed- that's the sign of a major problem in some cases. Relaxing? Fine. Or even just for social sake, as long as you don't get rat-arsed and throw up on someone's shoes.
(I don't get how that could, in any universe, be considered socially acceptable. I never either 'got' why some people also seemed to think the sign of a 'great night' was when you couldn't REMEMBER what happened- that would be my biggest nightmare not to remember what I'd done or where I'd been, and I'd totally freak if that ever happened.).
Glad you liked the video Bampot, scared me, alot when I watched it. Apparrently the guy DID say it was part of a challenge on youtube- for people to make a video demonstrating their childhood fears.
The guy did say in reply to some comments that it was fun but scary at the same time, putting childhood monsters 'to bed' at last.
The scariest part was when the door opened and even just those pictures of the clown as he told people of his monster's 'back-story'.
It's also twisted that the clown went from loving the sound of laughter to loving another sound- the screams as people saw his face...
Kind of like a reverse of what happened in M.I. almost. Only WAY more twisted.
Plus, the method of the clown- how he scared- with little sounds and what-not, because he liked them is somewhat similar to how I see Randall scaring kids (though of course he'd want them to SCREAM rather than stay silent, though the clown of his imagination wanted that too in a way).
To be honest, I think Randall would have kept kids scared at a higher age than Sulley would have. As mentioned by PBL- Sulley would be good at playing on a little kid's based fears of large animals etc.
Randall could get a bit more psycological. Little sounds and a build up. The kids is FREAKING and then he finally reveals himself-
And cue scream.
"It's all about presence about how you enter the room!"
Think Waternoose might have been on to something there.
Randall's blending ability is useful, which brings me to another theory-
Not all of Randall's 'people' can blend, it's a special ability quite a few have, but not all, it's like humans who can roll their tounges, only much more impressive.
Either THAT or they all or most of them can, and so there is an element of mistrust about them in the monster world?
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 9, 2009 12:14:10 GMT -5
If you drink because you are depressed, you DO have a serious problem. Solutions aren't at the bottom of a bottle after all, and besides, alcohol is technically a depressent. If you drink when you're depressed- that's the sign of a major problem in some cases. Relaxing? Fine. Or even just for social sake, as long as you don't get rat-arsed and throw up on someone's shoes. (I don't get how that could, in any universe, be considered socially acceptable. I never either 'got' why some people also seemed to think the sign of a 'great night' was when you couldn't REMEMBER what happened- that would be my biggest nightmare not to remember what I'd done or where I'd been, and I'd totally freak if that ever happened.). Glad you liked the video Bampot, scared me, alot when I watched it. Apparrently the guy DID say it was part of a challenge on youtube- for people to make a video demonstrating their childhood fears. The guy did say in reply to some comments that it was fun but scary at the same time, putting childhood monsters 'to bed' at last. The scariest part was when the door opened and even just those pictures of the clown as he told people of his monster's 'back-story'. It's also twisted that the clown went from loving the sound of laughter to loving another sound- the screams as people saw his face... Kind of like a reverse of what happened in M.I. almost. Only WAY more twisted. Plus, the method of the clown- how he scared- with little sounds and what-not, because he liked them is somewhat similar to how I see Randall scaring kids (though of course he'd want them to SCREAM rather than stay silent, though the clown of his imagination wanted that too in a way). To be honest, I think Randall would have kept kids scared at a higher age than Sulley would have. As mentioned by PBL- Sulley would be good at playing on a little kid's based fears of large animals etc. Randall could get a bit more psycological. Little sounds and a build up. The kids is FREAKING and then he finally reveals himself- And cue scream. "It's all about presence about how you enter the room!" Think Waternoose might have been on to something there. Randall's blending ability is useful, which brings me to another theory- Not all of Randall's 'people' can blend, it's a special ability quite a few have, but not all, it's like humans who can roll their tounges, only much more impressive. Either THAT or they all or most of them can, and so there is an element of mistrust about them in the monster world? I'm thinking that Randall's ability to blend was likely a rare and very unique genetic gift, either the result of a spontaneous mutation with him the first to exhibit it, or a recessive "throw-back" gene obtained generations ago from some hapless animal who became a meal for one of the first-banished Mons, a gene which pops up every now and then in monsters carrying that bloodline, just as we occasionally have human infants born with tails, or a Carolina Dog(Dingo)born with the blue-black tongue of a remote Chow-Chow ancestor, before the first human adventurers dared to cross the Berring Land Bridge from Asia into North America, bringing their hunting/sled dogs with them. The fact that Randall's ability made him different and unique, however, means also that he'd be regarded as a "freak" even in a world populated by what most of US would regard as "freaks" by default", and possibly again, in the minds of most monsters, it would place him closer to being a "lower animal" himself than a monster. pitbulllady
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Post by Theophilus Hatta on Jun 9, 2010 15:39:05 GMT -5
Geting back to 'funny' theories... given the number of tentacled monsters we've seen in the background, I'm willing to bet the monsterworld equivalent of underground Japan-comics is either *very* interesting or very tame... XD
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Post by mentalguru on Aug 6, 2010 11:22:30 GMT -5
I wonder what their reaction would be to the underground Japan comics over here would be.
"He's touching a HUMAN? Ewwww."
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