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Jun 19, 2009 19:16:51 GMT -5
Post by Bampot on Jun 19, 2009 19:16:51 GMT -5
I just got back from seeing it and I have to say that I really enjoyed it. Best Pixar movie I've seen in a while. I even preferred it to WALL-E.
Did anyone else see it?
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Jun 19, 2009 20:06:45 GMT -5
Post by pitbulllady on Jun 19, 2009 20:06:45 GMT -5
I have not seen it, and don't know that I plan to. I know this sounds unfair to the movie, but I really have a big problem with the fact that the Bad Guy's dogs are a bunch of Rottweilers and Dobermans, except for the one good dog, which is a Golden Retriever. Peter Docter has a thing for stereotypes, it seems. I've been actively fighting BSL(Breed-Specific Legislation), which is intended to ban and kill dogs based soley on their breed, using negative stereotypes as the basis. We sure didn't need for a Pixar movie to reinforce that. I'm also not happy with the fact that once again, the "Good Guys" can get by with practically anything, even murder, and no one even questions how they wound up with that derigible or anything, just as no one questions Mike or Sulley about what happened to Randall. I know that might sound petty, but this whole thing would probably prevent me from enjoying the rest of the movie, so I haven't gone to see it.
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Jun 20, 2009 5:45:04 GMT -5
Post by DinoGirl on Jun 20, 2009 5:45:04 GMT -5
We're having to wait till October in Britain. *pouts* I really want to see this, as it is directed by Pete Doctor. Hope that it is good, as the trailer has gotten me into wondering...
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Jun 20, 2009 10:23:05 GMT -5
Post by Bampot on Jun 20, 2009 10:23:05 GMT -5
I have not seen it, and don't know that I plan to. I know this sounds unfair to the movie, but I really have a big problem with the fact that the Bad Guy's dogs are a bunch of Rottweilers and Dobermans, except for the one good dog, which is a Golden Retriever. Peter Docter has a thing for stereotypes, it seems. I've been actively fighting BSL(Breed-Specific Legislation), which is intended to ban and kill dogs based soley on their breed, using negative stereotypes as the basis. We sure didn't need for a Pixar movie to reinforce that. I'm also not happy with the fact that once again, the "Good Guys" can get by with practically anything, even murder, and no one even questions how they wound up with that derigible or anything, just as no one questions Mike or Sulley about what happened to Randall. I know that might sound petty, but this whole thing would probably prevent me from enjoying the rest of the movie, so I haven't gone to see it. pitbulllady That irked me when I first saw it too (I didn't know before I saw the movie), but the story easily makes up for it. The three leaders of "the pack" are a Doberman, a Rottweiler, and an English Bulldog. The rest are just an assortment of mutts, besides Dug the Golden Retriever. They were all very enjoyable characters. The characters in this movie where a little more just than Mike and Sully. They didn't murder the villain. He pretty much killed himself while trying to kill them.
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Aug 1, 2009 14:20:45 GMT -5
Post by Theophilus Hatta on Aug 1, 2009 14:20:45 GMT -5
Oh, I wish you'd change your mind, pitbullady! It truly is a fantastic and touching movie. Muntz's dog-pack are mostly mutts of the stereotypical 'bad' breeds but they are for the most part only following their Master, and the 'good boy retriever' is similarly stereotypical dumb as a post.
Bampot is right about the cause of Muntz's death as well. It wasn't Mr. Fredricksen and Russell's fault- they are NOT Mike and Sulley- but his own greed and insanity led to a very karmic death.
Unfortunately, it's too late for me to see it. I don't know why, but this movie stayed in this area for the shortest duration of any Pixar movie. It was only in our local theater for one week before being replaced by one of the summer's typical "drinking buddy/road trip/getting l**d" movies. I'm glad to hear, though, that Muntz's death was not the result of Carl and Russell's actions, because I really did not want to think of this old man and this enthusiastic young kid as just a human version of Mike and Sulley. It still bugs me a bit that Peter Docter apparently feels like he HAS to have a "villain", but at least I guess we do get to see how Muntz got that way, as we do with Buddy Pine, instead of just getting that impression that we're supposed to accept that he was always evil, which is what many people believe about Randall.
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Aug 3, 2009 16:43:32 GMT -5
Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 3, 2009 16:43:32 GMT -5
Yeah...I wasn't able to see the movie either do to many complications...a good friend of mine did and gave me a sorta non-spoiler description of the film...which is how I learned about Muntz's death and the dog-pack.
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Sept 27, 2009 15:08:27 GMT -5
Post by Bampot on Sept 27, 2009 15:08:27 GMT -5
DVD comes out November 10. Can't wait to pick it up.
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Oct 6, 2009 11:10:56 GMT -5
Post by lizardgirl on Oct 6, 2009 11:10:56 GMT -5
I'm going to see it on Friday, opening night, and I'm very excited. I love the fact that the main character is an older gentleman.
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Oct 6, 2009 12:04:49 GMT -5
Post by mistica0christina on Oct 6, 2009 12:04:49 GMT -5
I saw the movie myself, actually did enjoy it, can't say the same for my mom though. We had to fill her in on most of it since my three year old brother wouldn't stay put and they spent most of the time walking around outside in the hallway. I thought he would sit for it since it was in 3D but nope, didn't work.
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Nov 23, 2009 14:01:21 GMT -5
Post by mentalguru on Nov 23, 2009 14:01:21 GMT -5
Saw Up a few weeks ago actually.
Not a bad movie definitly touching in some parts. Not Pixar's best but still pretty good.
The thing is though... WHY did Dug HAVE to be a golden retriever (granted I wouldn't have thought of this without PBL). Just make the guy a rottweiler and move on- they didn't HAVE to make him a different 'better' breed... although the other dogs did 'become good', it just struck me as rather unnecessary to make Dug a retriever. If kids have trouble telling certain dogs apart, make him an actual breed where it is BELIEVABLE he'd be a guard dog- like an Irish wolfhound or... something big and strong. You don't GET many retriever guard dogs- which although not weaklings, you can't really compare so the fact that Muntz had one... eh. I guess it could make sense if he had MORE than one- since they are good for 'hunting' and what not (hence their name), but he was the ONLY one.
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(And I have a cross between a retriever and a lab too, or at least, my parents do)
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Feb 2, 2010 15:54:57 GMT -5
Post by Bampot on Feb 2, 2010 15:54:57 GMT -5
UP has been nominated for best picture and I'm a little torn about it. The only other animation to make this milestone is Disney's Beauty and the Beast, which lost to Silence of the Lambs.
Now, I like Up, but I think there were plenty other Pixar films that could of been nominated in the past for best picture. I'm glad for the nomination, but I think other animated movies in the past were more "best picture" quality. Still, it's an odd year. An animated film and TWO sci-fi movies.
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Feb 7, 2010 16:00:25 GMT -5
Post by mentalguru on Feb 7, 2010 16:00:25 GMT -5
Yeah... Up wasn't a bad film- but it wasn't exactly deserving of this nomination IMO. I mean.... it wasn't perfect even in context... then again- what really ever is? But still, I don't get 'best picture' vibes.
I doubt they'll get it anyway.
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Feb 7, 2010 16:48:35 GMT -5
Post by sgtyayap on Feb 7, 2010 16:48:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Up was good in my opinion, right up until Kevin came into the picture. Russell being an idiot who didn't give a crap about Carl's past certainly didn't help.
I'm also convinced that it promotes a certain political movement involving animals. Still, in retrospect, it could've been worse; Muntz could've had snakes, which are quite popular to ban over the years.
In short, it's an uneven mix between a deep, beautiful story about an old man whose wife died, and "kiddy" themes. I agree that it doesn't deserve many awards, as it's just not like other Pixar films, even like Wall-E.
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Feb 7, 2010 17:41:46 GMT -5
Post by mentalguru on Feb 7, 2010 17:41:46 GMT -5
In a bizarre way... Up has some paralles with M.I in some resepcts.
Boo is essentially KEVIN. Or at least how monsters would view her. Kevin- is a lower animal. BOO would have been viewed by monsters in the same capacity. But Boo is of course, more interesting as a character and more engaging of course.
Randall is better than Muntz. Honestly- Muntz is more or less a human form of both Randall and Waternoose combined in some ways.
My favourite character was Carl I think. Grumpy old man with a heart of gold. Hah. I love that.
One thing I liked though was that the characters were pretty grabbing to me- (almost) M.I. grabable. Seems Docter has the luck of the draw when it comes to having characters. But... he seems to have a problem when it comes to specific species and stereotypes. It's a pity.
I REALLY liked Carl (and Ellie!).
I didn't think Russell gave the impression of not giving a crap- but I only saw it once myself and the details are blurry now.
One good message however was that I took which was: A promise to the LIVING is more important than one to the dead. Or at least that's how I wanted to take it. Russell needed Carl.
But overall... I don't think it deserves best picture. It's GOOD (in some ways). But not THAT good.
I doubt though however that Up will get it anyway somehow.
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Feb 7, 2010 18:48:39 GMT -5
Post by pitbulllady on Feb 7, 2010 18:48:39 GMT -5
In a bizarre way... Up has some paralles with M.I in some resepcts. Boo is essentially KEVIN. Or at least how monsters would view her. Kevin- is a lower animal. BOO would have been viewed by monsters in the same capacity. But Boo is of course, more interesting as a character and more engaging of course. Randall is better than Muntz. Honestly- Muntz is more or less a human form of both Randall and Waternoose combined in some ways. My favourite character was Carl I think. Grumpy old man with a heart of gold. Hah. I love that. One thing I liked though was that the characters were pretty grabbing to me- (almost) M.I. grabable. Seems Docter has the luck of the draw when it comes to having characters. But... he seems to have a problem when it comes to specific species and stereotypes. It's a pity. I REALLY liked Carl (and Ellie!). I didn't think Russell gave the impression of not giving a crap- but I only saw it once myself and the details are blurry now. One good message however was that I took which was: A promise to the LIVING is more important than one to the dead. Or at least that's how I wanted to take it. Russell needed Carl. But overall... I don't think it deserves best picture. It's GOOD (in some ways). But not THAT good. I doubt though however that Up will get it anyway somehow. BUT the fact that Peter Docter relies on the same formula in both of his films-helpless cute "victim" and obsessive, inventive intelligent person who becomes "evil" and callous through his obsession and who wants to "hurt" the helpless victim is troubling, in that it shows a lack of creativity on his part. Combined with his reliance on negative stereotypes, this doesn't bode well for any future movies he directs. Basically, just change the names and the species of the "helpless victim" and the "obsessed villain", and that's all you have to do. Both Randall and Muntz were creative, intelligent, inventive types who were obsessed with self-image and regaining(or in Randall's case, gaining, PERIOD)respect of their peers. Kevin and Boo were both cute, helpless characters who were going to be exploited if the "villains" had gotten their way. Randall was scaly and reptilian, while Muntz had a pack of vicious dogs consisting of Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, Bulldogs, Dobermans...all stereotyped as "killer" dogs by the media. It's bothersome that a Pixar guy would be so uncreative. pitbulllady
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