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Post by Theophilus Hatta on Feb 16, 2013 19:13:37 GMT -5
So I've been skimming the various threads that have cropped up about Randall in Monster's U, and seems you guys have established some Very Firm Ideas about Ran's role in the upcoming film. And that's cool. Instead of going hither-and-yon to bring up my thoughts, I thought I'd start a new thread.
First, I'd like to point out-- TRAILERS LIE. They lie like rugs. Never trust them. They are filled with lines put at wrong moments, scenes that never actually happen in the movie, and usually show everything out of order and outside down. Trailer. Lie.
Second, games are not the movies. Different. Universes. Cannon in the game isn't cannon for movies.
That said, it looks like this might be a Randall and Mike movie. Which. Is. Awwwwesome. (I know a bunch of you hate Mike. I get it. But I like him, so this is super neat). I doubt Randall will get his own movie, as from the MI's perspective, he was the warm-up villain. But a combo with Mike is a neat idea. Randall, Mike and Sulley were the main monsters in MI, so it makes sense they all get a movie together.
This Very Firm Idea that MU/Mike/Sully will turn Randall dark is SILLY. I know you guys love to speculate about the angst, but really. It's university. People are changing into grownups. There ARE personality shifts. And it's not Randall was eeeevil in MI. He's not nasty. He was grumpy and irritable. Kinda jerky, but mostly a grumpy grape. (I think he needed a vacation. Or more coffee. maybe less coffee)
The point is, there's nothing to say he can't be a sweet kid AND a grumpy grape, AT THE SAME TIME. Randall's an overworker type, the kind who gets very stressed over projects and a bit of a perfectionist. (Hermione at exam time). Also, I think he's a stress baker (that would explain the cupcakes. cupcakes and coffee. yummy)
My idea is that he wasn't a Scaring Major. Maybe he was an engineer. Or an arts major (also explains cupcakes?). A something else major. And Mike convinced him to try scaring with him. (Or Sully did something that make them make a pact to beat him at his own game, Scaring) (but I don;t like making sully the villain))
THIS could drive their later antagonism. Because we KNOW Mike didn't hack it as a Scarer, but Randall is a really good scarer. One or both of them gets a sore head about it and their friendship is broken. (and we saw how Mike deals with drama in MI. Don;t think either of them would get over this). MU seems to be about freshie year, and drifting apart early works in terms of story telling, easy to have that guy-who-was-an-arse-great-have-to-work-with-them-now.
It would make a interesting divergent story path. Both find talents in something they didn't expect.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 16, 2013 19:43:00 GMT -5
We've noticed some of those "trailer tricks" before and had managed to reveal the truth in them. Some have skilled eyes to notice, and Pixar may be unaware of that skill hm hm hm hm.
I think it's the teasers that generally are the "liars"...but yeah, some trailers can be manipulated...but for the most part if your careful you can pick through the truth.
Games however, unsure how that came up, do have at the least, environments and situations on par with the original material. MU, is well, MU. What occurs in them can be different, but there are connections that can be made.
Well Pixar is aiming to push Sullivan and Wazowski's "rivalry" as the main thing. As much as we'd want to put Randall in...they seem firm on that. BUT, Randall is getting more in this time...and, as I stated recently, we'll see HIM before we see Sullivan, which is a very interesting approach...
That's...harsish to call it silly.
Randall may be at this point a...implosive person. Wherein he's a nice guy, but he doesn't aim for confrontation...and may let it out in different ways.
I'm still not 100% sure on the baking but...hey...unique way to get that anger out by beating some...dough??
Well, the trailer trick implied that Sullivan was the Scare Major, but from the evidence collected, it's pointing to Randall.
His engineering talents...however...open up the possibility that it may be his secondary. And may lead to something involving the School of Door Technology (and the events that occur around it).
The pact idea is a nice one. Maybe...Wazowski gets...edgy toward Randall for some reason.
Sullivan's his own villain really...
I think Randall is scareing major, and has what it takes, but Wazowski doesn't. Needless to say the later is getting all these "you don't have what it takes"...and maybe Wazowski feels Randall "left him behind" or wasn't "tutoring right" or whatever.
I think Wazowski's path is about that. About finding his "true calling". Each one of them, I think, have their own path that's identifiable with different people, as they go through college. Who you are, who you want to be, what changes you, what seems hard/easy...we see this all through the three of them. Some outcomes are good (Sullivan), some are negative (Randall), others unexpected (Wazowski).
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Post by Theophilus Hatta on Feb 16, 2013 20:48:42 GMT -5
We've noticed some of those "trailer tricks" before and had managed to reveal the truth in them. Some have skilled eyes to notice, and Pixar may be unaware of that skill hm hm hm hm.
I think it's the teasers that generally are the "liars"...but yeah, some trailers can be manipulated...but for the most part if your careful you can pick through the truth. I still never trust a trailer. They like to misdirect and you can't really spot a fake scene (well, a scene that never happens) until you actually see the movie. Like Mr Incredible failing to get in his super suit in the commercials, or more recently Tooth Fairy telling her fairy to take no prisoners in the trailer. Animation's never used in the final film. Games however, unsure how that came up, do have at the least, environments and situations on par with the original material. MU, is well, MU. What occurs in them can be different, but there are connections that can be made. I know some people like to cling to "X happened in the game, so X must exist in the movie" even when it doesn't...fit. Pixar is aiming to push Sullivan and Wazowski's "rivalry" as the main thing...
Yes, I get that. What I'm saying is that Sullivan looks like the "baddie" and Randall&Mike look like team "good". It's like a flip of MI almost, where Randy was "bad" and Mike&Sullivan were "good". It's really interesting to see where this will go. That's...harsish to call it silly. That's the first time I've heard the word "silly" described as harshing something. My point is your Very Firm Ideas, pardon the pun, bog you down. I understand it's a popular theory, but the board must also be flexible to really get ideas going. Randall may be at this point a...implosive person. Wherein he's a nice guy, but he doesn't aim for confrontation...and may let it out in different ways. I'm still not 100% sure on the baking but...hey...unique way to get that anger out by beating some...dough?? Some good points. I have no idea what's with the baking, it's just fun to speculate. (I stress-bake and I stress-clean-- repetitive tasks can be soothing.) Well, the trailer trick implied that Sullivan was the Scare Major, but from the evidence collected, it's pointing to Randall. I think Randall is scareing major, and has what it takes, but Wazowski doesn't. Needless to say the later is getting all these "you don't have what it takes"...and maybe Wazowski feels Randall "left him behind" or wasn't "tutoring right" or whatever. Yes, I get that. A minor in engineer does make sense... yes, I like the door thing. My theory is that Randal wasn't a Scaring Major to start with, but Mike convinced him to try scaring with him. I like the idea that the fact Randall was good and Mike wasn't damaged their friendship (possibly born of being roommates). The "left behind" idea is good. Mike gets edgy when he's not the star after all. Sullivan's his own villain really... I don;t like the idea of Sullivan being the villain. He's still Sully. He's not deliberately cruel, he's a nice guy. A bit dumb and unthinking, but nice. Very dumb jock. As the ANAGONIST, yes I can see him being that, but not a villain. I heard somewhere they was supposed to be a jockvsnerd thing, and that sounds fun-- I'd like this to be a movie with no big villains, just both sides having a conflict. I think Wazowski's path is about that. About finding his "true calling". Each one of them, I think, have their own path that's identifiable with different people, as they go through college. Who you are, who you want to be, what changes you, what seems hard/easy...we see this all through the three of them. Some outcomes are good (Sullivan), some are negative (Randall), others unexpected (Wazowski). Yes, I like that a lot. Very nicely phrased. |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 16, 2013 21:00:14 GMT -5
Considering it's something to work with over pure speculation, it's at least credible in some fashion.
I personally don't. Some things can, but not everything. It's still material worth looking into.
I...the thing is, most Sullivan fans will not say he's a jerk. But he is. But when people SAY that, they're not saying he's the bad guy. But if things are focused more on Wazowski, it DOES technically make him an antagonist. I mean he's directly, at least in Wazowski's mind, an obstacle.
In the end, Sullivan gets in a position of choice...and he makes the right one, and changes for the better.
The board is flexible. I'm assuming "your" is referring to me...but I open to possibilities and use the information I have to observe their credence .
I agree. We're unsure where the muffins come from, but an assured thing is that it appears to be a friendly gesture on Randall's part.
Monsters want to be scarers to...well as explained in some material they are considered like what every monster want to be.
With your theory however....the credence is this. Randall's...theme here seems to be about change. Whether it be change for the better or worse. SO....you have a good theory. Perhaps Wazowski gets edgy that HIS suggestion proves to be good for Randall while he himself is flailing.
Being your own villain doesn't make you the villain. It's an internal struggle. A person can be a jerk, but inside be tormented.
The only one I see that has credence as the main antagonist is Johnny...
It's a generalization I made over at the Planet, which I think fits. It's...different themes for the general mass of those who go to college. It is, like Randall's theme, about changing and developing.
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Post by Theophilus Hatta on Feb 16, 2013 21:23:11 GMT -5
Oh, you posted back quick! Awesome dude.
I didn't say it wasn't credible, just that there are other ideas out there. From the perspective of someone coming back for a long absence, just feels like things have gotten a staggant in the thinking here. Not trying to step on toes, just move on from things discussed and get new ideas flowing.
*nods* I'm all for antagonism and jerkyness. Just not true villainhood like Waternoose.
Can I just that a moment to go aasdfghkjgfCUPCAKES. Because seriously that it the most shocking, beautiful thing. Randall. Cupcakes. Friendships. Addddorable. I really hope that's actually in the movie, Randall with his heart(?)covered cupcakes.
(another cupcake theory: maybe his fangirls gave them to him. He's an attractive boy. geeks have their own fangirls)
I wonder where glasses went...
Very wise words.
Johnny? who's Johnny?
Yeah, it's a good point you make. Not everyone learns the same lessons and not everyone needs the same lessons anyway.
=also=
No, you is just the general "hey you reading this, you". if I meant you , RB, directly, I'd say "hey RB". I dislike the vague snideness the internet likes to get into by never refering to people by their usernames when they are miffed at username.
(sorry if I ramble on a bit, haven't posted on a board that isn;t strictly for school in a while)
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Post by mintygreen on Feb 16, 2013 21:24:34 GMT -5
It's definitely true what you write in your opening post.
I'm not actually taking anything dead serious yet about his character....it's just really fun to talk and speculate things, but in the end I really have no clear idea as to what they will do with his character in this movie.
Also the cupcakes COULD be a prank you know....I mean, someone could have spiked them with something. You never know. I'm not even saying that Randall necessarily spiked them if they are infact a prank...could be someone else did, then passed them to Randall and Randall has no idea that they're spiked.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 16, 2013 21:33:09 GMT -5
Well not quick...kinda in a throttle here going between a lot of things including these posts...
Some things just like to be discussed more than others because either it's humorous or pleasing or just entertaining.
On that, Waternoose is said to be in this, given the new actor. As Monsters Inc. was shown...wonder how he takes part here...he's probably just a call out, and not the antagonist, but still...
Muffins and Cupcakes, ugh...OK I'm no cook.
I believe it is...maybe it's something connected to Wazwowski "Getting in shape" (thus he'd probably not want the offered CUPCAKE, got it right heh) to take on Sullivan.
WELL...the girls in the jock thing regularly go for jocks...BUT...THAT would be something to see heh heh heh...would explain if those are really hearts heh.
I have a theory on that.
Thank you.
You...ah you haven't been back in a while right. Johnny is the big purple monster "leader" of the ROR Fraternity. You see him closest to the camera in the anthem shot.
Exactly. For viewers it gets to your "college" you, or it's equivalent...but it's really just about that "time" when we start to have a change in our lives.
Ah alright. I was the only replier so far (didn't want your topic to be left to hang), so it was all I had to go on.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 16, 2013 21:35:51 GMT -5
Prank cupcakes? Well...with the pranking and the two being "geekish" it's an...interesting thought...
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Post by Theophilus Hatta on Feb 16, 2013 21:54:46 GMT -5
It's all good RB
Oh, prank / spiked cupcakes-- didn't even think of that, Minty! Interesting idea.
Getting into shape-- oh, maybe!
Please spill the hearts theory RB~ Please~
Waternoose is in this? Yeah, he's got to be a call out. If he was Big Bad in MU, no way any of the trio would trust him after in MI.
Waternoose did say he knew Sullivan's dad, didn't he? Maybe they're on the board of directors together.
Ah, I didn't know we knew anyone's elses names yet! Thanks.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 16, 2013 21:59:39 GMT -5
Goody.
Yeah that was an out-of-the-box idea.
The next shot, know it's a cutaway, has Wazowski on treadmill. Needless to say there may be "montage" moment in the film of Wazowski failing to get in shape, and guess the cupcakes could be declined (which MAY be taken to heart, hehe, by Randall in a bad way)
Actually the theory was about the glasses. I'm...working on something related to that...so I'll speak it then. Don't want to spoil the emotional response it gives.
Apparently. Yes, Waternoose is either a speaker, appears during the MI raid...or something. If he does encounter them he'll be all good and gracey.
Ha ha...oh no...now I have to post that entry of mine that pairs with Recalling heh heh.
Credit for the name finding goes to....I...can't remember. I was focusing on Randall at the time and didn't study as much of the material as I was able. But yes, his name is Johnny (I was close with Al...I mean...I GUESS heh)
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Post by mintygreen on Feb 17, 2013 1:29:45 GMT -5
(another cupcake theory: maybe his fangirls gave them to him. He's an attractive boy. geeks have their own fangirls) I wonder if Randall has ever been popular with female monsters. |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 17, 2013 1:32:39 GMT -5
Maybe Celia has something involved with that *shrugs*
But I guess in the female perspective, Ran's got that whole "sexy" thing when he looks older and that whole "adorable" thing when he's younger....maybe the cupcakes are that...
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Post by mintygreen on Feb 17, 2013 2:23:32 GMT -5
Maybe Celia has something involved with that *shrugs* But I guess in the female perspective, Ran's got that whole "sexy" thing when he looks older and that whole "adorable" thing when he's younger....maybe the cupcakes are that... Well some other people might still see him as sexy when he's looking younger and everything. I don't know. I mean, it's not like he's a little kid or something. It's just in my case I think he's more cute/adorable like that and then gets sexy when he starts to look a bit more adult to me. |
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Post by TheOnePistol on Feb 17, 2013 9:06:45 GMT -5
Maybe one of the pranksters had the cupcakes delivered to Randall and Mikes room and Randall is the one that answered the door and the scene in the trailer is him showing Mike the cupcakes in a "I'm not too sure about these" kind of way.
As for Celia, I think she is just gonna be a background character. Maybe Mike has a crush on her, but I don't think they get together in MU or anything, seeing how MI is ten years later and from the looks of it, they weren't married by then. I mean, who stays in a relationship for ten years without getting married? lol
And Randall's glasses and why he appears to not have them. Well Mike was trying to look scary in the mirror and took his retainer out. So maybe Randall did the same with his glasses. Their both just trying to look a little less nerdy and more scary.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 17, 2013 12:50:44 GMT -5
I'm wondering about the deal with the glasses myself. In all of the toys and promo pics we've seen, Randall is wearing glasses. Yet, in the trailer and the YouTube video, he's not wearing them. Perhaps like so many kids who enter college Randall is trying to "find himself" and shake an earlier image that he didn't like because everyone else had convinced him it was "uncool", an image of a nerdy, Goody-TwoFour-Shoes, and ditching the glasses was his way of trying to show everyone else that he could be "cool", too. I know I see this all the time with students of mine who are visually-impaired; they often will refuse to wear their glasses because they associate wearing glasses with being nerdy or geeky and they would rather come off as tough and "hard" because that's what culture says is "cool" nowadays. When I first got glasses way back when, I was extremely self-conscious about them and didn't want them at all, but my eyesight had gotten so bad that there was no way I could even get around much without let, let alone drive a car, and I really wanted that driver's permit! It seems to me that in this movie, Mike is going to be the one character who really remains consistent in his behavior, and that Sulley and Randall will both undergo major changes over time. Sulley will learn to become humble and appreciate others, while Randall will do whatever it takes to be accepted and fit in with the popular crowd and shake that nerd image.
Now, the cupcakes...SO much to speculate on here. Many of us assume that Randall baked them, but that might not be the case. Maybe Mike's mom baked them and had them delivered to the campus, and Randall was simply the one who picked them up or answered the door. I DO strongly get the vibe, though, that early on at the University Randall tried really had to become friends with Mike, following him around, sitting next to him in the lecture hall, perhaps tried a bit TOO hard and wound up creeping Mike out, either that or their "Felix and Oscar" personalities wound up clashing a too much, and the guys at ROR picked up on Randall's loneliness and desire to fit in and promised him their friendship and support and popularity in return for his absolute devotion and obedience. That's how gangs and cults and other groups with less-than-honorable intentions gain the loyalty of recruits, by promising to be the friends/family that the recruits don't have. I'd still be happy, though, if this movie has no real villains, no real "bad guys". A movie does NOT need a villain to succeed, story-wise, after all, and I'd love it even more if Pixar emphasized that how people act often IS dependent on their situations and circumstances rather than simply being "good" or "bad" from the start.
Adding to this...Waternoose will surely come across as a good guy in this IF he appears in their college days. In the original, Sulley says something to the effect that Waternoose has been like a "father" to him and specifically says that Waternoose taught him to be a Scarer, so obviously they were very close. One of the scenopses that I've read on MU is that Sulley comes from a long line of Scarers, so he's already got a family reputation to back him, and it's not a stretch to imagine that his family and the Waternooses were close, in spite of Sulley really giving off this quasi-"good ole boy" vibe in both movies that seems rather at odd with Henry J. Waternoose's cultured, old-money veneer. The other possibility, one that supports TheOnePistol's theory, is that MU will actually start out shortly after the first movie ended, perhaps at Waternoose's trial, and the testimony given will start Mike and Sulley to wondering how it all went so horribly wrong, how a guy they'd started out as friends with could wind up doing such awful things and realizing that Waternoose was behind all that, too, probably with some assistance from the ROR fraternity. THAT might provide an opportunity to bring Randall back in, to testify against his former boss, since Randall would really hold even more of a key to getting a conviction than Mike's video tape.
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