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Post by randylizard on May 5, 2015 1:52:20 GMT -5
The CDA agent could neither confirm nor deny, but the child actually WAS there. So I really hope the third movie will come out soon and it won't take another 12 years. Looks like what happened in MU was only the first iteration of ruining Randall's beautiful self. I believe it was mostly result of his own mistakes. I haven't seen "Party Central", but, judging by the cards at the end of MU, Randall successfully completed the university. The third variant is the most likely, and for the same reason Randall wasn't in the tv commercial in MI.
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Post by randylizard on May 4, 2015 14:44:39 GMT -5
Today I made an experiment. I called my parents, asked them to watch MI and asked to pay particular attention on Randall. After the movie, I asked what do they think, and their answers were "henchman" and "villain". Sure, I then tried to explain the real things, and at least they agreed that things were not black and white, and they said it was very hard to notice. So, they confirmed what I said above.
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Post by randylizard on May 4, 2015 13:14:43 GMT -5
Well, then, it's better to have a Pixar's movie in 2013 than a "cheap-quel" in 2004. And I have finally watched it! What can I say? Instead of feeling bad for Randall, now I feel horrible for him! Sorry, I can't express my feelings in a foreign language. Did you see that cutie? Do you remember Randy covered with hearts? My heart just dropped! It was the real Randall! Did he deserve to be humiliated? And for what? For nothing. For things that happened beyond his control. I just wanted to... hmmm... break the screen, jump right there and hug him. Now things seem completely wrong. Cutie with golden heart ended (?) his life the way we've seen in MI? But I don't blame Pixar in any way. The guys know their job and had a purpose. What I think is that they have prepared a solid ground for a third movie in which a complete Randall's story will finally be told. Am i right? Are there any plans?
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Post by randylizard on May 3, 2015 15:52:49 GMT -5
Hi pitbulllady, I really enjoy reading your long comments. They are like little books. As I said in another thread, I haven't watched the movie, but plan to do it soon. I know it shows a bad side of Sulley and a good side of Randall and has a message about ethics in Monsters world. I wonder, why did it take 12 long years to start revealing the truth? Were guys at Pixar satisfied with the first movie and were they planning an immediate sequel?
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Post by randylizard on May 3, 2015 11:25:20 GMT -5
This analysis is totally amazing! It casts light on a question I made in another thread: why is Randall's true state of mind so obscure that it's hard for an average viewer to recognize the ongoing tradegy. Partially it's because Fungus is even more submissive than Randall and it helps Randall not to be on the receiving end all the time and allows us to see him as a dominant character at least sometimes. Partially because Randall's interaction with Waternoose is so brief that we can't understand their true relationship, it looks that they're just allies that can't go along very well. Partially because Sulley fails to recognize Randall's inner drama because of his slight social awkwardness. The main question still remains: why did the creators made it so? For simplifying the movie? Leaving a potential for a possible sequel?
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Post by randylizard on May 3, 2015 10:05:21 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more... When Randall became top for a minute, Waternoose ignored him, but when Sulley returned his position (with violating physical laws: containers appeared from nowhere!), he immediately began to publicly praise Sulley... So 'fair'. And, as you noticed, both Randall and Sulley were pawns in Waternoose's hands, and Randall completely depended on him and that made his situation hopeless. But I think 'Stupid, pathetic waste' were Randall's words. He probably was projecting his own hidden feelings about HIMSELF onto his helpless rival. That was a result of the affect in which Randall fell after Sulley destroyed the result of his 2.5-year hard work.
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Post by randylizard on May 3, 2015 8:49:41 GMT -5
Thank you randallsnape7 for detailed answer, however, it contains spoilers so I skipped reading until I actually watch the movie. I hope I do within the next few days. Those haters will hate, every character has them. There is a BIG reason for turning a nice guy into an apparent villain and they can't admit it. I wonder how many of haters and neutral watchers were proven wrong and changed their mind about Randall. If there is enough, I will say I'm satisfied that Pixar has restored the justice.
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Post by randylizard on May 2, 2015 18:49:07 GMT -5
Compensation? I heard about it. Aggressive behavior may be a way of hiding internal insecurity and vulnerability, while humble persons can be very strong and confident inside. This is exactly the case. Still the movie doesn't give us any clues, and Randall's behavior looks unacceptable with no reason.
He didn't even finish opening all the stalls, which means he did it only to vent another portion of persistent anger... His nerves had been really worn out. Poor Randall.
Agreed! He needed a shoulder to cry to begin healing, but didn't have one because of his psychological state and behavior. Trap with no exit.
Also I remembered one more moment that seemed strange: when Randall says "even Sullivan is going to be working FOR ME", while, obviously, Waternoose wasn't going to pass direction to anyone. Now it's understandable: it was another hollow promise he made to keep Randall going.
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Post by randylizard on May 2, 2015 17:55:59 GMT -5
I'm curious: what happened to Randall's public perception after MU came out? Did anybody see any changes? I still haven't watched MU, but it looks like Randy is a nice guy there.
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Post by randylizard on May 1, 2015 15:07:18 GMT -5
Ok, here is my story. Sorry for mistakes (I'm not a native english speaker).
Monters, Inc has always been one of my all-time favorite movies. I watched it many times, I like its unusual story, characters, visuals. But I never paid particular attention at Randall's true story. I was an "average viewer" who thought that Randall and Waternoose were equal villains, both conceived an evil plan and both got what they deserved. Beautiful disney-ish picture, isn't it? However, I always liked Randall for his charisma, beauty, grace, and his amazing green eyes. The only moment that I never understood was the second scream extractor scene when Waternoose accused Randall of losing Sulley and said he was twice a scarer Randall will ever be. Rude, blatant, humiliating lie. Too much even for a true villain. What was the reason? I had no idea until I browsed some casual fanart on Deviantart and came across Pitbulllady's very thorough comments on Randall's pictures. They made me rewatch the movie in an entirely different light and basically rediscover the movie. Now the puzzle of this complicated movie seems solved. Yes, it was Waternoose who put psychological pressure on Randall, cynically playing on his flaws and fears. Yes, Randall got exhausted and it led to his ugly behavior and losing his mind control. Yes, Sulley and Mike participated in this game without even noticing. Yes, the competition probably intentionally was made unfair with those "slumber parties" and unclear counting.
I still don't understand why Randall's true motivation is so obscure in the movie. The creators just made us assume that Randall was a true villain from the beginning and almost never gave us a reason to cast doubt on this assumption. It's totally unfair. I feel SO sorry for him.
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