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Post by RandallBoggs on Apr 9, 2005 14:28:33 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Greenstars on Apr 10, 2005 1:05:18 GMT -5
Hey there Greenstars. This may be a bit belated, but welcome to the board! ;D Hope you like it here. (By the way, as already stated, Randall's not a villian ^_^) Thank you for the warm welcome! This is by far the best board I've joined with very nice members to boot.
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Post by Light Rises on Apr 10, 2005 1:54:51 GMT -5
Aw, gee...*feels like a numbskull* I'm a bit belated too -- and I apologize for that -- but welcome to Boggs' Board, Greenstars! Feel free to make yourself at home.^^ This is by far the best board I've joined with very nice members to boot. Thanks muchly. That's a wonderful compliment. ~Light Rises
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Post by lizardgirl on Apr 10, 2005 5:27:52 GMT -5
Yeah, we're all lovely people...on this board...I mean...we COULD be mass-murderors in real life, but hey, I'm not willing to reveal anything. ;D
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Post by RandallBoggs on Apr 10, 2005 11:38:53 GMT -5
Strange...... Strange how SO many people consider Randall a villain....and sometimes his fans too....
But nope ^_^ Randall's a nice guy inside, and we're all nice guys......
*looks around*
Uhh.....and...girls heh heh... ;D
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Apr 10, 2005 13:01:38 GMT -5
Thank you for the warm welcome! This is by far the best board I've joined with very nice members to boot. No problem. ^_^ Thank you for such a nice comment!
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Post by Mirage on Apr 10, 2005 13:14:36 GMT -5
Eek, I didn't say hi yet...! Well: Hi, fellow Randall-lover!! Like LGBB said...*drops knife* ;D Everyone here is great; in real life, too! *kicks it away* Heh heh heh....
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Post by RandallBoggs on Apr 10, 2005 13:15:55 GMT -5
*Has sword hitched into a back scabbard* ......I'm fine with this ^_^
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Post by Greenstars on Apr 10, 2005 20:48:46 GMT -5
Strange...... Strange how SO many people consider Randall a villain....and sometimes his fans too.... Weeeell... I have my reasons to believe that he is a villain... but that's just me. I can't pass him off as a benevolent person because... well, he did have a very nice opportunity to kill Sullivan when he was dangling off the edge of the door while chasing Boo, and Randall didn't seem to hesitate in stepping on his fingers, most likely with the hope of watching him splatter into oblivion. This is just my take on the whole thing. The guy did afterall attempt murder twice, if not assault at the very least, and I can't quite help but wonder what good or morality a person could posses when they seem capable of it. I want to hear your guys' take on it. Keep in mind though that I'm not saying this with the intention of causing a stir. I totally respect your opinions and anything else you have to say. =)
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Post by tailmister on Apr 10, 2005 23:36:39 GMT -5
Well, those are some pretty good points, and in some ways I agree with them.
I'm not saying that Randall is totally innocent at all, but also not as guilty as the movie portrays him to be.
I'll try to make the reply brief.
No Hope + Oppertunity = Chance to prove himself
No proper Sleep + Sullivan winning 3 years in a row = Not so nice attitude and jelousy towards sullivan.
Destruction of S.E. + Lack of Knowledge that 'Kitty' likes Boo = Thinks Sullivan is just there to ruin his life, just found efforts gone to waste, has anger towards Sullivan.
No proper Sleep + No oppertunity + Revenge + No Hope = A Deadly, and untimatly, tragic consequence.
I'm almost sure Pitbullady and others on the board can explain this a whole lot better. I should know, they've been explaining this to me for quite some time.
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Apr 11, 2005 5:44:57 GMT -5
Well, yeah, if you don't look too far into it, he is a villain. But ... I dunno. I'm a villain fan, and he doesn't seem like one. He was mean to Sullivan though. I mean, everyone here acts like they know of his past. They said on the commentary, "Randall was possibly a bully at school" how do you know that Randall was just looking for trouble?
I dunno ... I refuse to believe this, but everyone looks too far into things to make this guy completely innocent. And I love Ran, it's just that sometimes I wonder if what I think about him is the truth, or am I just liking another villain? O__o;
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Post by lizardgirl on Apr 11, 2005 10:07:16 GMT -5
I always thought of Randall as someone who was...well, not exactly an angel- he admittedly has done some terrible things- but I find that when a child is born, if they are not evil, it doesn't mean that they won't grow up to be evil, since events in a person's life can really change their personality. If Randall were given the chance, I'm sure he could be as 'nice' as anyone else. ;D
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Apr 11, 2005 13:33:06 GMT -5
I always thought of Randall as someone who was...well, not exactly an angel- he admittedly has done some terrible things- but I find that when a child is born, if they are not evil, it doesn't mean that they won't grow up to be evil, since events in a person's life can really change their personality. If Randall were given the chance, I'm sure he could be as 'nice' as anyone else. ;D I agree to that. Very nicely put, Cool.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Apr 11, 2005 14:01:03 GMT -5
I was expecting this Greenstars. Fear not....we have our reasons which we will share with you.
About that door chase end. Remind yourself. Well....since you don't yet know EVERYTHING that's happen....let me just say that Randall had side reasons for what he was doing then......
Everyone's capable of hurting someone. You CAN'T call Sullivan innocent by your standards Greenstars. HE assulted Randall several times, Mike in a way too. And he ILLEGALLY banished Randall as well. You MUST condem THEM if your condeming Randall.
Heck. Most of Randall's stress and anger was derived from Waternoose, the TRUE villain of all this.
3 years Tailmister? No. Sullivan has had the scare record for ONE year.
Greenstars....I knew that that you wouldn't get it at first.....Ran's pretty complicated. None of us can explain in one post.....there's allot to go through.
But heck. If Ran's a villain to someone......than that someone calls me a villain as well....
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Post by pitbulllady on Apr 11, 2005 14:37:19 GMT -5
The difference between a true villain, and someone who simply does wrong, is that a villain CHOOSES their path. Randall's path was chosen for him. He was ORDERED, by his boss, to kill any witnesses to the Scream Extractor, including Boo.
Now, Greenstars, before you say, "yeah, but he willingly went along with those orders", consider this: every intelligent being, who is capable of understanding morality and right from wrong, has within them the capability to commit horrible acts, including murder, under the right set of circumstances, and that includes you, me, Sean, any of us-no exceptions. I don't care what your belief systems are, if the right set of circumstances come along, you'll do it. Randall had to have experienced extreme mental and emotional stress over the past several months leading up to the movie. He HAD to have undergone weeks of sleep deprivation, since the only time he would have had to work on the machine AND still work his normal job(can't have anyone suspicious if he doesn't show up to work, can we?)would be nights, weekends, and holidays. Do you know what prolonged sleep deprivation can do to someone's mental and emotional state? I will put it this way: 48 hours or more of sleep deprivation can be so bad, that it is considered torture by the Geneva Convention. On top of that, Randall is working on an illegal project, for someone who makes his contempt of Randall no secret, and who likely(as seen in the movie)wastes no opportunity to tell Randall what a lousy Scarer he is, how he'll never be anything but a loser if he doesn't complete this project, yada yada yada, AND constantly compares him to the guy who replaced Randall as Top Scarer-from a position of JANITOR. And did I mention that the guy who replaced him just HAPPENS to be best friends with the CEO who is having Randall build the machine? We have a situation where this individual must give up all of his free time, all of his social life and whatever relationships he had at the beginning, work in a sunless "dungeon" of a place, STILL work his normal nine-to-five job, endure constant put-downs from his boss, fret over why this one employee-out of how many hundreds-keeps getting "Employee of the Month" month after month, while KNOWING that he most likely got there because he's friends with the boss. Add in the sleep deprivation and inevitable problems with the machine itself, and you have an individual who is teetering on the edge of madness by this point, not really in control of his actions at all.
I know, because I have been through something very similar myself, and I dont' consider myself to be a "villain"
Now, to these already-overwhelming problems, factor in this: Randall knew that Waternoose would stop at nothing to achieve his goals, not even murder or illegal banishment. He'd probably seen others who crossed the CEO get "the treatment". He KNEW Waternoose didn't like him, and when he saw how readily Waternoose "banished" his close friend, James P. Sullivan, that would surely have implanted in Randall's mind that if HE were to cross the old crab, or fail to carry out his orders, even WORSE would have happened to HIM! When Waternoose told him to kill Sulley and Mike, all those emotions he'd had to have held in check up to that point just exploded. He saw himself, and most likely was, in a kill-or-be-killed situation, like a cornered wild animal. For him at this point, carrying out his boss's orders were not just a matter of pleasing Waternoose, nor were they a matter of "revenge" on anyone; they were a matter of pure survival. Now, if Randall truelly WERE a "villain", an evil "bad person", as you say, answer me this: Why didn't he kill Boo? He had ample opportunities to do so, had been ORDERED to do so, yet he spared her. You can't tell me he was still going to test the Scream Extractor on her; Sulley had damaged it perhaps beyond repair. By the time he actually got his hands on her, following his releasing the door on which Mike and Sulley were hanging, his logical, moral thought processes were starting to come back "online", and he knew he had to do the right thing: put her back in HER door. If he'd wanted her dead, he could have just dropped her, there and then.
Now, here's another thought: You, me and most of us here have families and close friends, right? We might have our issues, but when our back is to the wall, most of us have someone we can count on for moral support, if nothing else. Believe me, it DOES make a difference as to how we react to situations. There is no evidence, however, to suggest that Randall had any family, not living, anyway. If he did, do you think that they would have allowed Mike to put on his little "company play" about their son's possible death? Do you think that they would have let Sullivan have one second's peace, knowing that he was one of the last people seen with their son right before he disappeared? Just simply having a family he knew would back him up, and who freakin' CARED about him, would have made a difference, but I honestly believed that Randall KNEW nobody gave a rat's @$$ about him, so why should HE give a rat's @$$ about anyone else? People who have no one, will do drastic things, because they just have reached past the point of caring anymore, and if that makes them villains, well, I guess I HAVE been one at some point or another.
pitbulllady
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