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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 13, 2005 16:33:28 GMT -5
............. I think I'll wait till it comes out here heh...
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 13, 2005 17:16:21 GMT -5
Ah! So the "Vipers" are actually F-19 Vipers! I see those every day, living just a half-hour from Shaw Air Force Base-hear 'em a lot, too. THAT brings up something else on my mind, that the US government not only knew of Buddy's weapons-developement projects, but probably were his biggest customer, and most likely commissioned a lot of the gadgets and weapons from him themselves, yet their rep(does anyone else think "Men In Black" here, after reading what Rick richarder does to Kari's memory?)acts all shocked when the Parrs tell him about the island and says he's gonna freeze all of Buddy's finances and be prepared to arrest him...yeah, right. They might not have known about his little vendetta against Supers, but I can promise you they knew about everything else, and gave it their full blessings. I can't help but get the feeling that the connection between Buddy Pine and the US government, or at least the military, went much deeper, and that even if they had "caught" him, he would have at the most gotten a slap on the wrist and been forced to stop his anti-Super campaigne. Think about it-he would have been an extremely valuable individual, not just for the weapons and inventions of his that have somehow found their way into the Pentagon's hands, but because of who he KNOWS. I mean, this is a guy who has supplied some of the world's most notorious terrorist organizations with weapons and technology, so he had to have gained THEIR trust, not an easy task, being an American. If anyone could deliver the head of Osama bin Laden on a silver platter, it would be Buddy. There's no way the government could afford to have him languishing in a jail cell somewhere, or worse yet, dead. That's why I have more and more doubts that he's really dead; after all, no remains were found, were there? Even an explosion like that of the jet would have left SOMETHING, most likely quite a messy LOT of something. It would be just like the government to save him and keep silent about it, letting the Parrs think they've seen the last of ole' Buddy.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 13, 2005 17:26:27 GMT -5
HEHEHEHEH....
HAHAHAHAH!!!! Funny how it compares doesn't it!?
Buddy has a allied relationship with the military like Waternoose to the C.D.A. hehehehe...
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 13, 2005 17:32:46 GMT -5
HEHEHEHEH.... HAHAHAHAH!!!! Funny how it compares doesn't it!? Buddy has a allied relationship with the military like Waternoose to the C.D.A. hehehehe... Yeah, it is funny...in a sorta twisted, messed-up kinda way. I know which one *I* would rather hang out with, though. I'll take an Evil Genius Redneck Geek any day over an Old-Money Corporate Bastard; at least with Buddy, you KNOW if he doesn't like you-none of that fake "grandfatherly" kindness crap like Waternoose was full of! Plus, he's a LOT easier on the eyes(right, Mirage?)than Waternoose-now somebody PLEASE pass the crab dip! pitbulllady
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Post by Mirage on Mar 13, 2005 17:36:38 GMT -5
Yeah, it is pretty funny. Well, more like interesting.
At first when I saw it, I thought there was no way that Buddy could have survived. With Randall, I was absolutely certain that he had not died, but getting sucked into that propellor and then exploding? I was sure that he hadn't survived. Which saddened me because the main reason he became what he was, was what happened to him as a child...and like pitbulllady said, he would be very valuable to the government. Despite his many wrongs (*cough risking Mirage's life after she just pushed him out of the way & took his place*), I still felt some pity for him; all he ever got for having his dreams crushed as young kid was an "I'm sorry," and even after he'd proved that he could be super without having powers, he was told that he was only pretending to be super. So yeah....
But now I'm starting to think there is a chance he's still alive, after all. He could have been saved--of course leaving the family to think he'd perished.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 13, 2005 17:39:38 GMT -5
Yeah please I love crab ^_^ I'm sure Randall would like to take some ^_^
Well..... Maybe it's because we saw him as a kid. I think THAT'S the reason. You saw he was spoiled that his parents didn't spend time with him. So he looked up to Mr. Incridible.
With Randall, we don't see him as a kid. Well at least not in the movie. But you can tell from his eyes that he's had a brutal life. That he's an orphan lost in a world....
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Post by Mirage on Mar 13, 2005 17:40:00 GMT -5
Oh yeah, forget the phony crab@$$ & give me the redhead. I'm not a big seafood fan but this time I'll make an exception!
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 13, 2005 17:52:22 GMT -5
Yeah please I love crab ^_^ I'm sure Randall would like to take some ^_^ Well..... Maybe it's because we saw him as a kid. I think THAT'S the reason. You saw he was spoiled that his parents didn't spend time with him. So he looked up to Mr. Incridible. With Randall, we don't see him as a kid. Well at least not in the movie. But you can tell from his eyes that he's had a brutal life. That he's an orphan lost in a world.... Yep, that's definately what made so many people identify with and feel sorry for Buddy, getting to see him as a little boy, having his hopes ripped to shreds by the one person he felt worthy of emmulating, and being told that he would always be inferior because he wasn't "Super". If only someone could have gotten through to this kid that his immense intellect DID make him Super, inasmuch as physical powers could be considered Super, and that his success alone would have been sufficient "revenge"(while poor Bob sits in a tiny cubicle and gets yelled at by this little runt with a Napoleonic Complex)on his former idol. If people saw RANDALL as a little kid, with what HE had to go through, they certainly would have seen HIM in a much different light, too-or maybe they would still be so overwhelmed by their anti-reptilian bias it wouldn't matter. Buddy, at least, is human, not scaly, so that would make a difference. Plus, even as an adult, Buddy looks younger than he really is(bet he gets "carded" all the time back in the US), and has this innocent "little boy" charm, so that lets him get by with a lot. I don't think Buddy is dead, though, since I've actually seen footage of a guy being sucked into a jet engine and surviving, UNHURT, yet, so I know it can happen. With the zero-point energy gloves, he could have put up his own sort of force-field around himself as protection against the explosion, and used it to transport himself to who-knows-where(the middle of a Louisiana bayou, maybe?), before the Feds catch up to him. I would say, given what I now know about people getting sucked into jet engines, and what I've known for years about the Cajuns in Louisiana, that Buddy's and Randall's chances of survival are just about equal. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 13, 2005 17:59:35 GMT -5
Yes. That would have been a good moral. That you don't need super powers to be a Super person.
That kind of revenge is the same as Randall had planned. Him being above Sullivan like he should be. If only Buddy had realized the same. Then again....I'm not sure if Buddy wanted to show he was BETTER than Bob....
That should be the opening for the next M.I. Randall having a dream of when he was a kid. Being pushed around like he was nothing....
Well actually....kinda. Actually that would prove interesting Pitbulllady. Like I said about Buddy's survival.....
The zero point energy does have a sort of clear blue bubble like texture when encasing it's target. Perhaps Buddy could have done a slight invisiblity trick using the sky to his advantage...
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Post by Mirage on Mar 13, 2005 18:02:53 GMT -5
That's amazing....a guy getting sucked into a jet engine and not getting hurt. Hey, Buddy's got POWER now--there's a much better chance than I thought of him surviving!! And yea...it's cute how he looks younger than his age... ;D
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 13, 2005 18:06:17 GMT -5
Well actually....Buddy could have a higher chance.
He might still have at least one Jet Shoe and a Zero Point glove. Where as Randall lost his only advantage...
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 13, 2005 18:08:05 GMT -5
. Despite his many wrongs (*cough risking Mirage's life after she just pushed him out of the way & took his place*),
About THAT...I got pretty aggravated with him, too, when I first saw the movie, especially since Mirage reminded me so much of another Pixar character who has emerald green eyes and who had been used by HIS employer to do wrong, but the more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think that Buddy DID indeed, have everything under control. After all, NOBODY, other than Helen, could know more about Robert Parr/Mr. Incredible than his "biggest fan". Buddy would have to know Supers-and THIS one in particular-like Steve Irwin knows saltwater crocodiles, and he KNEW that there really was no chance that a Super would actually kill anyone, especially someone completely defenseless. However, this was more a case of Mirage not totally trusting Buddy's judgement, and still being shocked that he would kill the man's children,although Buddy could have thought that was a ruse, since it's not uncommon for enemy combatants(more evidence of a connection between him and the US military)to claim the presence of children to stop a bombing attack. This was apparently something shockingly out-of-character for him, from what she'd known of him(which would seem to be a LOT, *evil laugh*), and I think it totally threw her off-guard, making her see this side to her man she hadn't seen before. That look she gives him during their little exhange later is almost just like the one Randall gives Waternoose when his boss tells him that Sullivan "was TWICE the Scarer you'll EVER be!" One thing is for certain, If they(meaning Buddy and Mirage here, NOT Randall and Waternoose, so do not go there...)ever run into each other again, THAT little incident is going to be the biggest roadblock to rebuilding their relationship, and it's gonna take some serious groveling and sucking-up on his part to get her to deal with it.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 13, 2005 18:13:34 GMT -5
Sorry I'm lost.....what?
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 13, 2005 18:22:49 GMT -5
You remember-when he was interrogating Bob, and had just used the missiles to shoot down the plane with Helen and the kids onboard. He's strutting up and down in front of Bob like a game rooster that's just won a fight, and Bob stretches the bonds of his imobi-ray things and makes a grab at Buddy. Mirage sees it coming, and pushes Buddy out of the way, but Bob grabs HER, then threatens to "snap her in two" unless Buddy releases him. Buddy's redneck side is in full force, so he has to flaunt it and dare Bob to make good on his threat. Of course, Bob can't, and lets Mirage drop-unhurt-to the floor. Later, she is clearly highly P.O.'d about this, and really calls her boyfriend out on his behavior. He tries to defend himself, then sees it's not working, and tries the old, "but SWEETHEART, you know I'd never let...."routine, but it backfires, and that's when Mirage gives him this total "Wrath of Boggs" look, and then pushes him away and gets up and stalks out. She is not likely to easily forgive that particular incident, and no doubt will bring it up every time Buddy does something stupid or insensitive in the future, even if they make it well into their senior years, LOL! pitbulllady
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Post by Mirage on Mar 13, 2005 18:22:50 GMT -5
.One thing is for certain, If they(meaning Buddy and Mirage here, NOT Randall and Waternoose, so do not go there...)ever run into each other again, THAT little incident is going to be the biggest roadblock to rebuilding their relationship, and it's gonna take some serious groveling and sucking-up on his part to get her to deal with it. pitbulllady *LMAO* But seriously, I think you're right. They'll definitely need to reach some kind of understanding about that. I kinda figured Buddy knew that Bob wouldn't kill her--but still, it shocked me, and I *know* it was a major shock to her; about the children, too. Just the look on her face when she hears that there were kids aboard. Anyway, it's interesting to realize how likely it is that he has a connection with the military. I'm really, truly starting to believe he's still alive.
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