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Post by tmazanec1 on Sept 22, 2006 23:36:15 GMT -5
The reason Monster World was in an energy crisis was not so much the increasing sophistication of Human kids, but the growth in per capita energy use as the Monster economy grows and developes. Look, IIRC the number of children doors was 36 million in the Commentary version (that sounds about right). Assume that the monster population is growing as fast as the human population, so the number of human kids per monster stays constant. There is one scare per night. Say there are 3.6 billion monsters (to keep the numbers even). That works out to a constant 10 milliscreams of energy per monster per day. But the energy demand is rising as the monster world industrializes. So demand is exceeding supply, hence shortage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2006 23:38:25 GMT -5
No, actually the population of Monstropolis is only 6.5 million, that's less than New York City.
Of course the rest of the Monster World is unknown, but Monsters, Inc. only supplied Monstropolis and probably the surrounding region.
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Post by tmazanec1 on Sept 22, 2006 23:59:58 GMT -5
But there are only about 36 million toddlers in the World (maybe a few more now, with population growth). The basic argument still applies...humans/monster gives power/monster, which is roughly constant, while power demand/monster is tending to rise in a world something like ours. So the curves diverge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2006 0:01:15 GMT -5
Yes, but we can't accurately predict that without knowing their rate of growth. <shrugs> It's still open to assumption.
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Post by tmazanec1 on Sept 23, 2006 10:43:16 GMT -5
BTW, it is interesting that the movie was made around the turn of the millennium, before the current situation with energy developed.
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Post by lizardgirl on Sept 23, 2006 11:34:11 GMT -5
But there are only about 36 million toddlers in the World (maybe a few more now, with population growth). The basic argument still applies...humans/monster gives power/monster, which is roughly constant, while power demand/monster is tending to rise in a world something like ours. So the curves diverge. True, but I guess both populations would be expanding- ours and the Mon's. If it was at about the same rate, then that'd be fine, as new children would be getting to the age of being able to be scared all the time, so we can only assume that somewhere in the Monster World there's a place where new closet doors are being opened. But, then again, half or even more of the population of our world doesn't even have closet doors- they're common in America, but here, I can't remember the last time I saw a bedroom with a closet. We just use wardrobes instead. Therefore, there would be a massive difference in the amount of scream needed and the amount of scream that was actually being collected, though it does depend on the actual population of the Monster World, too.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 23, 2006 11:43:59 GMT -5
BTW, it is interesting that the movie was made around the turn of the millennium, before the current situation with energy developed. During the summer of 2000, a year and a few months before the movie was released, much of the West Coast of the US was hit by a massive "energy shortage", resulting in "rolling black-outs", overloaded power grids, and other headline-making situations. Utility bills soared, to compensate the primary electric energy provider(more on THEM later) for its costs in trying to provide electricity to the people. The provider stated that there were simply too many people, using too much electricity, for their equipment and personel to keep up with, and that they were suffering financially as a result. In reality, though, they were raking it it at the stock market-and had hired a whole team of people to cover up this fact and make it appear on paper that they were losing money. There was no "energy crisis", either, but this was simply a ruse to charge customers more and more for their product. Eventually, though, they got caught, and it made headlines once more, a year FOLLOWING the movie's release. That energy provider was called "Enron Corporation, Inc.", in case you' were wondering, and many people could not help but to draw parallels between that company and Monsters, Inc. energy provider in the movie, despite Pixar's adamant claims that it was a mere coincidence. I don't believe that there was a really serious energy crisis in the movie, but something that Waternoose had cooked up. This was a way for him to put more money in HIS bank accounts, and eventually be thought of as a hero who solved the "energy crisis" by switching over to this new and innovative means of collecting screams, the Scream Extractor. Problem was, Mr. Waternoose was a businessman, NOT an engineer, so he needed someone to design, build and test the prototype Scream Extractor, before he took care of the legal issues. That someone was a young, naive, insecure and ambitious reptilian monster with a brilliant creative and engineering mind, but extreme ignorance about the business world, who was actually foolish(and yeah, I used that word, having been a young naive fool myself at one time)to believe that HE would actually be rewarded and HE would actually gain the respect of his fellow monsters for doing so. pitbulllady
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Post by lizardgirl on Sept 23, 2006 13:53:30 GMT -5
I don't believe that there was a really serious energy crisis in the movie, but something that Waternoose had cooked up. This was a way for him to put more money in HIS bank accounts, and eventually be thought of as a hero who solved the "energy crisis" by switching over to this new and innovative means of collecting screams, the Scream Extractor. Problem was, Mr. Waternoose was a businessman, NOT an engineer, so he needed someone to design, build and test the prototype Scream Extractor, before he took care of the legal issues. That someone was a young, naive, insecure and ambitious reptilian monster with a brilliant creative and engineering mind, but extreme ignorance about the business world, who was actually foolish(and yeah, I used that word, having been a young naive fool myself at one time)to believe that HE would actually be rewarded and HE would actually gain the respect of his fellow monsters for doing so. pitbulllady *nods* I completely agree. Poor Randall...
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Post by tmazanec1 on Sept 23, 2006 13:59:11 GMT -5
How would he get credit for the innovative scream extractor, with kidnapping children such an enormity (or any entrance of a child into the Monster World)? I think he would continue to do it secretly, and credit his superior training ability for solving the Energy Crisis.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 23, 2006 17:36:22 GMT -5
That's because he was given the approval by a superior in Scare Co. However, this is a classified matter and was not to come to light in Monstropolis.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 23, 2006 20:34:26 GMT -5
How would he get credit for the innovative scream extractor, with kidnapping children such an enormity (or any entrance of a child into the Monster World)? I think he would continue to do it secretly, and credit his superior training ability for solving the Energy Crisis. Waternoose intended to have someone(and we know who that was)design, develope and test the machine, which was only a prototype. From that, he could have had someone else take Randall's design, refine it down to a portable version that could be carried into children's room, and then claim that he, Henry J. Waternoose, had developed the thing in the first place. Randall would most likely have either been "banished", or killed outright, by this point, so he wouldn't be around to argue that HE was the real design engineer behind the machine which "revolutionized the Scaring industry". I have little doubt that Waternoose never intended to reward Randall for his hard work and effort, but to simply use him, and dispose of him, like a plastic fork, since I've worked for someone just like Henry J. Waternoose myself. Randall was just kidding himself if he actually believed he was going to get any compensation for building that machine, but he was young and naive, like I said, and an easy mark for someone like Waternoose to take advantage of. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 23, 2006 20:37:02 GMT -5
Heh. Wouldn't surprise me if the whole Waternoose clan took advantage of a Boggs ^_^
Hehehehe ^_^ Glad Ran's asleep right now ^_^
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Post by tmazanec1 on Sept 24, 2006 5:30:09 GMT -5
Yeah, Randall was young. Someone on another board claimed that scaring, being hazardous duty, would not be allowed to young monsters, but I remember when Americans were REQUIRED BY LAW to take on hazardous duty at 18, when they could not vote until they were 21 (anyone know how old Randall is? His card on the DVD gave a twelve digit ID, but not his birthday).
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Post by lizardgirl on Sept 24, 2006 9:12:55 GMT -5
How would he get credit for the innovative scream extractor, with kidnapping children such an enormity (or any entrance of a child into the Monster World)? I think he would continue to do it secretly, and credit his superior training ability for solving the Energy Crisis. Waternoose intended to have someone(and we know who that was)design, develope and test the machine, which was only a prototype. From that, he could have had someone else take Randall's design, refine it down to a portable version that could be carried into children's room, and then claim that he, Henry J. Waternoose, had developed the thing in the first place. Randall would most likely have either been "banished", or killed outright, by this point, so he wouldn't be around to argue that HE was the real design engineer behind the machine which "revolutionized the Scaring industry". I have little doubt that Waternoose never intended to reward Randall for his hard work and effort, but to simply use him, and dispose of him, like a plastic fork, since I've worked for someone just like Henry J. Waternoose myself. Randall was just kidding himself if he actually believed he was going to get any compensation for building that machine, but he was young and naive, like I said, and an easy mark for someone like Waternoose to take advantage of. pitbulllady And with Randall being part of an ethnic minority, so to speak, then his 'disappearence' wouldn't be investigated and no-one would ever find out exactly what happened to him. Concerning Randall's age, well, personally, I've always considered him to be around mid-twenties, although I don't think it's actually officially stated anywhere his exact age.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2006 9:25:46 GMT -5
Yes his age is stated as 25 during the movie, which would make him 30 now.
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