yoruhoshi
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Post by yoruhoshi on Dec 17, 2005 23:55:47 GMT -5
I wish they would too. I can't stand Sullivan and Wazowski getting all the attention...
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Watcher
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Post by Watcher on Dec 18, 2005 6:47:46 GMT -5
We can all 'hope' ... But I have my doubts when it comes to Disney... (*sigh*)... Oh well...
You know, I recognised the resemblance with the chair... I even wrote a fic once about it... It was a page long about Ran's thoughts... (*shrug*) I think it's funny you brought it up...
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Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 18, 2005 12:07:17 GMT -5
Was that an act in saying I didn't mean Randall's not a villain....
"Far from that thought..."
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Post by lizardgirl on Dec 19, 2005 10:59:21 GMT -5
But then it would all be worth it, wouldn't it? I mean, if there was a sequel in which Randall slowly turns into a good person and does something relatively heroic, I think it would have been worth the original in which he was a 'bad guy'.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 19, 2005 11:28:05 GMT -5
"....No not really....then I wouldn't have been in the mess in the first place!"
No no. I get what she means. Yeah it makes sense I suppose.....
But stories like that hardly are thought of though...and one about Randall particularly....
I know we would.... But could you imagine a little kid watching this once thought-to-be-terrible Mon spilling his soul out?
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 19, 2005 12:12:13 GMT -5
But then it would all be worth it, wouldn't it? I mean, if there was a sequel in which Randall slowly turns into a good person and does something relatively heroic, I think it would have been worth the original in which he was a 'bad guy'. This sort of character arc would be exactly what I would do, if I was in charge! It's always more interesting to see a character undergo a change, especially from "bad" to good, as is the case with Mirage in "The Incredibles"(even though she probably did it just to get back at her boyfriend), or Stitch in the original "Lilo and Stitch". That is much more interesting than a character that is always predictable and stays the same. I don't think that the audience, in general, is going to just "buy" into the notion that Randall has been this perfect "angel" all along, and if he starts out in the sequel as a "good guy", it's going to seem very fake, and people who remember him from the first one are going to be going, "What the heck happened?" They will need to see a gradual change in his mind-set and behavior, and see a REASON for this change, and yeah, probably see him do something heroic and daring, even altruistic, in order to finally believe that he has changed for the better, or that he "had it in him all along". pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 19, 2005 13:04:39 GMT -5
Is that what your doing Ran?
"Well I haven't been able to get near the computer much...."
Ahem...
"Well just for quick posts like this..."
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babyrandall
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Well What do you Know It scaers little kids and little monsters!
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Post by babyrandall on Dec 20, 2005 23:20:09 GMT -5
hey your right the chair does kind of look like randall!! that's just wrong! maybe insted of making sully a rug we she turn him into a chair shagg-a-del-ic baby!!! lol!!
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Post by lizardgirl on Dec 21, 2005 8:27:50 GMT -5
This sort of character arc would be exactly what I would do, if I was in charge! It's always more interesting to see a character undergo a change, especially from "bad" to good, as is the case with Mirage in "The Incredibles"(even though she probably did it just to get back at her boyfriend), or Stitch in the original "Lilo and Stitch". That is much more interesting than a character that is always predictable and stays the same. I don't think that the audience, in general, is going to just "buy" into the notion that Randall has been this perfect "angel" all along, and if he starts out in the sequel as a "good guy", it's going to seem very fake, and people who remember him from the first one are going to be going, "What the heck happened?" They will need to see a gradual change in his mind-set and behavior, and see a REASON for this change, and yeah, probably see him do something heroic and daring, even altruistic, in order to finally believe that he has changed for the better, or that he "had it in him all along". pitbulllady And then all of those kids out there that will watch this sequel will be taught the fact that there isn't only 'good' and 'bad', and that someone who has done something wrong isn't entirely incapable of doing something right. It's a valuable lesson to know, and all of those kids out there that are addicted to Disney movies that have this defining line between good and bad won't be able to learn it.
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Post by pitbulllady on Dec 21, 2005 11:31:05 GMT -5
People DO need to learn that all of us are capable of doing good or bad things, and that people can change. Without trying to sound "preachy", the whole notion of redemption and being able to turn one's life around is a staple of Christian beliefs. When it comes to ACTIONS, the delineation between good and bad is pretty cut-and-dry, black-and-white, but not so when it comes to PEOPLE. In Disney movies, there has always been a clear-cut hero and an equally clear-cut villain, but real life isn't like that. Kids need to know that, and to know that sometimes people they think of as "good" can do bad things, and that people they think of as "bad" can change for the better.
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Post by lizardgirl on Dec 22, 2005 10:26:08 GMT -5
Yeah, though they usually do that if there is absolutely no possible way for the original villain to return. Luckily for us, we were not shown Randall getting killed in the trailer- he was just hit by a shovel, and although these blows could potentially have killed him, we don't know that for certain, so there's always a possibility that he can return.
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yoruhoshi
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Post by yoruhoshi on Dec 22, 2005 11:37:41 GMT -5
I just hope that if they ever did a sequel, I hope they don't make a new villain and just forget about Randall. Disney had been doing that for a long time! Like Zira from the Lion King 2, Ursula's sister in The Little Mermaid 2 and...eh...well I can't remember all of them, but I know they make new villains and forget the old ones! If they do that in a Monsters Inc. 2, I'm gonna be so mad! I'm feelin ya. I hate when Disney does crap like that...it makes me wanna fry something....and what was the point of Zira and Ursula's sister anyway? Ursula's sister was annoying and then Zira, while insane and wicked like Scarr, wasn't cool like him...
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Post by lizardgirl on Dec 23, 2005 10:23:49 GMT -5
What actually made me laugh about Ursula's sister was the fact that she was practically a clone of Ursula, but she had been on a diet!
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yoruhoshi
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Post by yoruhoshi on Dec 26, 2005 22:26:57 GMT -5
People DO need to learn that all of us are capable of doing good or bad things, and that people can change. Without trying to sound "preachy", the whole notion of redemption and being able to turn one's life around is a staple of Christian beliefs. When it comes to ACTIONS, the delineation between good and bad is pretty cut-and-dry, black-and-white, but not so when it comes to PEOPLE. In Disney movies, there has always been a clear-cut hero and an equally clear-cut villain, but real life isn't like that. Kids need to know that, and to know that sometimes people they think of as "good" can do bad things, and that people they think of as "bad" can change for the better. pitbulllady I agree. I also believe this: People are not born evil and it is also ridiculous to label a person as "evil." A person may do things that are evil and such, but a person cannot be called "evil" unless their soul is wholly consumed by such. Also, I doubt Randall was really evil. Disney decided to portray him in that light because they know that the masses of little children as well as adults who grew up watching their films expect to have villians and heroes. It was obvious that while Randall was ambitious and did some bad things, he was really dedicated to his job and wanted to prove to everyone else that he could accomplish his goal if he kept on trying. Waternoose was another matter entirely. In other words, people (and monsters) in my opinion are not truly "evil" unless it is something they allow to control them, body mind and soul, and Randall, while portrayed cleverly enough by clever enough people to appear evil, most likely wasn't.
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