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Post by randallsnape7 on Mar 29, 2014 11:17:22 GMT -5
As a matter of interest, I looked up online the literal meaning of the name "Randall". I learned that Randall is an English name which literally means 'wolf shield' (it means the same in American). Now, Boggs is a Medieval English last name first recorded in Yorkshire. It is described as an ancient, honourable last name derived from the words 'Boggers', 'Boggas', 'Boggis', and 'Boggs'. The name is also derived from the Middle English 12th century name 'bogeys'. Bogeys is a name that means 'bold', and those who carried the name were looked upon as 'a likely lad'. Someone promising, basically.
From a different angle, the name 'Boggs' is also derived from the word 'bog' (or plural: 'bogs'), and simply put; a bog is a mire where dead plants and moss accumulate.
Sounds like a really gothic-sounding first and last name, but to me, that is actually heartwarming: Severus Snape's name also has gothic, gloomy meanings, but as we all know.... it's what's on the INSIDE that counts.
Randall SoulUrge Number: 2
People with the name Randall usually have a deep desire for love and companionship, and accumulating many friends to achieve peace and harmony.
Randall Expression Number: 8
People with the name Randall are usually very competent, practical, and often obtain great power and wealth. They tend to be successful in business or commercial affairs, and are able to achieve great material dreams. Because they often focus so strongly on business and achievement, they may neglect their private lives and relationships.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 29, 2014 14:02:15 GMT -5
As a matter of interest, I looked up online the literal meaning of the name "Randall". I learned that Randall is an English name which literally means 'wolf shield' (it means the same in American). Now, Boggs is a Medieval English last name first recorded in Yorkshire. It is described as an ancient, honourable last name derived from the words 'Boggers', 'Boggas', 'Boggis', and 'Boggs'. The name is also derived from the Middle English 12th century name 'bogeys'. Bogeys is a name that means 'bold', and those who carried the name were looked upon as 'a likely lad'. Someone promising, basically.
From a different angle, the name 'Boggs' is also derived from the word 'bog' (or plural: 'bogs'), and simply put; a bog is a mire where dead plants and moss accumulate.
Sounds like a really gothic-sounding first and last name, but to me, that is actually heartwarming: Severus Snape's name also has gothic, gloomy meanings, but as we all know.... it's what's on the INSIDE that counts.
Randall SoulUrge Number: 2
People with the name Randall usually have a deep desire for love and companionship, and accumulating many friends to achieve peace and harmony.
Randall Expression Number: 8
People with the name Randall are usually very competent, practical, and often obtain great power and wealth. They tend to be successful in business or commercial affairs, and able to achieve great material dreams. Because they often focus so strongly on business and achievement, they may neglect their private lives and relationships.
I have researched that last name extensively, actually, and if you dig back far enough, there are several threads on that surname. The Boggs surname is actually associated with both Scotland and Ireland, not England, and there has been a close genetic link as well as a historical link to the Livingston/MaClae Clan of Scotland: www.clanmclea.co.uk/forum/show-message.asp?ID=639 and it is considered formally to be a "sept", or "offshoot" if you will, of that larger clan, which means that members of the Boggs clan can wear the tartans for the Livingston and MaClae clans. In the US, the surname is associated with the "Scotch-Irish" ethnic group, and is most commonly found in regions where there were originally large settlements of Scotch-Irish people. The Scotch-Irish themselves were originally Protestants from Scotland, and were driven out of the Highlands by the English in the 1500's and wound up settling in what is now Northern Ireland, and from there migrated to the United States during the 1700's. They are largely associated with the South and the southern Midwest of the US, and indeed, true "hillbillies" are of mostly Scotch-Irish descent. For practical intent and purposes, though, "Boggs" IS a Scottish surname, which traces back to a Viking word(keep in mind that the Vikings invaded much of Scotland and Ireland and exerted a great deal of influence on the Gaelic languages and art work of that period) for a ridge, or balk or boak, that separates two settlements, so rather than being a reference to a low, marshy spot or bog, it actually refers to a HIGH spot, where a look-out could stand. You can read that here, as well as see examples of the Boggs family crest(for the tartan, see "Livingston", as members of the Boggs clan wear those tartans): www.houseofnames.com/boggs-family-crest . South Carolina, where I live, actually had the highest number of original settlers with that last name, and this is where the large number of the Boggs in Indiana(Randall has a STRONG Indiana "Hoosier" accent) originated, migrated North when they did not fit in with the genteel English-dominated plantation society of Charleston and Georgetown. There is also a large population in and around New Orleans, Louisiana, with the Boggs surname, which consider themselves Irish-Americans. Indeed, one of Louisiana's most-famous political families is the Boggs family, and two of their former US House of Representatives were Rep. Hale Boggs and his wife Linday(who passed way recently), and the Federal Building in New Orleans is named the Boggs Federal Building. pitbulllady
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Post by randallsnape7 on Mar 29, 2014 16:26:36 GMT -5
OHO! If Randall can say "AAAAH! AAAAH! AAAAH!" while being hit with a shovel by that Louisiana family, why doesn't he just say plainly "I'm not a gator! My name is Randall Boggs!". The last thing in that scene is Randall screaming "AAAAH!", not another blow from the shovel, so if we were to revisit that scene (a la the Bridge of Khazad-Dum from The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers), and saw what came IMMEDIATELY after that last scream, then Randall could still speak at least for a few seconds longer. If the name 'Boggs' is THAT prominent in that region - the VERY place Randall was banished in, then I would say Randall can stop that beating HIMSELF... just by saying his own "Gort... Klaatu, Barada, Nikto" to get that woman to pay heed... even if he must pass out at the last breath, after the name Boggs is uttered from his mouth. What if, in a 1 in 1,000 chance, that Cajun family's name was actually Boggs, or descendants of that Boggs family? Is this a possibility?
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 29, 2014 16:58:35 GMT -5
OHO! If Randall can say "AAAAH! AAAAH! AAAAH!" while being hit with a shovel by that Louisiana family, why doesn't he just say plainly "I'm not a gator! My name is Randall Boggs!". The last thing in that scene is Randall screaming "AAAAH!", not another blow from the shovel, so if we were to revisit that scene (a la the Bridge of Khazad-Dum from The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers), and saw what came IMMEDIATELY after that last scream, then Randall could still speak at least for a few seconds longer. If the name 'Boggs' is THAT prominent in that region - the VERY place Randall was banished in, then I would say Randall can stop that beating HIMSELF... just by saying his own "Gort... Klaatu, Barada, Nikto" to get that woman to pay heed... even if he must pass out at the last breath, after the name Boggs is uttered from his mouth. What if, in a 1 in 1,000 chance, that Cajun family's name was actually Boggs, or descendants of that Boggs family? Is this a possibility? We don't know the name of that family in the trailer, and given the region and the percentages of various ethnic groups/country-of-origins, it more than likely was a French surname, although there are a lot of what people jokingly refer to as "Irish Cajuns', with names like "Kershaw", "Riley", or "Abshire", and quite a few "German Cajuns", with names like "Guist" or "Schnexieder" and some with Hispanic names, like "Gonzales" or "Ortego". Most people in and immediately around New Orleans are NOT Cajun, though, and do not identify as such. New Orleans is a true melting pot of cultures and nationalities, just like New York, and it has neighborhoods in which certain ethnic groups predominate, again, like New York or Boston. It has an "Irish Channel", for example, and a neighborhood comparable to Brooklyn's famed "Little Italy", made up mostly of Italian-Americans. It has neighborhoods that are mostly Cambodian/Vietnamese. Hale Boggs was born across the border in southwestern Mississippi but grew up and spent most of his life in New Orleans, so he was not Cajun at all. As for Randall's ability to articulate who and what he was to his attackers, that is nearly impossible for a person who is under attack, whose life is in immediate danger, who is in severe pain, to do! That part of your brain involved with speech is shut down, because the only part that is functioning will be the Limbic system and the Parasympathetic Nervous System, which are responsible for "fight/flight" behavior. Randall had no time in which to pause that attack long enough to explain to those people that he was not a "gator"; all he could do was try to escape and deflect the blows. After the first blow to his head, any further thought processes would have definitely ended, and you have to remember that he was ALREADY in a deteriorated mental/emotional state before he was even thrown through that door. He simply was in no state of mind to think of something to say that might have spared him. pitbulllady
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Post by randallsnape7 on Mar 31, 2014 21:11:38 GMT -5
DING!
To quote Max Hudson's fellow shock jocks from "Mr. Monk Is On the Air" (because I don't know what else to say):
"And for those of you keeping track of the score at home, that's:
ROUND 1
Pitbulllady: 1 RandallSnape7: 0!
NEXT debate!"
ROUND 2.... bring it on!
LOL!
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Post by randallsnape7 on Mar 31, 2014 21:17:00 GMT -5
Ahem... SOMETHING is going to have to make that beating cease so Randall will be spared. If there is no Randall Boggs, there is no 'Monsters 3'. That's all I'm concerned about.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 31, 2014 22:04:47 GMT -5
It is gonna take a miracle, but then, I still believe in miracles, in spite of all that I have personally been through. I've seen things change for the better when logically they shouldn't have, when the odds were stacked so high against that happening.
The irony is-and I've pointed this out several times here-is that Cajun culture, and Louisiana culture in general, is such that these people quickly and happily accept anyone as family. They do not care what you look like or how you talk. All it would take is for one instance for people to realize that Randall is a sapient being, a PERSON, and for all they would care, he might as well be human. The belief in sapient monsters is still pretty strong down there in the bayous, so the biggest hurdle is for Randall to get over HIS fear enough to let them know that he's not just some animal.
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Post by randallsnape7 on Apr 5, 2014 22:28:37 GMT -5
Amen to that!
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Post by marsh on Apr 6, 2014 14:01:32 GMT -5
Ahem... SOMETHING is going to have to make that beating cease so Randall will be spared. If there is no Randall Boggs, there is no 'Monsters 3'. That's all I'm concerned about. The beating ceases when Randall stops being shocked and runs/ducks.
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Post by pitbulllady on Apr 6, 2014 14:53:23 GMT -5
Ahem... SOMETHING is going to have to make that beating cease so Randall will be spared. If there is no Randall Boggs, there is no 'Monsters 3'. That's all I'm concerned about. The beating ceases when Randall stops being shocked and runs/ducks. Randall was knocked unconscious; we SEE him go down, completely limp. You can't exactly run/duck if you're out cold. At the very least, he'd have already suffered a bad concussion, and probably a broken jaw. He could possibly be blinded because his eyes are on top of his head, and that's where the shovel first impacts. It's not a matter of being "shocked", but a matter of being physically incapacitated. pitbulllady
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Post by randallsnape7 on Apr 6, 2014 20:02:16 GMT -5
Blinded? Balderdash!
You'd better be talking temporary stuff. Randall has to have his eyesight in 'Monsters 3', and besides... the least ANY animated film ever shows for eye injuries is a black eye that's swollen shut, and THAT'S temporary on every animated character that gets it. Any injury he may end up with is gonna have to be treated and cared for by someone else to the point that Randall is able to recover 100% (and I honestly don't give a hoot how LONG the amount of time we're looking at for a full recovery) so he can return and save Monstropolis AND Boo, as a strong, healthy, and victorious monster.
Randall has a JOB to do. Plus, the movie already proves you wrong about that unconscious business!! The last we heard was 'AAAAH!'. Personally, I say if Pixar comes up with a plot that demands Randall's return... they're gonna MAKE him come back full-force, not anything cheesy or half-baked. WHY? Because Randall has a LIFE to start living by the end of 'Monsters 3'. The least that could happen if Randall appears on-screen looking like he got off better than you or any others originally anticipated might be a few mild shaking heads, or a few verbal 'Whats'.
Ultimately, the STORY PLOT is going to have to call for a complete recovery for Randall Boggs, not our real-world medical field. If he HAS to have scars from the incident, the guys at Pixar can make him look like Gill from 'Finding Nemo', just by adding some jagged black scar lines across either his side, his chest, his back, or his belly. Nothing on the face, because Randall has a public image to keep - both onscreen for future installments as well as marketing and merchandise deals offscreen - so I think it is absolutely mandatory that Randall be allowed to fully recover physically from that trailer incident.
Say what you will, but these are my thoughts, and they're not changing.
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Post by marsh on Apr 7, 2014 9:07:50 GMT -5
The beating ceases when Randall stops being shocked and runs/ducks. Randall was knocked unconscious; we SEE him go down, completely limp. You can't exactly run/duck if you're out cold. At the very least, he'd have already suffered a bad concussion, and probably a broken jaw. He could possibly be blinded because his eyes are on top of his head, and that's where the shovel first impacts. It's not a matter of being "shocked", but a matter of being physically incapacitated. pitbulllady I'm working with a really bad Youtube clip for lack of a better option (don't really want to have to explain to anyone why I'm putting on the movie for the sole purpose of watching one scene I never liked to begin with), but I see the guy falling out of view, then the camera cutting away (actually, he doesn't even seem to fall, but that could just be the bad quality). I don't see anything that suggests he was knocked out, just that he was knocked off balance.
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Post by pitbulllady on Apr 7, 2014 12:06:18 GMT -5
Randall was knocked unconscious; we SEE him go down, completely limp. You can't exactly run/duck if you're out cold. At the very least, he'd have already suffered a bad concussion, and probably a broken jaw. He could possibly be blinded because his eyes are on top of his head, and that's where the shovel first impacts. It's not a matter of being "shocked", but a matter of being physically incapacitated. pitbulllady I'm working with a really bad Youtube clip for lack of a better option (don't really want to have to explain to anyone why I'm putting on the movie for the sole purpose of watching one scene I never liked to begin with), but I see the guy falling out of view, then the camera cutting away (actually, he doesn't even seem to fall, but that could just be the bad quality). I don't see anything that suggests he was knocked out, just that he was knocked off balance. He's definitely knocked out-I have the DVD so I have been able to slow it down and/or pause it-and a hi-definition monitor. When the woman slams him under the jaw with the shovel, he goes down and his arms are completely limp and his head is snapped WAAAY back by the impact, then falls forward, also completely limp. The woman does NOT stop her attack but continues to rain down blow after blow as Randall is lying helpless on the floor, using all her strength. When the scene cuts away, she's still hitting him. pitbulllady
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Post by randallsnape7 on Apr 7, 2014 18:33:14 GMT -5
Yeah.... talk, talk, talk... talk away... but there are 3 powers FAR GREATER than that woman's strength, and every person in the film industry would agree with me:
POWER #1: S-E-Q-U-E-L POWER #2: R-E-V-E-L-A-T-I-O-N POWER #3: TRILOGY CONCLUSION
Eat THAT.
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Post by pitbulllady on Apr 7, 2014 19:27:21 GMT -5
When it comes to movie characters and franchises, M-O-N-E-Y is the ultimate power! That's a GOOD thing, insofar as us Randall fans are concerned, because Disney-Pixar has apparently realized that he's a popular character in a popular franchise, otherwise they wouldn't have included him in MU, so it would be foolish, from a box office finance perspective, to NOT include Randall in the next installment of the Monsters franchise.
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