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Post by randallsnape7 on Mar 23, 2014 22:51:52 GMT -5
As Randall might say: Hello, chums! This thread was created specifically to address the kind of mannerisms, goodwill, and generosity a 'good guy' Randall would have by the end of 'Monsters 3' and beyond. It is not meant to discuss all the moral and emotional issues Randall currently has with Mike and Sulley as it stands by the end of 'Monsters, Inc.', that's already been discussed on other threads, over and over again.
Examples would be more along the lines of simple things, like the everyday deeds Randall would do for Mike and Sulley, once they all start living together in the house/apartment as lifelong buddies. I'm supposing he'd be a little like when we were first introduced to him in 'Monsters University', a bright smile and a polite, excited voice.
Do you think Randall would ever play games with Mike and Sulley? Would he cook things for them in the kitchen? Would he pour through books on their bookshelf and read a good novel, or maybe teach them some interesting facts and knowledge in a monster encyclopedia? What kind of hobbies do you think Randall would get for himself? Is there anything new and unique that Randall's simple, everyday presence would add to Mike and Sulley's lives?
What about bedtime? Once Mike and Sulley have gotten in bed for the night, do you think they would invite Randall to snuggle with them? I personally think they would! I bet Randall would be touched and delighted to get to sleep peacefully next to them both, knowing that he will never again be mistreated or humiliated. I would dearly love to see Randall walk forward and join Sulley and Mike on the big bed we see in 'Monsters, Inc.', and take that final sigh of contentment as he closes his eyes, relaxes, and drifts off to sleep. Randall deserves a good, peaceful rest... at long last. |
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 23, 2014 23:41:10 GMT -5
Uh, no, I do not see any three-way snuggling between Mike, Randall and Sulley or even between any two of them because audiences today, even little kids, are not going to see anything at all platonic in that. I do not think most parents are going to go for that either, because the implications are going to be anything BUT "just friends" or platonic in this day and age. I don't even see the three of them living together except in a situation where they are forced to do so. IF Mike's relationship with Celia Mae got anywhere, Mike would be married to HER now, or at least have moved in with her. I can see a friendship and cooperation, sure, but nothing more than that. These are, basically, grown MEN, just not of the human species, after all. And even in today's more "progressive" and permissive and tolerant societies, I do not think that we are anywhere near to the point that a movie aimed at ALL ages, including the very young, that features what amounts to two, let alone three adult men sleeping together and caressing and touching one another in a bed is going to go over too well with the mainstream audiences of a family film. I'm sorry if that bothers you for me to say that, but it's brutal honesty.
Randall needs his OWN life; he needs friends, sure, and not JUST Mike and Sulley, either. He is, and always will be, a "nerd" and a geeky sort, who is innately shy and a bit awkward, socially, and that is not going to change. It's part of his charm. He will always be socially challenged, to some degree, and will always have some element of distrust when meeting new people until they can demonstrate that they are at least harmless. We can tell from MU that he's an avid reader; just look at all those old books on his shelves! Those weren't textbooks, but were reading books, probably what we would call "Classics". He is a bit of a neat freak(like a certain eccentric tv detective, though not quite THAT obsessive, lol), and that will create some problems for most people who have to put up with that day and day out. We know now that he has considerable skill at designing and creating new technology, which he can use for benign purposes with the right direction. Everyone assumes that Randall loves to cook/bake, but base it completely on those cupcakes in MU, which anyone can make from a box of cake mix and canned frosting, so you really don't need skill or love of baking to do that. That was just something, in the rural American Heartland culture in which he was raised, that people did to introduce themselves to new neighbors-prepared something edible to take over to their house-so he figured it would be just as appropriate to do that to break the ice at a fraternity party. Randall didn't really have any hobbies in either MU or MI, but then, we never get to see things from HIS POV, so we don't know whether he did nor didn't. By the time we see him in MI, he has no time at all for himself, for doing anything other than work, and it's consuming him. I'd kinda like to think that perhaps he has artistic ability, which would be handy in allowing him to connect with young Mary Gibbs, aka "Boo", who is also very artistic, and regardless of what you might or might not think of HER(I'm not a dead-set Boo fan but I'm far from being against her return), she IS a very popular character with audiences and a LOT of people have been imploring Pixar to show her again. Up until MU's release, Boo was probably the most popular character, along with Randall himself, although MU put Mike and the original MU cast more in the spotlight right now. I think it would be a mistake NOT to include her, though, and if the audience, the ones who now still think Randall is "evil", are going to be convinced, they have to see positive interaction between Mary and Randall. She was, after all, the one he would have wronged the most, and the most innocent of all, because unlike any of them, she was clueless to even comprehend what was going on and had no say whatsoever in even being there. If both she and Randall could find common ground, that would be a way to build that "bridge" between them that audiences need to see.
pitbulllady
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Post by pitvipersnake on Mar 24, 2014 15:56:10 GMT -5
Best friends don't always live together. Most don't unless they can't afford their own house. Sulley's the CEO of a company so he could probably afford a couple of mansions (if he wanted). I think that Mike will probably have married Celia and they would be living in their own house.
Randall would, I think, also have a place of his own. He'd need to have a job though. Sulley would probably offer him a job back at the factory although I'm not sure if Randall would want to go back to work in a place that had so many bad memories for him. I imagine that he might do something academic or go into research. I still think he might go back to Monsters University and eventually become a Professor there.
On the subject of Boo, I think that she will also forgive and become friends with Randall. It would be sensible for Mike and Randall to help Sulley rig a door station up in his house so that he could keep her door there and she could visit without the risk of going though the factory. they'd also have to rig up some laugh canisters so she wouldn't keep blowing out the electrics in the house. I imagine that when she's older she might go to Randall for advice when Mike wouldn't be helpful and she didn't want to worry Sulley.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 24, 2014 16:45:54 GMT -5
Best friends don't always live together. Most don't unless they can't afford their own house. Sulley's the CEO of a company so he could probably afford a couple of mansions (if he wanted). I think that Mike will probably have married Celia and they would be living in their own house. Randall would, I think, also have a place of his own. He'd need to have a job though. Sulley would probably offer him a job back at the factory although I'm not sure if Randall would want to go back to work in a place that had so many bad memories for him. I imagine that he might do something academic or go into research. I still think he might go back to Monsters University and eventually become a Professor there. On the subject of Boo, I think that she will also forgive and become friends with Randall. It would be sensible for Mike and Randall to help Sulley rig a door station up in his house so that he could keep her door there and she could visit without the risk of going though the factory. they'd also have to rig up some laugh canisters so she wouldn't keep blowing out the electrics in the house. I imagine that when she's older she might go to Randall for advice when Mike wouldn't be helpful and she didn't want to worry Sulley. Good points, all of 'em. Best friends normally DON'T live together unless they have to, like if they are struggling to make ends meet and can save money by pooling all their resources. With Sulley being the CEO of a huge corporation, money is definitely NOT an issue for him, and Mike's probably doing well, financially, too...IF he doesn't blow every cent he earns on sports cars, which seem to have been his obsession in MI. I'm not sure if Randall would want to work for MI again, or not, and like you said, it's gonna hold some bad memories for him. Plus, he'd be working for the guy who threw him into the Human World, and while I can see Randall and Sulley reaching a point where they would get along and tolerate each other, I still cannot see the two of them becoming best friends, not given their mutual history. If Randall was desperate enough for a job, I suppose he would work there, and there are a LOT of positions in Maintenance and Research and Development, among other departments, that really would benefit from his skills. It's not all just collecting Laugh energy. It takes a lot to keep a factory that size running, after all. With all its floors and thousands of employees, it would be very possible for Randall and Sulley to be able to avoid getting in each other's way, and I think even after Mike and Sulley acknowledge that Randall has changed for the better, it is still going to be best for them to gradually ease into a mutual friendship and not try to force it, no "let's spend each minute of each hour of each day together". Remember, Randall has that Avoidant Personality Disorder, and while he can learn to control it and compensate, it's NOT going to go away, and anyone crowding him and getting too much into his personal space, too soon or too often, is going to trigger an unpleasant reaction. That is never going to change. The only thing I am not sure of would be Randall working for MU. If anything, MU holds more bad memories for him than MI does, or it would be like "six of one, half-dozen of another", basically. That horrific humiliation and subsequent rejection/abandonment that really established his APD in the first place took place at MU, after all. In order to teach there, Randall would need a PhD, and getting one of those would require eight years or more of education, and how is he going to pay for that? Returning to the Monster World, he'd have absolutely NOTHING to his name, no money, no place to live, nothing, so paying to earn a Doctorate would be beyond his means. Randall did not apparently finish MU; from what I can gather from Party Central, Randall was no longer there the following fall semester, so I don't think he even had an undergraduate degree unless he earned it at another university. It's either that, or he still attended MU and just stayed to himself all the time, like a hermit or a recluse, not socializing at all and avoiding others as much as possible. pitbulllady |
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Post by randallsnape7 on Mar 24, 2014 17:50:43 GMT -5
That um.... 'adult angle' you mentioned simply will, well... I simply have to disagree on that. 100%.
I have seen 2 Disney films that showed a snuggling friends scene, and no one ever blinked an eye:
1: The Jungle Cubs series finale. Episode 21: Nice Tiger/Sleepless in the Jungle. It ends with Louie, Baloo, Bagheera, and Hathi singing 'Bare Necessities', then curling up together as friends and drifting off to sleep.
2: The Lion King 1 1/2 showed Simba sleeping with Timon and Pumbaa repeatedly, and there was nothing underhanded about that at all.
That is a fine, FINE tradition... within Disney films themselves, and an excellent way to convey pure, wholesome, 'Agape' and 'Phileo' love... NOT 'Eros' love. That is brutally honest truth, as well. By the way, I did NOT say the word 'caress' once. Not once. Honestly...
Throughout the years, I really resent those kinds of mindsets that INJECTS some adult perversion into something innocent and aimed at children. Been standing on the front lines of THAT battlement for years... and I ain't going anywhere. I would say: Get off it, people. Just... get off it! The world is gonna have to learn one day that not everything has a hidden agenda. If Jesus himself walked the earth today, like He did 2000 years ago, all those same twisted accusations would be leveled at Him, especially if He so much as took the hand of a child.
The two examples I gave above are what prompted me to write such a suggestion, and I, for one, would be moved very deeply to see such kind and caring behavior between Mike, Sulley, and Randall. If no one can appreciate what I would appreciate about it, that's not my problem.
You need not worry... I shall not talk about it again.
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