How would Randall's redemption be expressed musically?

[randallsnape7]

Okay... I happen to know a lot about musical scores and themes and musical cues. Generally, I can't help but be a little curious to see how Randall's redemption story might be expressed in the film's background music. I am not necessarily proposing any one musical style, but there are a couple of musical tracks I heard on YouTube that stirred such curiosities in me. As far as I'm aware, Randall doesn't seem to have an actual musical theme that plays whenever he's on screen.

I mainly wish to share two different emotional pieces of music I listened to on YouTube recently:

I watched an end clip/credits video from Pirates of the Carribbean: At World's End, which plays the main theme in a grandiose style (as Jack Sparrow says 'Drink up me hearties, Yo-Ho!', followed by the end credits music, which is then proceeded by the more melancholy 'Love theme' music that (ignoring the fact that 'On Stranger Tides' was made afterwards), seemed to strongly hint at the time, musically, that this was the end of the Pirates series.

What to learn: It would make sense to me for 'Monsters 3' to have a broader, more FINAL feel in the musical score, since it would indeed be tying up a lot of loose ends from the previous two films. For me... this seems quite natural, that there would be a sort of finality in the music, so that when you walked out, you felt very happy and satisfied.

This second musical thought is one for all those people out there that still hate Randall: I listened to a special music track that was used in the movie Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. It's the track called "Obi-Wan Visits Padme - 'It Can't Be' ". Having seen the movie (I own all the Star Wars films on their original DVD releases), and listening to just the track audio itself... it's one of the most heartbreaking pieces of music I've heard - musically, it's just a bunch of down scales that repeat over and over and build in intensity, as if the bottom of the world has just fallen off... because the 'unthinkable' is happening: Padme doesn't want to believe that Anakin has joined the Sith, Obi-Wan is pressing her for information and revealing everything Palpatine had been doing in the Clone Wars, and how Padme looks at him and says "You're going to kill him, aren't you?", and Obi-Wan simply replies "Anakin is the father, isn't he? I'm so sorry...", then walks off. After this point (whether you know the rest of the saga beyond Episode III or not) the music just screams "this is gonna be a trip to hell... are you ready for it, audience?".

What to learn: Disregarding the fact that this whole particular episode is about Anakin's turn to the Dark Side of the Force, the music pulls the viewer into the initial shock of the moment, as if the LAST thing you would expect in the movie is for Anakin to join the Dark Side. (Which a tricky thing to do considering that ALL Star Wars fans all across the globe had been impatiently waiting for this very thing ever since George Lucas announced it to be so.) To flip this coin over, even though we ALL know that we want 'Monsters 3' to be about Randall's redemption, I would imagine that once the movie reaches the point in the story where it becomes imperative for Randall to return to Monstropolis to defeat the evil at large, there's going to have to be some doubt and uncertainty, and the music will have to express this doubt and uncertainty in the background. I can imagine a similar "It can't be" moment coming from Sulley, because he, and all of Randall's haters in the audience are not going think that Randall can EVER turn good and yet, that's exactly what they're about to see, and it's going to be as inevitable as heck.

'Monsters 3' will arguably have to be ABOUT Randall's redemption, but when Randall's haters actually see the movie, I think the music is going to have to pull them into the intial shock of the moment, as well as reflect the inevitability of Randall's return, and the potential gamble it will involve for Mike to fetch him, since no one knows for certain if he will truly be good. A 'do or die' style music, as if to say: 'Like him or not, Randall is coming back in the story, and he's going to play a MAJOR part... can you handle that?". To all of us who, like Star Wars fans have been waiting impatiently for Randall to turn good, the music can also express to us Randall fans, "Here's the moment you've been waiting for. It's gonna be emotional... are you ready?".

This thread is for discussing any and all musical movements, motifs, or musical expressions we may hear in 'Monsters 3' for Randall's redemption.

[pitbulllady]

I really am not the person to answer that, lol. I have absolutely ZERO musical abilities and limited knowledge when it comes to things like composing music. I mean, I know what music for that particular type of scene would sound like, but insofar as describing that sound, especially regarding details like notes or instruments, I am definitely not qualified.

pitbulllady

[RandallBoggs]

Music isn't my greatest know-how either, but I do have an appreciation for some tracks and works.
I usually listen to a musical piece when I write to reflect the situation or event at the time, as I'm quite good at picturing a moment and having music to play to it.

One thing that will probably stay, I know, is Randall's personal theme they have. The brass horns or whatever it was. But for those who don't know, DO listen to the FULL version of his theme (noted to be "Randall Appears"), and NOT just what you hear in the film. For the first, MI's "Randall Appears", the track continues on from being some-what menacing (or whatever you consider the horns to be) to a more whimsical and mysterious theme with uplifting sections.
Now in MU, Randall's introduction....may not have a personal BGM. It, if I recall, is just a continuation of Wazowski's "first day at MU" music. But, lets focus on his own theme for the moment. It returns after his unfortunate final round against Sullivan....we heard it but then it, unfortunately, changes into the moment of resounding confidence that Sullivan gives to Wazowski before going against Johnny, where the music becomes tense and competitive.

I say unfortunate to that, because it sorta makes Randall's theme less specific, as it turns attention from his theme to being essentially "highjacketed" by Sullivan (ANOTHER thing Sullivan takes from him actually) when he gives Wazowski the pep talk.
His brass horn theme slowly becomes more uplifting and some-what heroic, which I had hoped, when I first heard it before the release, that it was FOR HIM...but yes, highjacketed by Sullivan instead.

But, at the very least...his theme's transformation (stealing as it was), showed that the more menacing properties of it can be changed to be softer and better, that it grows and becomes more positive.
So, sequel-wise, we would see a change in his theme. At first, it will probably be MORE menacing than it was in MI...but may gradually become a sadder one if anything about his personal past comes up. And depending on how deep things go, his theme may go through "layers", from his tough exterior to the heart of the matter to the person we see in MU's start.

....*looks up*...and that's from a non-talented composer hehehe.