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Post by randallsnape7 on Mar 8, 2014 11:56:56 GMT -5
Whoa! Okay...
...this thread is for puzzle enthusiasts!
In the door vault scene in 'Monsters, Inc.', there is a moment where Mike and Sulley are FALLING with a door to the bottom floor, and they enter it just before it shatters into pieces! Shortly afterwards, Mike and Sulley manage to get back into the Monster World through an entirely different door. Moments later, we see Mike and Sulley being A #1 jerks when they put Randall in that wooden bayou door, but after dropping the door to the bottom in the SAME manner that Mike and Sulley's door got earlier... does it stand to reason that Randall COULDN'T just find another door in the Human World to re-renter the Monster World? (That is, you know... AFTER he escapes the trailer beating.)
LOL!
I feel like Howie Mandel on 'Deal' or 'No Deal'! This is the BIG question that could that literally change Randall's entire fortune:
Sound your verdict, people! Trapped?..... or NOT trapped?
(Oh, yeah... almost forgot: As a bonus, if you say trapped, Michael Eisner the banker will offer you $76,000 dollars to walk away with. HE WANTS RANDALL GONE... we all know it. <Crowd yells 'boo' and 'hiss'.> LOL) |
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Post by pitvipersnake on Mar 8, 2014 13:56:28 GMT -5
Lots of people have asked about this, not just about Randall but about any banished monsters, why don't they come back in through another door?
It occurred to me, after thinking about it for some time, that most monsters believe that nothing is more toxic than a human child, so very few banished monsters would dare to creep into a child's bedroom to try it.
Randall is different because he (and Sulley and Mike) know that humans are not toxic so that wouldn't stop him. He might try getting back in to the monster world but he knows he did something illegal so he might be worried about getting arrested. He might also be worried about some punishment from Waternoose (he can't know that Waternoose was arrested). So he could find another door and go back to the monster world, whether he chooses to do so depends on how intolerable he finds life in the human world.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 8, 2014 14:42:28 GMT -5
The ONLY reason why Mike and Sulley were able to enter various doors through the Human World at will and still return to the Monster World is because ALL of the doors in the factory had been simultaneously activated by the power of Boo's screams and laughter, which means that ever closet door in the Human World that had a corresponding door in that factory was open and activated and anyone could have accessed the factory through it. Even if the door in the factory through which they entered was destroyed, as long as there was a house nearby with a child's room, there was still a way back. In Randall's case, though, this is a very isolated part of the country, and it's likely that there were no other dwellings nearby, least of all any with children, and a swamp in southern Louisiana is a very dangerous place if you don't know your way around. If you don't have a boat, you aren't going anywhere, and there are lots of things that can hurt you, not just the humans, though of course the fact that THEY kill and eat large scaly animals won't help. If you recall, after Mike and Sulley finally have Boo after throwing Randall through that door, all of the doors become inactive, and they are unable to put her back in her door as planned before Waternoose calls down that particular door, as he and the CDA wait below on the Scare Floor.
Speaking of that scene, we've had some debate on here as to WHOM Waternoose was referring when he tells the CDA that the criminals they're looking for will be on that door. Now, most people assume he meant Mike and Sulley, BUT, he'd sent Randall to dispose of them, remember? He could not see inside the Door Vault, so he had no way to know that THEY had actually disposed of Randall! Would Waternoose simply have assumed that Randall had failed, did he send him after Mike and Sulley KNOWING that Randall would fail and they would beat him and kill or dispose of HIM somehow? OR was Waternoose assuming that Randall had accomplished the task that Waternoose had ordered, and that Randall would be on that door with the human kid in tow, and was planning to turn Randall over to the CDA and pin all the blame on HIM? If that WAS the case, why would Waternoose believe that Randall would still have the kid and have found HER door, unless Waternoose had suspected that Randall might be getting "cold feet" about this whole thing with testing the machine on a human child, which would explain why he insisted on watching the first test run of the Scream Extractor?
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Post by randallsnape7 on Jun 13, 2014 20:31:24 GMT -5
I just read your paragraph, and that REALLY gave me chills...
...what IF Waternoose was planning on pinning all the blame on Randall if and when he returned with Boo? That's food for thought, no question about it! That sounds like Waternoose to just turn Randall into the CDA once he's no longer of any use to him. If so, that means Mike and Sulley INADVERTENTLY saved Randall from Waternoose's wrath and false accusations and jail time by banishing Randall - not that it makes them justified in their actions, but if Randall's going to be redeemed, it will be easier for him if he's banished in the Human World when the human antagonists invade the factory than if Randall was sitting in Monster Prison. From THAT angle, the banishment COULD turn out to have been the lesser of two evils for Randall, in hindsight only, that is. STILL... Randall cannot stay in the Human World forever. He has to come back and set things right... that goes without saying.
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Post by marsh on Jun 26, 2014 13:15:16 GMT -5
They've used the idea that he's gotten back twice in official material. I'd be more shocked if he didn't. The ONLY reason why Mike and Sulley were able to enter various doors through the Human World at will and still return to the Monster World is because ALL of the doors in the factory had been simultaneously activated by the power of Boo's screams and laughter, which means that ever closet door in the Human World that had a corresponding door in that factory was open and activated and anyone could have accessed the factory through it. Even if the door in the factory through which they entered was destroyed, as long as there was a house nearby with a child's room, there was still a way back. In Randall's case, though, this is a very isolated part of the country, and it's likely that there were no other dwellings nearby, least of all any with children, and a swamp in southern Louisiana is a very dangerous place if you don't know your way around. If you don't have a boat, you aren't going anywhere, and there are lots of things that can hurt you, not just the humans, though of course the fact that THEY kill and eat large scaly animals won't help. If you recall, after Mike and Sulley finally have Boo after throwing Randall through that door, all of the doors become inactive, and they are unable to put her back in her door as planned before Waternoose calls down that particular door, as he and the CDA wait below on the Scare Floor. pitbulllady So he can go somewhere where there are more people. America, even with it's fairly isolated spots, is still one of the most heavily populated countries in the world. The odds of traveling through it and never finding a single home with a child are ridiculously unlikely. Taking for granted that they live in an area that's completely swamped (it seems unlikely; they have the truck. It may look pretty dirty, but it looks virtually identical to its Toy Story appearances, both of which show it running fine), people live there, so contact with others needs to be made eventually in order to get basic necessities (even if these people were ridiculously good at living off the land, they'd at least need new light bulbs). So there would need to be a boat, or some other vehicle that can make it there. If it's small he takes it, if it's big he stows away. Maybe Randall wouldn't stick around long enough for that, but considering the problem to begin with revolves around the idea that there's this one trailer, and it's surrounded by dangerous swamp land, where's he going to go? The swamp? Why not try to go through it if he's going to hang out in it anyway? As for all the door's no longer being activated, that's true, and easily solvable by simply finding a kid's room and hanging out in it while invisible. As far as he knows, scream's still being harvested. And we know laugh is being harvested. So a monster would most likely come through the door eventually. If not, he can find another one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the exact same method we're led to believe Sully used to get back at one point; and he didn't even have the benefit of being unseen. It wouldn't be as easy as "Walk next door, open closet" but it's not impossible, or even unlikely. May take a bit of time, but he's got like three decades of nothing to do now, at best. And the other option isn't exactly desirable. "Not trapped." |
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 26, 2014 14:24:10 GMT -5
They've used the idea that he's gotten back twice in official material. I'd be more shocked if he didn't. The ONLY reason why Mike and Sulley were able to enter various doors through the Human World at will and still return to the Monster World is because ALL of the doors in the factory had been simultaneously activated by the power of Boo's screams and laughter, which means that ever closet door in the Human World that had a corresponding door in that factory was open and activated and anyone could have accessed the factory through it. Even if the door in the factory through which they entered was destroyed, as long as there was a house nearby with a child's room, there was still a way back. In Randall's case, though, this is a very isolated part of the country, and it's likely that there were no other dwellings nearby, least of all any with children, and a swamp in southern Louisiana is a very dangerous place if you don't know your way around. If you don't have a boat, you aren't going anywhere, and there are lots of things that can hurt you, not just the humans, though of course the fact that THEY kill and eat large scaly animals won't help. If you recall, after Mike and Sulley finally have Boo after throwing Randall through that door, all of the doors become inactive, and they are unable to put her back in her door as planned before Waternoose calls down that particular door, as he and the CDA wait below on the Scare Floor. pitbulllady So he can go somewhere where there are more people. America, even with it's fairly isolated spots, is still one of the most heavily populated countries in the world. The odds of traveling through it and never finding a single home with a child are ridiculously unlikely. Taking for granted that they live in an area that's completely swamped (it seems unlikely; they have the truck. It may look pretty dirty, but it looks virtually identical to its Toy Story appearances, both of which show it running fine), people live there, so contact with others needs to be made eventually in order to get basic necessities (even if these people were ridiculously good at living off the land, they'd at least need new light bulbs). So there would need to be a boat, or some other vehicle that can make it there. If it's small he takes it, if it's big he stows away. Maybe Randall wouldn't stick around long enough for that, but considering the problem to begin with revolves around the idea that there's this one trailer, and it's surrounded by dangerous swamp land, where's he going to go? The swamp? Why not try to go through it if he's going to hang out in it anyway? As for all the door's no longer being activated, that's true, and easily solvable by simply finding a kid's room and hanging out in it while invisible. As far as he knows, scream's still being harvested. And we know laugh is being harvested. So a monster would most likely come through the door eventually. If not, he can find another one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the exact same method we're led to believe Sully used to get back at one point; and he didn't even have the benefit of being unseen. It wouldn't be as easy as "Walk next door, open closet" but it's not impossible, or even unlikely. May take a bit of time, but he's got like three decades of nothing to do now, at best. And the other option isn't exactly desirable. "Not trapped." There are several problems inherent in that scenario. One, which you did acknowledge, is the fact that the closet doors are not continuously active. While Randall won't have trouble finding a home with a child, the odds of finding a home with a child at the same time that a monster has activated that child's closet door from the other side are staggeringly low. Randall can't just "hang out" in a child's room for who-knows-how-long waiting for that closet door to open. He has to eat, he has to, as the euphemism goes, "answer the call of nature". He can't remain invisible indefinitely, since doing that requires some pretty intense concentration and would use up a lot of energy. He has to SLEEP, and falling asleep he's going to lose that conscious concentration on his surroundings, becoming completely visible to all. The only way that would work is if Randall actually had a relationship with that child's family, that they knew he was there and accepted his presence...and understood why he'd need to hang out in their kid's room. That last part would be trickier to pull off even still, even if Randall were a human, because most parents simply aren't going to trust any adult male to stay in their child's bedroom! Randall would need to know for a fact that a monster was still coming in through that closet door on a fairly regular basis, too, otherwise he'd be taking a chance that this particular door had been shredded already. This IS Louisiana, after all. Most kids are not afraid of a big reptilian-like creature because they see those all the time, including some that are a whole lot bigger than Randall. Nearly all families are going to be armed, including some of the kids, because here in the South, kids start learning how to shoot and handle firearms at a very early age. Many families have large, aggressive dogs; trust me, Randall would NOT want to encounter a Catahoula, let alone a pack of them! Louisiana is a very, very different place than the little Himalayan village that Sulley traveled to in order to make HIS way back. The Himalayas is a remote part of the world where belief in monsters and spirits is very strong, people don't lock their homes so there's easy access to the inside of the homes, and few people have guns. In the quiet of a remote village, it's easy to hear a child's screams of terror, with no tv, no radio, now electrical heating systems, no cars or other vehicles to mask that sound. Getting around in a swamp is not easy, either. There's quicksand, mud, thick vegetation that includes a lot of thorny or sharp plants than can hurt you, there's leeches, a whole horde of biting, stinging, bloodsucking insects and ticks, and there are a lot of big wild animals that will kill you, not just alligators, either. The swamps of Louisiana are also home to bears, cougars, and wild hogs, and several species of venomous snakes. Even the waters aren't safe, because in addition to alligators, there are huge gar fish, bowfins, bull sharks, and alligator snapping turtles that weigh more than Randall does. Randall is a Midwesterner, probably a farm boy, but that is not going to prepare him for how to get around in a dense swamp, what to eat, what not to eat, etc. I've hunted wild hogs in a Louisiana swamp before, and it's not unlike the Amazon rain forest in South America. If you do not know your way around, or aren't with someone who does, as I was, there are a lot of ways to die out there and none of them are pleasant. We also have to figure in the fact that Randall is not going to escape that beating unscathed. He WILL have injuries, and those injuries could have a permanent effect on his ability to blend in with his background, which will make hanging out in some kid's room, undetected, even more difficult. pitbulllady |
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Post by randallsnape7 on Jun 26, 2014 20:01:50 GMT -5
Um... 'nay' to the permenant injuries again. You don't have to agree... no one on the forum has to agree with me... still pushing for the miraculous somethings. What matters is that I said it... if I were at Pixar, I'd desperately do everything humanly possible to come up with an alternate solution that everyone could agree on.
P.S. Randall's ability to blend in and turn invisible CANNOT be affected, as his invisibility MUST prove to be a valuable asset to Randall, and it MUST be something Randall has to do in order to defeat the villain in the next movie. |
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 27, 2014 22:26:14 GMT -5
I want to see Randall redeemed and finally happy as much as anyone; HOW Pixar pulls it off does not matter nearly as much to me as the fact that they do that, period. While I would certainly enjoy seeing him do something heroic to earn the respect, at last, of other monsters, I'm not hung up on that being the only way that Pixar can pull it off. I am, however, pretty adamant that if there IS a sequel, and Randall IS in it, if he's shown free of scars or injuries, this will "cheapen" what happen to him as well as render a lot of our defense of him invalid. We can't say, "it was a horrible thing that Mike and Sulley did because Randall was hurt far worse than they ever were" if that is not the case. I've dealt with the people who brush off what happened to Randall as trivial, no big deal-"he'll just walk it off", "it isn't any different than Wile E. Coyote falling over a cliff or Daffy Duck getting shot point-blank", and of course, "he can just use his invisibility to get away before he gets hurt", for years now. There are a lot of fans, including those who claim to be Randall's fans, who STILL find that scene FUNNY, not disturbing or wrong in any way, and a big part of THEIR argument is that they do not believe Randall was hurt or in any actual danger at that point in the context of the movie's plot. Seeing him show up later, free of any lasting effects of that beating, physical or otherwise, will simply confirm that this scene was played for laughs, nothing more, and vindicate those who think that Randall is no more than a CGI scaly version of Wile E. Coyote. I'm not saying that he's got to show up in the next MI movie all covered in horrible scars like Freddy Krueger or drooling all over himself, but there does need to be some obvious and lasting and unpleasant reminder of what he went through. There are a lot of people who feel no sympathy for Randall now. They do not believe that he suffered any injuries and therefore experienced insufficient punishment. Now, there will always be those who don't think he could EVER suffer enough to make up for what he did, in their perception, but there seems to be enough who are still "on the fence", who don't hate Randall outright but who do believe he deserves to be punished. Those people are the "target audience" who need to be convinced and be made to feel that sympathy, to realize that Randall's suffering outweighed his wrong-doing and that he did indeed become a victim himself. If he is unhurt, those folks aren't going to be convinced of that. A lot of fans will be anticipating that should Randall return, he's going to rely on his invisibility to accomplish something, good or bad, and for them, him using that ability is going to be a "cop out", as we used to say in the '70's. But what if he no longer has that ability, or cannot control it well enough to use it when he needs it now, and has to rely on some other means, "think outside the box", or team up with someone else? I'm putting that idea out there for consideration, because at this point we don't know for sure that there will be a sequel, or that Randall will be in it, or that Pixar will use a conventional plot to help him redeem himself. MU certainly had quite a plot twist and went against the grain of traditional endings for an animated movie, after all.
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Post by randallsnape7 on Jun 28, 2014 1:44:51 GMT -5
Hold on... I have seen ONE example of a character that ended up with like you said... scars, but nothing grotesque or disfiguring or overdone: Marty the Zebra, from DreamWorks 'Madagascar' series. His best friend, Alex the Lion 'bit him on the butt' in the first film, during a brief psychotic, meat-craving state for Alex. We see that by the end of the second film, Escape 2 Africa, that Marty has two bitemark-shaped scars on his behind, with Alex alluding that those bitemarks is how he was able to identify him from the crowd of zebras.
Whether or not I fully agree with you, I have to just say that you did explain your views better than you have in the past, and I appreciate that. I guess if Pixar went down that route, Randall could have maybe 2 or 3 scars (already healed, not bleeding anymore) on his shoulder or torso... maybe even his belly. The biggest point where I must stand my ground is, I'm REALLY against the idea of Randall have any kind of scar on his face, because 1) Randall's face carries too much emotion, and his image needs to remain the same - not only for all the marketing and publicity, but also for posterity's sake - and 2) a scar on the face would be TOO reminiscent of the way Harry Osborne looked near the end of Spider-Man 3, after Peter Parker (under the influence of the black suit) blatantly slings a pumpkin bomb at his best friend's face. I'm also against the 'scar on the cheek' cliché, as that hints toward the stereotypical gangster or battle-hardened soldier character. Randall is neither of those things. He also can't have a scar across his eyelid, because... AGAIN, Hopper had a scar over his right eyelid, as shown in 'A Bug's Life', and so did Mufasa's brother Scar (a.k.a. Taka), as well as Kovu, from 'The Lion King' Trilogy. Seeing that kind of scar again would just be another cliché.
Gill's scars, as shown in 'Finding Nemo' is the best example I can think of, in terms of the kind of scars Randall could have. They're visible, but not TOO visible... certainly nothing that distracts you unnecessarily. Randall can be left with a few scars on his body, and yet still be healthy, physically fit, agile, and yes, still be able to turn invisible. ALL that really needs to be there, as you said, is some lasting reminder, and just THAT alone proves that it doesn't have to overdone. Randall can be aware of whatever scar he has (another reason why it should be BELOW Randall's face or neck, so he can see it for himself), and that can remind him of how Mike and Sulley treated him, yet, once he saves Mike and Sulley, forgives them, and is forgiven himself, Randall will be able let go of that hurt - to 'not sweat it' anymore - as they say, and move on. |
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Post by marsh on Jul 11, 2014 12:52:14 GMT -5
They've used the idea that he's gotten back twice in official material. I'd be more shocked if he didn't. So he can go somewhere where there are more people. America, even with it's fairly isolated spots, is still one of the most heavily populated countries in the world. The odds of traveling through it and never finding a single home with a child are ridiculously unlikely. Taking for granted that they live in an area that's completely swamped (it seems unlikely; they have the truck. It may look pretty dirty, but it looks virtually identical to its Toy Story appearances, both of which show it running fine), people live there, so contact with others needs to be made eventually in order to get basic necessities (even if these people were ridiculously good at living off the land, they'd at least need new light bulbs). So there would need to be a boat, or some other vehicle that can make it there. If it's small he takes it, if it's big he stows away. Maybe Randall wouldn't stick around long enough for that, but considering the problem to begin with revolves around the idea that there's this one trailer, and it's surrounded by dangerous swamp land, where's he going to go? The swamp? Why not try to go through it if he's going to hang out in it anyway? As for all the door's no longer being activated, that's true, and easily solvable by simply finding a kid's room and hanging out in it while invisible. As far as he knows, scream's still being harvested. And we know laugh is being harvested. So a monster would most likely come through the door eventually. If not, he can find another one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the exact same method we're led to believe Sully used to get back at one point; and he didn't even have the benefit of being unseen. It wouldn't be as easy as "Walk next door, open closet" but it's not impossible, or even unlikely. May take a bit of time, but he's got like three decades of nothing to do now, at best. And the other option isn't exactly desirable. "Not trapped." There are several problems inherent in that scenario. One, which you did acknowledge, is the fact that the closet doors are not continuously active. While Randall won't have trouble finding a home with a child, the odds of finding a home with a child at the same time that a monster has activated that child's closet door from the other side are staggeringly low. Randall can't just "hang out" in a child's room for who-knows-how-long waiting for that closet door to open. He has to eat, he has to, as the euphemism goes, "answer the call of nature". He can't remain invisible indefinitely, since doing that requires some pretty intense concentration and would use up a lot of energy. He has to SLEEP, and falling asleep he's going to lose that conscious concentration on his surroundings, becoming completely visible to all. The only way that would work is if Randall actually had a relationship with that child's family, that they knew he was there and accepted his presence...and understood why he'd need to hang out in their kid's room. That last part would be trickier to pull off even still, even if Randall were a human, because most parents simply aren't going to trust any adult male to stay in their child's bedroom! Randall would need to know for a fact that a monster was still coming in through that closet door on a fairly regular basis, too, otherwise he'd be taking a chance that this particular door had been shredded already. This IS Louisiana, after all. Most kids are not afraid of a big reptilian-like creature because they see those all the time, including some that are a whole lot bigger than Randall. Nearly all families are going to be armed, including some of the kids, because here in the South, kids start learning how to shoot and handle firearms at a very early age. Many families have large, aggressive dogs; trust me, Randall would NOT want to encounter a Catahoula, let alone a pack of them! Louisiana is a very, very different place than the little Himalayan village that Sulley traveled to in order to make HIS way back. The Himalayas is a remote part of the world where belief in monsters and spirits is very strong, people don't lock their homes so there's easy access to the inside of the homes, and few people have guns. In the quiet of a remote village, it's easy to hear a child's screams of terror, with no tv, no radio, now electrical heating systems, no cars or other vehicles to mask that sound. Getting around in a swamp is not easy, either. There's quicksand, mud, thick vegetation that includes a lot of thorny or sharp plants than can hurt you, there's leeches, a whole horde of biting, stinging, bloodsucking insects and ticks, and there are a lot of big wild animals that will kill you, not just alligators, either. The swamps of Louisiana are also home to bears, cougars, and wild hogs, and several species of venomous snakes. Even the waters aren't safe, because in addition to alligators, there are huge gar fish, bowfins, bull sharks, and alligator snapping turtles that weigh more than Randall does. Randall is a Midwesterner, probably a farm boy, but that is not going to prepare him for how to get around in a dense swamp, what to eat, what not to eat, etc. I've hunted wild hogs in a Louisiana swamp before, and it's not unlike the Amazon rain forest in South America. If you do not know your way around, or aren't with someone who does, as I was, there are a lot of ways to die out there and none of them are pleasant. We also have to figure in the fact that Randall is not going to escape that beating unscathed. He WILL have injuries, and those injuries could have a permanent effect on his ability to blend in with his background, which will make hanging out in some kid's room, undetected, even more difficult. pitbulllady Monsters only come out at night. The chances of him not knowing that are about zero. That leaves somewhere around 16 hours for eating and sleeping, which should be way more than he needs. Any problems he might run into finding food and a place to sleep he'd also run into if he stayed in the human world. Also, I need evidence he needs massive concentration for his invisibility, because I remember nothing to support this (I expect you will point to the snowball, which seems to simply mess with his scales rather than break his concentration, and then the punch, which comes pretty dang close to knocking him out, which is not a sign of needing severe concentration, just a sign that you need to be fully conscious). They go after kids as young as two (Boo proves this). I don't care how gun crazy the state is, the idea of all two years not only having guns, not only being able to shoot straight, but also being able to get off a shot in like five seconds while terrified is utterly ridiculous. If you're trying to say the adults would be using them, the monsters are in and out quickly, and part of the time they're in there is spent building up the scare. Once the kid screams, all they need to do is run like five feet through a door, while the parent would need to wake up, grab the gun, get out of bed, and run into another room possibly through a hallway or to another floor. The monster is in no way at a disadvantage here. I'm sorry, I need a list to organize my thoughts on this one: - First, I'm going to need a citation on the claim that everyone in Louisiana isn't afraid of reptiles. - Second, there is a massive difference between seeing something minding its business in the wild, and something purposefully trying to scare you. Seeing something that should not exist appear to pop into existence right next to your bed in the dark and loom over you with an angry look after building up tension (and the opening strongly implies that building tension and remaining hidden until actually doing a final move is a used tactic) will scare a lot of people (not going to say EVERYONE, but still a lot), regardless of whether or not the thing has similar skin to something they're used to. Boo was perfectly fine with Sully, but when he started actually trying to be scary all that familiarity went away. - Third, even assuming every single kid in the entire state wasn't afraid of reptiles to such an extreme extent that even jump scares involving them don't work, why should that effect anything? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but hasn't this very forum complained about Randall being the only, or one of the only, reptile(s) at Monsters, Inc.? We see a wide variety of monsters there, why would they suddenly decide not to use them? Don't they match up the kid to the monster, therefore knowing what each kid is and is not afraid of? - Fourth, other states exist. Again, decades of nothing to do. You can cross the country in less than a year, and he has at least thirty. Go find somewhere else when Louisiana doesn't work. Done. We're talking about the guy who would have successfully murdered Sully using nothing but his own body had it not been for outside intervention, right (yeah, he hits him with a can at one point. The guy brushes it off)? Without even using his very sharp, large teeth? You think he can be taken down by a dog? I only even suggested moving through the swamp because the alternative in the set up scenario was to stay in the swamp. Either way, he's in the swamp, but one way he's working on leaving. And I'd like some reason why we should assume he's completely surrounded by swamp land and cannot possibly avoid it, because I see absolutely no reason to assume this. 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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 11, 2014 14:44:46 GMT -5
My knowledge of the culture of Louisiana and the South in General comes from first-hand EXPERIENCE. I live, and have always lived, in the South, and I have visited Louisiana many times, and have many friends there. I have witnessed how people react to alligators and I've eaten the results. Have YOU ever been to Louisiana, personally? If you answer "no", then you have no grounds at all upon which to argue. You can literally travel from any point in the state to any other point in the state without ever leaving a boat; there is THAT much swampland and THAT many waterways. As far as Randall being taken down by a dog or dogs, it is really obvious that you have no experience with Catahoula Leopard Dogs, the state dog of Louisiana. I used to breed these. They are used to hunt wild boars, some of the most-aggressive, dangerous animals on the planet. If these dogs can take down a 300-pound wild boar, Randall would be a Scooby Snack to them. A friend of mine who still breeds Catahoulas got fined 10,00.00 by our DNR when four of his dogs, three of which were still puppies, caught and disemboweled a 10-foot alligator on his property and his buddy told everybody in the local bar about it. Randall would not stand a chance against that.
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Post by randallsnape7 on Jul 11, 2014 22:13:40 GMT -5
I really don't care what goes on in real-life Louisiana, as it has no bearing on Pixar using creative license or doing another 'Monsters' installment... even if it's just to make money. This whole line of thought has already been beaten to death with a stick... who gives a flip about these dogs?
Are we now chasing rabbits here?
To quote Emperor Kuzco: "Um... what's with the chimp and the bug? Can we get back to... ME? (Or should I say... RANDALL?) LOL
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marsh
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Post by marsh on Jul 13, 2014 12:24:19 GMT -5
My knowledge of the culture of Louisiana and the South in General comes from first-hand EXPERIENCE. I live, and have always lived, in the South, and I have visited Louisiana many times, and have many friends there. I have witnessed how people react to alligators and I've eaten the results. Have YOU ever been to Louisiana, personally? If you answer "no", then you have no grounds at all upon which to argue. You can literally travel from any point in the state to any other point in the state without ever leaving a boat; there is THAT much swampland and THAT many waterways. As far as Randall being taken down by a dog or dogs, it is really obvious that you have no experience with Catahoula Leopard Dogs, the state dog of Louisiana. I used to breed these. They are used to hunt wild boars, some of the most-aggressive, dangerous animals on the planet. If these dogs can take down a 300-pound wild boar, Randall would be a Scooby Snack to them. A friend of mine who still breeds Catahoulas got fined 10,00.00 by our DNR when four of his dogs, three of which were still puppies, caught and disemboweled a 10-foot alligator on his property and his buddy told everybody in the local bar about it. Randall would not stand a chance against that. Pitbulllady There are over four million people in Louisiana. For you to even know all of them, not even touching the topic of getting all of them to open up about their fears and/or seeing all of them in this one specific situation, would require you meeting roughly 208 new people every day since birth (and that's using a guessed age that's probably too high, so the number's probably higher). For you to have a group sample big enough for me to reasonably take it as representative of the entire state, you'd need friends numbering in the thousands, at the very least. So no, your personal experiences do not count as a cite that everyone in Louisiana isn't afraid of reptiles. I don't need to travel to a state to know the the millions of people in it all sharing the same fears is ridiculously unlikely. Even if every single person there saw them all the time, there's a reason the word "phobia" exists: to describe an irrational fear. Being able to get from one side of the state to the other via boat does not rule out the ability to get out of the state on foot: citation still needed on him being surrounded. Randall is not a wild animal, fights with him would not be like fights with them. He has higher intelligence (the ability to reason, plan and make strategies), wall walking (making for easier retreat or breathers), and invisibility (it's hard to attack something when you don't know where it is), not even going into the various ways having working hands (extra ones, at that) can be used for an advantage. That's four major advantages over a dog, none of which are effected by how many pounds the dog can take down. |
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Post by randallsnape7 on Jul 14, 2014 16:14:47 GMT -5
AMEN to that !
I'm THOROUGHLY RELIEVED to hear someone proclaim that the 'horrors' of real-life Louisiana does not and will not dominate the simple matter of a story plot for a movie franchise. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU...
We all know Randall has to survive, no matter how difficult the situation might be, so PLEASE, let's bring this topic to a close. Good going, Marsh.
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