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Post by tailmister on Mar 12, 2005 3:05:26 GMT -5
Hello all you happy people. For a minute I was thinking of Boo, and how overtime she seemed to overcome her fear of Randall, and I seemed to like her ovecoming her fear. However, I was wondering, would there be a more reasonable solution with Randall (an alternative to being "banashied" per say), and still have Boo overcome her fear?
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 12, 2005 9:56:52 GMT -5
Well, they could still do the whole thing as they showed in the film with Randall being wacked on the head with a bat, etc., right up until the point where Sullivan's got him by the neck, and then, instead of Sullivan or Wazowski coming up with the 'amazing' idea of exile, they could've just handed him over to the CDA. But instead, they decided to be absolute richards and just chuck him through a door, but hey, they're idiots.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 12, 2005 10:03:43 GMT -5
Hey guys I talked about this and set out for it.
Randall's a scarer. One thing he's seen in his scarering career is, as Waternoose explained, children are getting harder to scare. Their fears of the monster go away BECAUSE the monsters scare them. So, Randall had done his job with Boo by making sure she ISN'T afraid of him.
And yes. I have been working on an alternate ending.....well.....actually alternate-ending-story......about Randall and Boo having to go on the run from the C.D.A., since Sullivan and Wazowski didn't come back.
I'M working on it....
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 12, 2005 12:42:37 GMT -5
We had discussed Boo's fear of Randall, but of no other monster, before. I'd seen someone on a different animation-related board once, post that Randall must have been really cruel and mean to Boo in order to make her that afraid of him, and some of us had even postulated that perhaps her fear of his was due to one of her parents having a phobia of real reptiles, since children DO learn most of their fears from family members. No one is born being afraid of any particular animal(no, not stating that Randall is an animal, anymore so than us).
HOWEVER, now that I'm an aunt, and have gotten to see and notice up-close the developement of a young child, and apply it to what I see in other children, I beg to differ. I've learned that children Boo's age will suddenly, for no apparent reason, become phobic about certain things or people. They do not have to have a negative experience with something to become terrified of it. Just as quickly, these phobias can vanish, although they will become worse IF a parent or guardian makes a big deal of them. I'm more inclined to believe that THIS is why Boo was so afraid of Randall, NOT something he'd done to her. Left to her own devices, she would have eventually gotten over that fear on her own.
I am really not happy with the way the movie showed her getting over her fear. The message here was loud and clear-to conquer a fear, you have to use violence against its source. If you're scare of something, beat it to a pulp. Don't like certain kinds of people? Shoot 'em, string 'em up from trees. Scared of dogs? Ban 'em, beat 'em. Afraid of snakes? Chop 'em up with garden tools. Creepy-looking kid try to talk to you at recess? Punch him in the nose. I think that they could have come up with a much better-for EVERYONE-way of showing Boo how to overcome her fear of Randall, like having her learn that he wasn't going to hurt her, rather than having her turn fear into anger-another negative, detrimental emotion which DOES often follow fear-and resorting to violence.
pitbulllady
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Mar 12, 2005 13:06:16 GMT -5
I am really not happy with the way the movie showed her getting over her fear. The message here was loud and clear-to conquer a fear, you have to use violence against its source. If you're scare of something, beat it to a pulp. Don't like certain kinds of people? Shoot 'em, string 'em up from trees. Scared of dogs? Ban 'em, beat 'em. Afraid of snakes? Chop 'em up with garden tools. Creepy-looking kid try to talk to you at recess? Punch him in the nose. I think that they could have come up with a much better-for EVERYONE-way of showing Boo how to overcome her fear of Randall, like having her learn that he wasn't going to hurt her, rather than having her turn fear into anger-another negative, detrimental emotion which DOES often follow fear-and resorting to violence. Yeah, ditto. I was displeased with that aspect of the movie as well. It sends the wrong message, in my opinion. Pixar should - and could - have handled that differently.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 12, 2005 13:07:30 GMT -5
Yes exactly.
Yes. But it's Randall's scaring her that led to her overcoming her fear sooner. So, when she grew up, she wouldn't have a fear of reptiles. Same here. Which is something I'm going to put in the Alternate Story.
You know. I had a dream once. I saw the scene of Sullivan throwing Randall into the door. But before he could, Boo wrapped her arms around Randall's neck yelling "no".
Weird....
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Mar 12, 2005 14:05:49 GMT -5
You know. I had a dream once. I saw the scene of Sullivan throwing Randall into the door. But before he could, Boo wrapped her arms around Randall's neck yelling "no". Weird.... Awww! That's so cute! Even wierder still, last night I was just thinking about drawing a pic of Ty's future daughter, Angel, giving Randall a hug. O.o
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 12, 2005 14:07:46 GMT -5
Yeah it was weird. Sullivan let him go. Randall was at first still asking for mercy till he opened his eyes. He just starred at the kid amazed.......
Ehh...
That's a good idea Joy ^_^
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 12, 2005 22:00:09 GMT -5
Yes exactly. Yes. But it's Randall's scaring her that led to her overcoming her fear sooner. So, when she grew up, she wouldn't have a fear of reptiles. Same here. Which is something I'm going to put in the Alternate Story. You know. I had a dream once. I saw the scene of Sullivan throwing Randall into the door. But before he could, Boo wrapped her arms around Randall's neck yelling "no". Weird.... That would have been a really powerful, moving scene-so much more emotional than how it ended in the movie. Boo may not have been afraid of REPTILES, just of Randall. Remember me telling y'all about the little two-year-old who visited our school on PTO night, and was absolutely TERRIFIED of our sweet Assistant Principal? This lady had never even seen him before, and had done nothing to him, yet he would go into hysterics at the sight of her, or even just hearing her voice around a corner! He was not afraid of any other people, though, not even of me, only one of two Caucasians in the building. There is nothing odd or intimidating about our Assistant Principal, either, yet this kid was terrified of her. Now, a year later, I bet if he saw her again, he would have no reaction whatsoever. That's just how little kids that age are; it's considered normal. Boo would very likely have gotten over her fear of Randall on her own, regardless of anything he did, and could have just as likely suddenly decided to be afraid of one of her own toys, just like that. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 13, 2005 3:06:24 GMT -5
Yes....my dreams open up allot..... Such as....having a dream Randall had had....one about his parents....
Well perhaps. But Randall may have thought of it all as a win-win situation Scareing. Children lose their fears, which seemed to be happening, and he gets a paycheck....
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 13, 2005 7:55:35 GMT -5
A child's mind is a very strange thing...And it wouldn't surprise me if, in the future, if Randall and Boo were to meet once again, she would probably react in an even positive way towards him- that is, saying that they hadn't actually ever met and had the experiances that they had had during the movie.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 13, 2005 10:30:38 GMT -5
Yes. Take Boo's drawing. No doubt Randall saw it when he went in her room, which is probably what took him so long, and reflected on it.
The two SHOULD meet again. Actually. I remember having yet ANOTHER dream. I couldn't tell what Boo's age was, but she was resting in bed. Then her closet door opened and Randall came in (I guess he did get back to Monstropolis). He came over slowly and sat on the bed. Of course, Boo got up at this point. He just looked at her for a second with a smile on his face, saying "hey kid". After a moment, Boo didn't have the scared look she had through the incident. She just wrapped her arms around Randall with a smile. At first, Randall didn't do anything, he was quite shocked actually. But when he finally came to his senses, he put his arms around her too, saying "sorry".
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 13, 2005 12:35:39 GMT -5
Well perhaps. But Randall may have thought of it all as a win-win situation Scareing. Children lose their fears, which seemed to be happening, and he gets a paycheck.... [/quote]
I hadn't really thought of it in those terms, but yeah-makes sense. One of the most widely-accepted means of curing phobias is, after all, to expose the person to the object of their fear, repeatedly. I know that old-timers who hunt with dogs will use this method to cure a dog of gun-shyness: they will stake the dog out on a short chain, and repeatly fire a gun over the dog's head. Sounds cruel, but it works-the dog gets so accustomed to the sound of gunfire, that it learns to tune it out. I know that I came very close to developing a full-blown case of arachnophobia myself, so I went and got myself a Chilean Rosehair tarantula-a very NASTY Chilean Rosehair tarantula, one who thinks she is a Sydney Funnel Web spider, LOL! I now have over 25 big hairy spiders, and simply cannot watch an episode of "CSI" without one sitting on my lap, usually my Chaco Bird Eater, who is the size of a man's hand, outspread, and who eats rats. That goes to show just how effective exposure to a source of fear can be in overcoming fear, when that fear was groundless in the first place.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 13, 2005 12:40:16 GMT -5
See.... And this is what Ran thinks. Sure. He doesn't go into DEEP thought about it. Why should he? He does his job and earns his paycheck. But he does think that Scarers exchange overcoming fear for screams.
However....it's not like Scare Co. really cares about that....
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Post by Mirage on Mar 13, 2005 21:30:17 GMT -5
One of the most widely-accepted means of curing phobias is, after all, to expose the person to the object of their fear, repeatedly. pitbulllady I guess that would be like the technique called 'flooding', then? I learned of 2 techniques used to cure phobias in psychology class: systematic desensitization, and flooding. The former is where you gradually desensitize the subject to their fear by first introducing them to the object of their fear in the least threatening situation, and once they overcome that, get closer and closer to more threatening situations til they're finally completely fearless of it. Flooding is where you immediately confront them with the most feared situation, so that once they see that it hasn't harmed them, they'll have no fear of all the less threatening scenarios! Pretty cool.
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