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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 5, 2013 14:56:54 GMT -5
We know that MU is chock-full of foreshadowing, right? From Randall's "Winds of Change" poster to the gold fleur-de-lis on his purple bedspread, luggage and rug, to the kids finding Mike "cute" and laughing at his attempts to scare them, but I just thought of another possible example of foreshadowing that I bet slipped past Pixar, and it's a disturbing example. This is Johnny Worthington's nickname for Mike: "Killler". I bet even Johnny had no idea how close to being accurate that would turn out to be.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 5, 2013 18:22:04 GMT -5
*chuckles* Funny ain't it? Killer is a rather...interesting derogatory term for Johnny to use, and one he doesn't seem to bring up again.
If I recall this was a nickname that Johnny gave him at their FIRST meeting correct?
Hm. You know, I wonder if anybody other than myself has noticed that there was something Wazowski and Sullivan did in their little venture...that pretty much, even MORE so, proves that they were really thinking of what they were doing to Randall when they threw him away.
Yes, I gave the notice of the hand-switch and the time it took to get from door-to-platform...but MU has shown even MORE evidence that they had a plan to what to do with him.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 5, 2013 18:54:45 GMT -5
*chuckles* Funny ain't it? Killer is a rather...interesting derogatory term for Johnny to use, and one he doesn't seem to bring up again. If I recall this was a nickname that Johnny gave him at their FIRST meeting correct? Hm. You know, I wonder if anybody other than myself has noticed that there was something Wazowski and Sullivan did in their little venture...that pretty much, even MORE so, proves that they were really thinking of what they were doing to Randall when they threw him away. Yes, I gave the notice of the hand-switch and the time it took to get from door-to-platform...but MU has shown even MORE evidence that they had a plan to what to do with him. What would that be, in MU, that foreshadowed Mike and Sulley's plans for Randall? I must have missed it or it hasn't clicked with me yet. Kinda interesting, speaking of Johnny, how he assigns nicknames to a lot of other characters. He calls Mike "Killer", and he calls Sulley "Big Blue", but he just calls Randall, "Boggs", not even bothering with his first name at all. If you read the "MU Fear Book" Johnny signed it, to Mike, and still calls Mike "Killer", but it's more like a term of affection now, as if even though Mike p***ed him off and got on Johnny's nerves, Johnny still had to admire his determination and lack of fear...but with Randall, though, you could tell he really didn't give a rat's beehind about him one way or the other. It really shows just what status Randall had-NONE-in ROR's hierarchy, which would explain why he was so desperate to prove himself. It's like you're a Nobody until Johnny Worthington gives you a nickname or at least deigns to call you by your first name. pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 5, 2013 19:08:57 GMT -5
*chuckles* Moments like this remind me how much I contribute to the fandom and for Randall...nice to feel that in these absurdly-difficult times...
Remember HOW Sullivan and Wazowski managed to get back to their world? How, in some brilliant stroke of LUCK that they managed to get back? The door...was off-line. There was no power going to it. But, they still managed to get it open. They activated the light from the OTHER side?
Now remember what happened to Randall. They threw him through a door too. At first...I thought they did the "next" action out of spite. But maybe it WAS a logical thing to do. Sullivan destroyed the Red Light. Now, yes, it was on...but this begs to question. Was it out of spite...or the knowledge that, when the door deactivated, there WAS a chance, given Randall's skill, that he could have managed to open the door from the other side from scareing adults?
I know there could be debates, but remembering THEIR luck to get back...they MAY have been thinking about their OWN venture into the human world and used THAT knowledge to "cover their bases" as it were. I mean...destroying the light, destroying the door, is over kill. (Waternoose did say to cut the power as soon as Boo's door returned...which may mean ALL the power, including doors in the vault but...)
Of course, while this may seem contradictory...it's something to consider. Regardless, they aimed to get rid of Randall. Whether they knew what they were doing or not...lets just say it seems to add that they may have been thinking of what they were doing due to their own past experiences.
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*shrugs* Unfortunately the Fear Book is not in my possession. My funding is...not capable of casual purchases these day, so I'm left with the books I have and the personal experiences of one who I'd rather not prod...
*taps lip* I remember on your blog about the question of Randall's pledging of ROR...that it may have, in fact, been the Scare Games and all that followed that would make him a member. Sullivan was in a pledge period too, if I recall...if that's true, probably is...from how Johnny was, everything was a test to Randall whether he liked it or not...
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 5, 2013 20:49:48 GMT -5
*chuckles* Moments like this remind me how much I contribute to the fandom and for Randall...nice to feel that in these absurdly-difficult times... Remember HOW Sullivan and Wazowski managed to get back to their world? How, in some brilliant stroke of LUCK that they managed to get back? The door...was off-line. There was no power going to it. But, they still managed to get it open. They activated the light from the OTHER side?
Now remember what happened to Randall. They threw him through a door too. At first...I thought they did the "next" action out of spite. But maybe it WAS a logical thing to do. Sullivan destroyed the Red Light. Now, yes, it was on...but this begs to question. Was it out of spite...or the knowledge that, when the door deactivated, there WAS a chance, given Randall's skill, that he could have managed to open the door from the other side from scareing adults?I know there could be debates, but remembering THEIR luck to get back...they MAY have been thinking about their OWN venture into the human world and used THAT knowledge to "cover their bases" as it were. I mean...destroying the light, destroying the door, is over kill. (Waternoose did say to cut the power as soon as Boo's door returned...which may mean ALL the power, including doors in the vault but...) Of course, while this may seem contradictory...it's something to consider. Regardless, they aimed to get rid of Randall. Whether they knew what they were doing or not...lets just say it seems to add that they may have been thinking of what they were doing due to their own past experiences. -- *shrugs* Unfortunately the Fear Book is not in my possession. My funding is...not capable of casual purchases these day, so I'm left with the books I have and the personal experiences of one who I'd rather not prod... *taps lip* I remember on your blog about the question of Randall's pledging of ROR...that it may have, in fact, been the Scare Games and all that followed that would make him a member. Sullivan was in a pledge period too, if I recall...if that's true, probably is...from how Johnny was, everything was a test to Randall whether he liked it or not... Ah, I get it. They didn't want to risk that Randall might scare anyone enough to generate enough Scream energy to power up that door from the other side, although I'm pretty sure they knew that it would be RANDALL who'd be doing the screaming, not the humans. I'm still convinced that Mike knew exactly where that door led and what would be in store for Randall once he was thrown into that door. But yeah, I'm also sure that both Sulley and Randall were just "probationary" members of ROR(can easily hear Johnny Worthington channeling "Anthony DiNozzo" from "NCIS", calling the new recruites "Probies", and would pay gladly to see those two in a "Battle of the Preppy Narcissists" p***ing contest) and had to prove their allegiance to the frat and to its leader before they would be full-fledged members. Having Randall pull that rope to release the stuffed toys onto the OK's was part of that "test" of his allegiance and obedience to Johnny, and I'm sure that getting kicked out of ROR was the LEAST of Randall's concerns if he failed to follow through with those orders. pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 5, 2013 21:01:20 GMT -5
Maybe it's a credit to Randall's skill as a scarer as well. I don't doubt the later part of the sentence, at the time, but the fact that THEY came BACK from the human world (twice)...and what they do just...nags at me.
As for Wazowski...there's probably a deeper reason. Something MI: The Series goes into. Isn't it a little suspicious...after all...that Wazowski seemed to pick SUCH a door...that was dangerous PERSONALLY for Randall? Maybe not so dangerous for Sullivan...but for Randall, definitely. Was it by chance? I doubt it since they had more time, as was revealed, then the film shows. Funny. He seemed to have knowledge on what doors this particular scarer would find dangerous. Almost as if Wazowski wasn't always Sullivan's assistant....ain't it?
The rope pulling is going to be an aggravation to explain to people...
Yes, Randall probably couldn't even see who it was. THOUGH he could have HEARD given that Johnny was bringing them forward. But again, he was under Johnny and, as said, probably pledging.
Another thing to remember is, he was holding the rope. He didn't pull it, he was KEEPING it held. So if Johnny told him to "hold this, and keep holding it till I say", there was really no way he could stop things once it was in his hands. Just had to do it with a smile, do it as Johnny said, and get through it.
Also this charity business...kinda reminds me of the nerds and some VERY provocative pies...*shrugs* Maybe Randall thought it was charity. (after all, HIS only job was the stuffed animals. Those alone, not really threatening or demeaning...)
Also, he was the only one that wasn't laughing the next day. Sure, a firm smirk he was hiding behind, but still always looking to Johnny to make sure he was "doin' good".
Actually...I find it interesting that in WAZOWSKI's POV book...that there was an extra bit where he actually confronts Randall on this, and it wasn't in the film. Remember? ("What do you want me to do?")
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Post by mintygreen on Jul 5, 2013 23:54:50 GMT -5
*chuckles* Funny ain't it? Killer is a rather...interesting derogatory term for Johnny to use, and one he doesn't seem to bring up again. If I recall this was a nickname that Johnny gave him at their FIRST meeting correct? Hm. You know, I wonder if anybody other than myself has noticed that there was something Wazowski and Sullivan did in their little venture...that pretty much, even MORE so, proves that they were really thinking of what they were doing to Randall when they threw him away. Yes, I gave the notice of the hand-switch and the time it took to get from door-to-platform...but MU has shown even MORE evidence that they had a plan to what to do with him. I've seen people use "Killer" as a joke about something that wants to be tough but is actually weak. For example, my Chihuahua(RIP, she died last year at an old age)....she had a rather aggressive nature at times but people would just laugh and say things like "What are you, a killer?" because obviously, she could never really hurt anyone due to her small size. |
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 6, 2013 0:21:06 GMT -5
Maybe it's a credit to Randall's skill as a scarer as well. I don't doubt the later part of the sentence, at the time, but the fact that THEY came BACK from the human world (twice)...and what they do just...nags at me. As for Wazowski...there's probably a deeper reason. Something MI: The Series goes into. Isn't it a little suspicious...after all...that Wazowski seemed to pick SUCH a door...that was dangerous PERSONALLY for Randall? Maybe not so dangerous for Sullivan...but for Randall, definitely. Was it by chance? I doubt it since they had more time, as was revealed, then the film shows. Funny. He seemed to have knowledge on what doors this particular scarer would find dangerous. Almost as if Wazowski wasn't always Sullivan's assistant....ain't it? The rope pulling is going to be an aggravation to explain to people... Yes, Randall probably couldn't even see who it was. THOUGH he could have HEARD given that Johnny was bringing them forward. But again, he was under Johnny and, as said, probably pledging. Another thing to remember is, he was holding the rope. He didn't pull it, he was KEEPING it held. So if Johnny told him to "hold this, and keep holding it till I say", there was really no way he could stop things once it was in his hands. Just had to do it with a smile, do it as Johnny said, and get through it. Also this charity business...kinda reminds me of the nerds and some VERY provocative pies...*shrugs* Maybe Randall thought it was charity. (after all, HIS only job was the stuffed animals. Those alone, not really threatening or demeaning...) Also, he was the only one that wasn't laughing the next day. Sure, a firm smirk he was hiding behind, but still always looking to Johnny to make sure he was "doin' good". Actually...I find it interesting that in WAZOWSKI's POV book...that there was an extra bit where he actually confronts Randall on this, and it wasn't in the film. Remember? ("What do you want me to do?") I was trying to remember where I had seen that part about Mike confronting Randall afterwards, with Randall saying something like, "What was I SUPPOSED to do, Mike" or "what do you WANT me to do, Mike", trying to get Mike to understand that he had no choice but to go along with whatever Johnny told him to do, but I couldn't remember if that was in an official Disney publication book or not, or even if I'd imagined it. pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 6, 2013 17:14:09 GMT -5
Remy actually brought it up if I recall...it's in the book that's from Wazowski's POV...Dare to Scare I think it was?
What interests me is that this is WAZOWSKI's POV. Even though it's not official, I find it curious that that scene was added in to something outside the film. Ah here we go...
"When I confronted Randy, he just shrugged and said "What do you want me to do?" He wanted to fit in with the RORs, even if it meant going along with their mean jokes."
To be honest, this seems to erm...well humanize is more of an insult but umm...it seems to encourage that Randall didn't intend to hurt Wazowski, that he had to go along with things.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 6, 2013 17:19:34 GMT -5
Remy actually brought it up if I recall...it's in the book that's from Wazowski's POV...Dare to Scare I think it was? What interests me is that this is WAZOWSKI's POV. Even though it's not official, I find it curious that that scene was added in to something outside the film. Ah here we go... "When I confronted Randy, he just shrugged and said "What do you want me to do?" He wanted to fit in with the RORs, even if it meant going along with their mean jokes."To be honest, this seems to erm...well humanize is more of an insult but umm...it seems to encourage that Randall didn't intend to hurt Wazowski, that he had to go along with things. It wasn't just a matter of fitting in. There were two other reaons: Johnny's right fist and his left fist and those impressive biceps behind them. pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 6, 2013 17:25:02 GMT -5
I'm unsure of Johnny's physicality...he would definitely slap you upside the head and threaten you with violence...as for how far he'd gone...I'm unsure. But yeah, for someone as sweet-natured as Randall was at the time, even just the threat was enough to get him to snap to attention.
But what I'm saying is that they'd include this scene in Wazowski's POV...wherein they didn't need it at all. But it's good that it was, seeing as how it gives an honest view of what was going on with Randall at the time.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 7, 2013 10:43:59 GMT -5
I'm unsure of Johnny's physicality...he would definitely slap you upside the head and threaten you with violence...as for how far he'd gone...I'm unsure. But yeah, for someone as sweet-natured as Randall was at the time, even just the threat was enough to get him to snap to attention. But what I'm saying is that they'd include this scene in Wazowski's POV...wherein they didn't need it at all. But it's good that it was, seeing as how it gives an honest view of what was going on with Randall at the time. Randall has probably dealt with big burly guys like Johnny before, and came out the worse for it. To use an analogy, Johnny is like a rattlesnake. He MIGHT NOT bite you, but if he DOES, he's capable of doing some serious damage, so why risk it? Why provoke that? Johnny is unique among "preppy" types of antagonists, who usually have nothing more than a chip on their shoulder, their family name and money and a big mouth to back them up, but are generally wimps who aren't really capable of doing any physical damage. Johnny is built like a friggin' line backer in NFL. Those are real muscles under that sweater, not fat, so if he DOES decide to get physical, he can seriously #$%& someone up. Randall saw him slap Chet, and Chet was as close to being his buddy as Johnny probably allowed any of his subjects to get, and that slap was not so much to bring Chet back in line as to remind Randall just who he was dealing with. It was a message about what awaited HIM if he challenged Johnny's dominance. You can see from that look on Randall's face that he got the point, loud and clear. pitbulllady |
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