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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Oct 8, 2005 10:21:27 GMT -5
;D Just wanted to say, I watched a bit of M.I. in school the other day. There were these two girls at my table ... acquaintances, you can say, but one just completely annoys the heck outta me ... anyway ... the other saw the movie before, the annoying one didn't.
But I successfully convinced the two that Mike was gay. I said he really liked Sullivan, but he was dating Celia to get Sulley jealous, but Sulley wasn't paying any attention to Mike in 'that' way, and that was why Mike was getting jealous when Boo came along. That 'what about us' thing? I said he was referring to both of them, as a couple, not as friends, but Sulley didn't catch that part.
^^ Hey, it was kinda a lie (though without Celia I'm sure people would be slashing all over FF.NET) but these two were gullible, and they believed it. I feel kinda bad, but ... hey, it was about the moron twins! Well, not really twins but ... you get the picture ...
I am conquering the world with my theories, one person at a time. ;D
I didn't bother getting nuts about Randall, since they really wouldn't pay attention, and they didn't say anything bad or nothing, so ... yesh. ^__^
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Post by RandallBoggs on Oct 8, 2005 12:33:35 GMT -5
Uh...I wouldn't go THAT far. It's a good part-payback...but...
Kinda a bad vision for such a thing...heh...
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 8, 2005 14:03:13 GMT -5
Sounds to me like those girls are too much into the "slash" genre. Me, personally, I DETEST "slash", NOT because I'm homophobic, but I think it's stupid to try to make everything and everybody gay, as if that were the norm and hetero was the minority. Sorry to disappoint, slash fans, but that ain't the case at all. A LOT of young people today, I guess, especially girls, are into this whole "slash" thing because it's a novel way to shock and annoy grownups. I mean, everything else has been tried by the generation before. It's hard to shock someone MY age, which would be the age of most parents of teens these days, with music, since we grew up on Black Sabbath and Ozzie and Motley Crue. Many of us were punk rockers or metalheads, so the whole Goth thing doesn't work, either. I guess this obsession among allegedly straight girls with homosexuality is one of the last frontiers that can still at least cause some concern among adults, but it is seriously ridiculous. Plus, EVERYTHING is so sexualized these days that I guess it's hard for young people to realize that there ARE still such things as "friends", people who like each other and care about each other, but not in a sexual way, and that these friends can be either same-sex or opposites. I guess they just assume that if any two given individuals can even talk to each other or stand to be in the same room together, they have to be physically attracted to each other and probably have a sexual relationship, right?
I firmly believe that Mike and Sulley are both straight. They are close friends, and most likely room together because of the economic advantages of having two paychecks in one apartment. "US" can refer to any two or more individuals, including friends, so Mike saying that does not imply that they were gay. If they WERE, wouldn't it be Sulley who'd have been more upset, because of Celia? So, to those of you who are slash fiends and who don't believe that two people can be friends and even live in the same house without sex, I say to you, GROW UP and get a BRAIN!
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Oct 8, 2005 15:16:50 GMT -5
It's called a JOKE people. Jeeez ... everyone's so serious here ... I was only kidding.  |
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Oct 8, 2005 15:20:09 GMT -5
Don't even get me started on gay people. I don't believe these two would make a good couple- I WAS ONLY JOKING. But discriminating people for who they are ... I've got a friend who's Bi, and I hate people who tease 'em for it. It's not your life, it's theirs, so leave them be.
Again ... I feel I'll have to say this several times to get my point across ...
IT WAS ONLY A JOKE.
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Post by Keaton the Black Jackal on Oct 8, 2005 15:54:08 GMT -5
I'm a slash fan, admittedly (not 'cos I want to be rebellious. My family's pretty open-minded as it is, and I'm just an unabashed fangirl when it comes to this stuff--though I hope I'm not too annoying), but the concept of Sullivan and Mike being a couple sort of strikes a nerve (seeing as Mike's with Celia, Sulley seems pretty straight, and the two are just friends, just that). Though, I AM a little impressed that you convinced those girls that was the case. I wouldn't be able to stop laughing if I tried to pull a prank like that on someone. They'd never take me seriously.  ~Keaton the Black Jackal |
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Post by Light Rises on Oct 8, 2005 17:03:52 GMT -5
Me, personally, I don't like slash in the least (for mostly the same reasons that pitbulllady mentioned), although I won't begrudge those who enjoy it in a respectful manner. My biggest problem with it is that most slashers DON'T enjoy it respectfully -- rather, it's become an excuse to do something on the (at least) "soft-porn" side, which is especially aggravating in fandoms that were more geared toward a family- or child-oriented audience in the first place. I have to agree the joke you played IS sorta funny, FONY, but it also saddens me a bit, too, because it also shows how easily kids' minds tend to go straight in the gutter these days simply through the power of suggestion. So, yeah, I understand it was just a joke, but it still saddens me somewhat all the same (which isn't your fault at all  ). And, honestly (to use a prime example from the "Lilo & Stitch" fandom), I never, EVER would've considered Jumba and Pleakley "a couple" outside of suggestions made via fanfiction. I feel the same way about Mike and Sulley -- I just DON'T see it happenin'. ~Light Rises |
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 8, 2005 20:34:04 GMT -5
Thank you, LR; I understand that the whole deal was just a prank, but like you, I find it a bit aggravating that it's so easy to convince kids that any two given same-sex characters who even speak to each other must be sexually involved with each other. It's not that I'm ragging on gay people, but I AM ragging on the attitude that there's no such thing as people being just friends, and that ALL relationships MUST be sexual in nature! It really did start for me with that whole Jumba/Pleakley thing, with all these teen fanfic writers swearing that they were both gay. With Pleakley, I can almost see it, but not with Jumba. They are simply friends.
One of the things that REALLY bugs me with the slash genre, though, is when a fanfic writer writes a slash scene using a male character that I am fond of. If I'm gonna read a romance, or even a "lemony" fic with a male character I really find attractive, I'm like most women-I like to be able to put myself in the place of his love interest. If that love interest is another male, it just sorta kills it for me.
On addendum, though, if there is one aspect of fanfiction-dom that bugs me even worse than making all relationships same-gender sexual, it's accelerating the growth and aging of child characters so THEY can then have sex with an adult character. I've read quite a few Foster's fanfics where the writers age Mac, who is eight years old in the show, to a teenager so he and Frankie can get it on, totally forgetting that Frankie would be well into her thirties and probably either already involved with a guy close to her age, or even married, and that like most women in their thirties, probably not interested in a teenage boy. Just recently, someone wrote this long "Monsters, Inc." fic(which is also VERY anti-Randall, even though he's not in it), in which Boo is suddenly a teenager, in order for her and Sulley to have an affair!! I was like, "WTH?"- I mean, even if she was this Amazon woman, Sulley is like 8 feet tall and weighs over half a TON! I mean, HOW....?
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Oct 9, 2005 11:10:52 GMT -5
Even though I was joking ... I'll put my two cents in. The problem I have with slash the most is these sick Wonka/Charlie fanfictions. Especially now, since a lot of people believe that since the new Wonka's germaphobic and has short-girly like hair. It's just ... wrong. And if you don't get only slash fics, you get this sickening Mary sues where they automatically fall in love. I hate it ... Another thing ... I'm not so sure of Pleakley's gender, since I was told he's gender confused or something ... but even if Pleakley were a girl, he's my favorite character in that film, and I would never think of him and Jumba as a couple. Talk about screwing around with nature- they're just friends. =P I DON'T like Sulley and Mike in the least bit, so I never think of anything with them, either with each other or other people/monsters as a couple. I hate it when people pair Randall with a human. I mean, I'm human, I love Randall, but if I met him, I wouldn't date him! Would be cool to be his friend though ^__^ Another thing ... for those who've seen Treasure Planet ... what is with Jimbo/Silver slashies? ... =P That's messed up, since Silver acts like a father to Jim. What else ... if there where a lot of Bug's Life fans out there, I'd really hate it, since someone might be sick enough to poke at Slim and Francis. And they're just friends too. =P Ehh ... I think I'll end there because I'll get sick to my stomach with the moron who created a fic of Clopin and Frollo ..... x__x |
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 9, 2005 14:11:25 GMT -5
See; that's what I mean. Many young people(and most fanfic writers are much younger than me)really do NOT believe it's possible for any two people, regardless of their gender, to actually be just friends. ALL relationships do NOT include sex, or even physical attraction, in fact, MOST do not! I don't have a problem with pairing Randall with a human, provided that there is much more to the relationship than just the physical, and that human is NOT one of those irritating "Mary Sues", whom I generally detest. I see him as a person, albeit not a human person. It's not even that fact that Sulley isn't human that makes me have serious misgivings about the Sulley/Boo fic; it's the fact that he is old enough to be her grandfather, he weighs around 1400 pounds, and his relationship with her has also been more like that of father and daughter, which would almost, but not quite, make such a relationship seem a bit incestuous. At least Randall is within the weight range for an adult male human.
But really, I do not see the point in having EVERY single fanfic character paired up with a same-sex partner, when it's not presented as "canon" by the creators of the tv series, book, movie, etc. Jess Winfield was adamant in his response on TVTome.com that Jumba and Pleakley were not lovers, but were just friends, for example. Lately there have even been several Foster's fics which have Mac and Bloo paired up(usually years down the road so Mac can at least be a teenager) and there are also a couple of Wilt/Eduardo fics. I do not even bother to read them. I just fail to grasp HOW slash pairings can be any more interesting, or any more exciting, to a straight fanfic writer, than a hetero pairing, IF you have to have a couple in the story. It's like the fanfics which take a light-hearted and funny series, and have all these demons and murders and gore everywhere-there's not one bit of logic there.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Oct 9, 2005 23:05:04 GMT -5
Whoa... Uhh....lets see here ummm....
"Slash" fics are kind of like those movies like Scream right?
Well....
Mmm...I'd rather not start until that's confirmed....
What I hate is "assumption".
FONY, it's ok, I knew it was a joke and everything....
But most people nowadays don't believe in "just friends".
Still....many of us here may believe in such things.
Heck. I've been living with Randall now for about three years now and we're best friends. Pfft....I saved his life for heaven's sake....not like I would go into a "relationship".
"Ahem..."
Oh....
"Well...I didn't expect to jump into a conversation such as this but.....
HA! I always thought that Sullivan and Wazowski had a thing for each other!"
Ran!
"Ok ok....just to take a punch at them is all...."
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"Ok...serious now....heh...yeah serious....anyway....you could simply say nobody finds the "Right" person and so they just make up stories and rumors about other people having "relationships" with those they have nearly NO "relationship" to....heck...it's just to make them feel better....."
You just thought that up?
"....Yeah....."
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 10, 2005 0:42:12 GMT -5
Whoa... Uhh....lets see here ummm.... "Slash" fics are kind of like those movies like Scream right? Well.... Mmm...I'd rather not start until that's confirmed.... What I hate is "assumption". Uhm, no, Sean, "slash" fics have NOTHING to do with movies like "Scream". Those are "SlashER" movies, totally different. In fanfiction and fanart, the term "slash" USUALLY, though I guess not always, refers to homosexual relationships. The "slash" part comes from the use of this symbol, /, inserted between the names of the partners, to denote that they have a sexual relationship. If someone, for example, states that their fic is going to be Sulley/Mike, or Sulley x Mike, this means that the writer is depicting them as MORE than "just friends", or will eventually have their relationship lead to that. pitbulllady |
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Post by ScrewyOldDame on Oct 10, 2005 2:28:56 GMT -5
Oh dear. Those revolting Willy/Charlie fics!? Just - awful. Mr. Dahl would be appalled! Haha...nice call though. I think that's pretty funny the two girls believed you!  |
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Post by lizardgirl on Oct 10, 2005 10:28:39 GMT -5
Okay, firstly, as a joke, FONY, that was a pretty interesting one to try, and even more interesting that those girls actually believed you! I admit to laughing out loud when I read your original post. But, no, I hate slash fics because it is so demeaning and just downright silly. But hey, it wasn't as though you wrote a whole story about Mike and Sulley in that way- you just told someone that they were for a joke, which is pretty funny, I think. So, joke- good. Slash- bad.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Oct 10, 2005 14:13:50 GMT -5
Uhh....
"Look at it this way Sean...since you don't know what it is....you've never done it...."
No of course not!
"Neither have I...."
Ok....now that that's settled....
I hate Slash then.
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