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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 24, 2013 18:04:36 GMT -5
Bear with me here, folks.
I've been involved in some interesting and eye-opening conversations with a fellow Randall fan on DA, who is studying law, btw, and who has a friend who used to work for Pixar back when Jobs was still alive and still very much in charge, before his health really stared to fail. This person brought up a theory that Randall, or at least, young MU Randy, is based on Jobs and included several facts to back up that position. Both were nerdy, geeky types in college who did not apparently fit in with the "normal" crowd. Both were very creative and intelligent. Both could be alternatively very funny, sweet and charming, but also ruthless in business, demanding perfection. Both had sometimes explosive tempers especially when they didn't get that expected perfection. Both saw themselves as innovators, paving a new path for others. Both were fond of coordinating colors and patterns in everything, that often included purple. Both wore round glasses. This DA user's friend mentioned that Jobs would often just suddenly pop in, seemingly out of nowhere, especially if someone was goofing off or slacking, and just chew them out just like Randall does with Fungus, so you never knew when he'd show up, but turn around the next day and do something nice for that person. Both were "neat freaks". Both had a sweet tooth and a fondness for cupcakes, coffee and doughnuts. You knew exactly what they thought of you-whether they liked you or didn't. Both were very ambitious and determined to succeed.
I really never had thought of it, and to be honest, the resemblance probably was coincidental in the first movie, but after realizing how popular Randall is, it is a possibility that Pixar will ramp up the Jobs analogy in MU, to make this very-popular character into a tribute for their founder, and the dorky, geeky Randy with the round glasses could very well have been inspired by the late entrepreneur.
We also discussed the very likely scenario that Waternoose, who originally had very little if any role in the MI screenplay, was directly inspired by Disney CEO Michael Eisner, something that we have discussed here many times. In fact, in a memo to Eisner, John Lasseter pleaded with Disney not to take over the Pixar characters, describing them as Pixar's "children", and stating that Eisner would be "kidnapping" them(sound familiar?), all this around the time that the final script for MI was being written. At that time, Jobs was willing to go along with that in order to salvage the deal between Pixar and Disney, making his relationship with Eisner(whom he utterly despised and vice versa) seem even more like that uneasy and unbalanced partnership between Randall and Waternoose, with both Waternoose and Eisner struggling to keep things afloat in their own respective companies, using whoever they could in order to do so, and both Jobs and Randall willing to compromise their own ethics to partner with their more-powerful bosses in order survive, even though both Randall and Jobs had no love lost for Waternoose or Eisner, respectively and hated having to capitulate to them.
This person also agrees that in having Sulley and Mike toss Randall into that trailer, Pixar committed what was one of their worst "foot in mouth" situations, terribly underestimating how popular Randall would become, and stated that if Pixar does reveal that Randall is dead, thus making murderers of Mike and Sulley, that Pixar should be awarded the "WTF script-writing award of all time". Furthermore, he/she stated that when seeing MI in theaters, right after it came out, that several young children in the audience actually started crying and screaming when the woman attacked Randall with the shovel, not understanding that they were supposed to find humor in the Cajuns' speech or mannerisms but rather becoming upset over what was happening to Randall. I've often experienced that young children have related more to Randall and had a deeper understanding of WHY he did what he did, along with understanding that he was NOT that bad a guy, than most older kids and young adults, who are more likely to see him as "evil" and believe that he got what he deserved, so it is no big surprise to me that younger children would be upset by his obvious pain and terror in that scene.
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Post by number-1-scarer on Mar 24, 2013 18:25:40 GMT -5
ye the thing about the kids getting upset. i was about 6 or 7 when i went to go see mi when it came out and i loved randall before i even went to see the movie ( my nan bought me that crappy stuffed toy from a cheap shop for some reason) but me and my brother who was 4 at the time were both upset about his last scenes partly because of how disturbing they were and partly because we didnt want him out of the film lol.
but then again i was also one of the few people who didnt celebrate the death of binladen. i dont realy care how vile someone is i just feel uncomfortable celebrating someone elses pain and/or death.
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Post by mintygreen on Mar 25, 2013 1:44:43 GMT -5
Bear with me here, folks. I've been involved in some interesting and eye-opening conversations with a fellow Randall fan on DA, who is studying law, btw, and who has a friend who used to work for Pixar back when Jobs was still alive and still very much in charge, before his health really stared to fail. This person brought up a theory that Randall, or at least, young MU Randy, is based on Jobs and included several facts to back up that position. Both were nerdy, geeky types in college who did not apparently fit in with the "normal" crowd. Both were very creative and intelligent. Both could be alternatively very funny, sweet and charming, but also ruthless in business, demanding perfection. Both had sometimes explosive tempers especially when they didn't get that expected perfection. Both saw themselves as innovators, paving a new path for others. Both were fond of coordinating colors and patterns in everything, that often included purple. Both wore round glasses. This DA user's friend mentioned that Jobs would often just suddenly pop in, seemingly out of nowhere, especially if someone was goofing off or slacking, and just chew them out just like Randall does with Fungus, so you never knew when he'd show up, but turn around the next day and do something nice for that person. Both were "neat freaks". Both had a sweet tooth and a fondness for cupcakes, coffee and doughnuts. You knew exactly what they thought of you-whether they liked you or didn't. Both were very ambitious and determined to succeed. I really never had thought of it, and to be honest, the resemblance probably was coincidental in the first movie, but after realizing how popular Randall is, it is a possibility that Pixar will ramp up the Jobs analogy in MU, to make this very-popular character into a tribute for their founder, and the dorky, geeky Randy with the round glasses could very well have been inspired by the late entrepreneur. We also discussed the very likely scenario that Waternoose, who originally had very little if any role in the MI screenplay, was directly inspired by Disney CEO Michael Eisner, something that we have discussed here many times. In fact, in a memo to Eisner, John Lasseter pleaded with Disney not to take over the Pixar characters, describing them as Pixar's "children", and stating that Eisner would be "kidnapping" them(sound familiar?), all this around the time that the final script for MI was being written. At that time, Jobs was willing to go along with that in order to salvage the deal between Pixar and Disney, making his relationship with Eisner(whom he utterly despised and vice versa) seem even more like that uneasy and unbalanced partnership between Randall and Waternoose, with both Waternoose and Eisner struggling to keep things afloat in their own respective companies, using whoever they could in order to do so, and both Jobs and Randall willing to compromise their own ethics to partner with their more-powerful bosses in order survive, even though both Randall and Jobs had no love lost for Waternoose or Eisner, respectively and hated having to capitulate to them. This person also agrees that in having Sulley and Mike toss Randall into that trailer, Pixar committed what was one of their worst "foot in mouth" situations, terribly underestimating how popular Randall would become, and stated that if Pixar does reveal that Randall is dead, thus making murderers of Mike and Sulley, that Pixar should be awarded the "WTF script-writing award of all time". Furthermore, he/she stated that when seeing MI in theaters, right after it came out, that several young children in the audience actually started crying and screaming when the woman attacked Randall with the shovel, not understanding that they were supposed to find humor in the Cajuns' speech or mannerisms but rather becoming upset over what was happening to Randall. I've often experienced that young children have related more to Randall and had a deeper understanding of WHY he did what he did, along with understanding that he was NOT that bad a guy, than most older kids and young adults, who are more likely to see him as "evil" and believe that he got what he deserved, so it is no big surprise to me that younger children would be upset by his obvious pain and terror in that scene. pitbulllady It's too bad that we probably can't really confirm this....but that's certainly interesting and it does line up and make sense. Does Pixar really admit that they made a mistake with what they did to Randall at the end of the film? Anyway, in some ways I wish the movie had been around when I was a little girl because I am curious how I would have reacted to it had I still been a child.....although I never liked or agreed with what happened to Randall, even the first time that I saw it when I was 17. I really wasn't a child by that age anymore though....and am still curious how I would have reacted had I been an actual kid. |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 25, 2013 17:49:09 GMT -5
*shuffles back*
You know, one of the stores I frequent...is a Goodwill.
No laugh folks, you can find some great stuff at a Goodwill (I've found television boxsets, anime, etc.)...
And I found this...three-part video set about...well I have it somewhere here...but I believe it was about an innovative group, I think in silicon valley, and involved people like Steve Jobs (if I recall)...when he was younger. I'll look at it sometime when I...find it...
And you know what...if Pixar has taken some of Steve's mannerisms to bolster Randall's (though let's all agree, Randall's his own monster, not some knock-offer hehehe)...then you know what this means? They're, in effect, having Randall be a virtual HONOR to Steve Jobs. Considering the guy made Apple (I think) AND Pixar (I think)...this is a positive thing I think.
This may be a good direction to show that Randall is NOT going to be portrayed as a DIRECT antagonist, simply competitive and "doing his own thing", it just happens to coincide with Sullivan and Wazowski.
Considering the director's bit about "we were all different in college" and showing a picture of himself (right?) at that age...wouldn't be too out of the box to think there was some influence.
CRYING? Really? Well...tears are the foundation of sequels hehehehehe.
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Mistake? Maybe. Considering that MI was practically "set", it wasn't till later that people started to "get" and discover that "something was wrong" with what happened. Myself, Pitbulllady, and a few others discover bits and pieces and facts that began building the foundation that Randall was more than a "villain"...to the point that he wasn't one at all. Antagonist (in dictionary terms), yes, but no evil-at-heart reptile.
By now, that information is out and about and it seems Pixar is now aware, given how Randall is shown in MU. They may see to what MU does for fans (and box office) and see how a sequel would come about (parts of which, are easy).
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 25, 2013 18:52:13 GMT -5
*shuffles back* You know, one of the stores I frequent...is a Goodwill. No laugh folks, you can find some great stuff at a Goodwill (I've found television boxsets, anime, etc.)... And I found this...three-part video set about...well I have it somewhere here...but I believe it was about an innovative group, I think in silicon valley, and involved people like Steve Jobs (if I recall)...when he was younger. I'll look at it sometime when I...find it... And you know what...if Pixar has taken some of Steve's mannerisms to bolster Randall's (though let's all agree, Randall's his own monster, not some knock-offer hehehe)...then you know what this means? They're, in effect, having Randall be a virtual HONOR to Steve Jobs. Considering the guy made Apple (I think) AND Pixar (I think)...this is a positive thing I think. This may be a good direction to show that Randall is NOT going to be portrayed as a DIRECT antagonist, simply competitive and "doing his own thing", it just happens to coincide with Sullivan and Wazowski. Considering the director's bit about "we were all different in college" and showing a picture of himself (right?) at that age...wouldn't be too out of the box to think there was some influence. CRYING? Really? Well...tears are the foundation of sequels hehehehehe. =========== Mistake? Maybe. Considering that MI was practically "set", it wasn't till later that people started to "get" and discover that "something was wrong" with what happened. Myself, Pitbulllady, and a few others discover bits and pieces and facts that began building the foundation that Randall was more than a "villain"...to the point that he wasn't one at all. Antagonist (in dictionary terms), yes, but no evil-at-heart reptile. By now, that information is out and about and it seems Pixar is now aware, given how Randall is shown in MU. They may see to what MU does for fans (and box office) and see how a sequel would come about (parts of which, are easy). In nearly all of the script treatments for MI, Randall wasn't even an antagonist-CHILDREN were, along with the monsters' own fears. Randall often was written as irascible and loud-mouthed, but not really bad and not really against anyone, just a tad abrasive. At some point someone decided to make him the overt "bad guy" in MI, the primary antagonist who opposes the heroes. As the poster pointed out today, the main reason for that scene where Mike and Sulley get rid of Randall was so they could have that showdown with Waternoose in the Simulator Room and have him confess to everything, but had Randall still been around and been turned over to the CDA, as would have been the right thing to do, HE would have snitched on his boss big-time and there would have been no need for that conflict with Waternoose(now whether anyone would have believed Randall's side or not is another story). This guy who has been responding to me is in the Czech Republic, but has lived in America and has excellent command of English and knowledge of our legal system. I'm pretty sure he's not BSing me when he said that he had close friends who worked at Pixar during the time that MI was being made and after it was released, since his "take" on Randall's development really seems to have a lot of "inside" information that doesn't sound faked or just "wishful thinking". He also said he's seen all of the MU Randall toys including many that have not been shown on the internet as of this time, and that they're all very cute and friendly. He mentioned an obscure film directed by Dan Scanlon that I'd never heard of, in which the "bad guy" finds redemption and everyone finds a happy ending, and seems to think that this is Scanlon's trademark. I certainly hope that's the case. Normally, when someone claims to have "inside information" or to "know someone" who works for Pixar, etc., I get suspicious, since most of the time it turns out to be some kid who wants everyone to read their fanfic and think it's a real script. I really do think this guy is legit, though. pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 25, 2013 18:58:14 GMT -5
Yes yes, he was originally in a "trio" as it were of protagonists.
Poster? What poster?
*prods head* Yes...an as "protagonists", Sullivan and Wazowski got the "license to off-the-baddy" at the time. Still...trial would have been boring, in most circumstances, to watch in film but...
*folds arms* Well not as if some of us aren't as talented with information *wink wink* Heh heh.
As for redemption...if it's his trademark, that's good for us. Unfortunately...MU won't solve the end of MI's issue...BUT...hopefully it sets things up that Randall was a good person, and his more...abrasive personality is just a part of him. It's not always welcome, but it's not an evil trait either.
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Post by randallsnape7 on Mar 7, 2014 21:33:34 GMT -5
NO... No.. No... Does comparing Randall Boggs with Steve Jobs mean that RANDALL is gonna die? NO WAY...
Bad, bad, BAD idea... we can't afford this!
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 7, 2014 22:55:03 GMT -5
NO... No.. No... Does comparing Randall Boggs with Steve Jobs mean that RANDALL is gonna die? NO WAY... Bad, bad, BAD idea... we can't afford this! LOL, well, that's what I said when you first compared Randall to Snape! I knew that Snape died, after all, and I don't want that for Randall. This thread was started before MU came out, though, and while I can believe that MI Randall was to some extent inspired by Steve Jobs, young Randall's background seems quite different. Jobs was already the "take charge" sort, not shy at all, nor lacking confidence, and that latter issue is at the root of most of Randall's problems throughout his entire life. Jobs admitted that his later health issues were due to him making some not-so-smart choices, including drug use, in his younger days, and we don't see that with Randall. pitbulllady |
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