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Post by lizardgirl on Feb 8, 2013 20:21:44 GMT -5
So this video gives us a bit more of an idea of the premise of MU (though it pretty much goes over stuff we know already): www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYd_oHbkjPY&feature=player_embeddedNow, I'm just putting it out there, but does anyone else love the fact that when referring to other familiar faces from MI that we'll be seeing aside from Mike and Sulley, he only mentions Randall specifically? It's as though he KNOWS that everyone is clamouring for a bit of Randall and in making this video, he was like, "well, we'd better say something about the guy otherwise his fans might explode". It might just the fact that Randall is one of the only other monsters from MI to return in MU, but I'm sure in one of the drawings of the different fraternities we see a younger George, the orange and yellow monster. I guess he only plays a really minor part in MU, but still, just the way they tagged on "...and here's Randall!" seemed almost a little forced haha. I'm disappointed we still haven't seen any footage of Randall yet, but I get the feeling we won't have to wait much longer... |
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Post by lizardgirl on Feb 8, 2013 20:23:42 GMT -5
Also, the bit where he's like, "we all looked a bit different in college..."
All I could think of was RANDALL RANDALL RANDALL at that point haha, seeing as he's changed so much!
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 8, 2013 21:21:23 GMT -5
Would have gotten to this sooner, but had to load the vid.
WELL, interesting that the director is taking a hands on (some-what solo?) experience in this little preview. While what is being said isn't really news, the visual presentation art AND the sorority/fraternity "group images" are something to peer at.
As for Randall, yeah he's the only named one...since people have been commenting on Fungus and Celia coming in on this, also George of course (though if everyone got in to M.I. at the same time, George is SERIOUSLY lacking skill), Randall was mentioned.
What I find interesting is the use of his full name, Randall Boggs. I mean usually all you have to say is Randall for something related to Monsters Inc. and a person usually knows who your talking about (even at the basis). Sure, Sullivan and Wazowski were, but that makes it more interesting. Full name = bigger part?
I find the "Save the Slime" monsters interesting. I mean this was...like the 1990s...what are these? Retro-Hippies??
Then we have the prepies...or rather the stuck-upish "pretty in pink" sorority....which Celia MAY be in...? Dunno...but it was highlighted briefly so that's my current guess.
Then we have the gothish types (ok....WHY is there no gargoyle? I dunno why, it seems like a gargoyle should be there...) These girls remind me a little of the...the sorority that was brought in on the fraternity in Revenge of the Nerds....though it looks like these girls can hold their own in anything.
Then there's ROR...the guys in the white/red. Yep they look jockish to me...though...find it weird that bug guy there was in the teaser trailer (the weird bit being, if he's a JOCK, which I believe he is, and according to this preview, WHY was he in the "geek fraternity" in the teaser?)
The guys in the blue and white....uhh...what do they call them? Alumni maybe?
Then we got the HUGE coliseum-esque scareing hearing room...and the Dean.
...OK...maybe it's because I play disgaea...but doesn't she look more like DEMON rather than a monster? Maybe that's how many students see her...
From the image, it looks like the tryouts are one at a time...so maybe Sullivan and Wazowski didn't even get to THAT...
And the Scare Games...
Ok...I know the ROR are the jocks here....so JOX is a play on words....even so....how'd GEORGE get in there?? And look at that face...OK...somebodys trying to put up a good front...maybe George has himself some anger issues...even though it was justified, look at what he did to his friend, the scare assistant formally known as.........forgot his name for the moment.
Ok...why are the pink girls...basically color swaps?? Either it's a specific race-quality or, in the words of Syndrome, their parents "got buzy".
HSS and GRR together? Oooh...hey Waxford, found ya girl to try out there...
Squishy had a deeper voice than I had originally thought, but his personality is still on key.
Oh hey look, Christmas Tree in the background there.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 9, 2013 7:48:27 GMT -5
I can't tell if Dean Hardscrabble is a guy or a gal, but he/she/it reminds me of the Grand Councilwoman in "Lilo and Stitch"-tall, no-nonsense, got that "I-am-not-amused" look all the time.
I DO find it interesting that Scanlon specifically mentioned Randall, and by his first AND last name at that, out of all the other returning characters. While it's not much to go on insofar as how Randall will be portrayed, it does seem to indicate that the director is well aware of Randall's loyal fanbase and his popularity in general.
That "Save The Slime" thing is a nod to the Greenpeace "Save the Whales" campaign of the '80's, when they were always protesting something, somewhere.
George's Scare Assistant in the original movie was named "Charlie", aka "Charlie the Snitch".
As far the pink girls, I'd guess it's a sorority thing, with pink make-up for those who aren't naturally that color, as I know of at least one sorority whose color is pink, and even long-graduated former members are still obsessive over that color, lol.
And that "Scare Pig", or whatever it is, is so freakishly cute that HSUS is probably already working to pass legislation to ban them before they catch on in popularity.
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Post by lizardgirl on Feb 9, 2013 9:16:00 GMT -5
You know, I hadn't even thought about Dan Scanlon saying Randall's whole name! Thing is though, like you said, both Mike and Sulley's full names were used, so I guess they wanted continuity in the video. And though I don't think that in itself is an indicator of Randall having a large role, I do think that the storyline Dan Scanlon has revealed thus far is only a very small proportion of what actually happens- and I wouldn't be surprised if Randall did have a big input in all of the stuff that goes on and that hasn't been hinted at yet.
Dean Hardscrabble genuinely reminds me of the (ex) Dean of the Faculty of Sciences at my own university...She was a fierce woman, not to be messed around with. But once you got to know her or if you impressed her in some way, she would show a softer side. I hope Dean Hardscrabble is a bit like that- no-nonsense 99% of the time, but with that tiny little soft spot for certain students, perhaps? This is just conjecture, though.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 9, 2013 20:26:44 GMT -5
I can only recall the major details...but I believe Hardscrabble is female. Anybody guess she has something WORSE than a ruler under the deans desk?
Well Sullivan and Wazowski had their full names mentioned if I recall, but since they're the main characters that's acceptably obvious.
Ten years later...kind of a stretch-reference to me...but oh well, that's thinking in human terms rather than monster terms.
Ah yes Charlie, now I remember...thank you for that.
The pink's not so confusing (Pink as emPOWERing?)...as is the similiar features of the sorority group.
Archie, yes...apparently that big, if I recall, is not only able to sustain the weight of Wazowski, but also Sullivan. Then again Sullivan could be getting his own bike, which he IS able to pull off...
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Oh thing I thought about after taking my mind off it...is interesting.
LG, you remember the poster bits? Sullivan and Wazowski on one, Randall and the ROR leader on the other? Well, some people have thought that they represented "good guys" and "bad guys" fraternities...which of course is rather close minded....
BUT...when I thought about it later...Randall was NOT in the group of the ROR fraternity. NOT in the initial sketch work NOR in the Scare Games render shots. We see GEORGE, however, returning, and IS in there.
So what this seems to show is that Randall is NOT in a fraternity. That he, indeed, is new on the University scene as Sullivan and Wazowski is. AND that he is NOT with the jockish fraternity, by extension, who seem to be the antagonistic group (as per Nerds).
So this is a good sign.
Also, didn't seem him in the "swear-in" either for the "nerd fraternity", so maybe while we may not see him at the start, Randall may come in as a sort of wild card later.
A small thing is that the little that have been shown of Randall seems to be a tease. There in fact may be more they'll show in relation to him than simply a "returning" person.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 10, 2013 14:30:23 GMT -5
I can only recall the major details...but I believe Hardscrabble is female. Anybody guess she has something WORSE than a ruler under the deans desk? Well Sullivan and Wazowski had their full names mentioned if I recall, but since they're the main characters that's acceptably obvious. Ten years later...kind of a stretch-reference to me...but oh well, that's thinking in human terms rather than monster terms. Ah yes Charlie, now I remember...thank you for that. The pink's not so confusing (Pink as emPOWERing?)...as is the similiar features of the sorority group. Archie, yes...apparently that big, if I recall, is not only able to sustain the weight of Wazowski, but also Sullivan. Then again Sullivan could be getting his own bike, which he IS able to pull off... ===== Oh thing I thought about after taking my mind off it...is interesting. LG, you remember the poster bits? Sullivan and Wazowski on one, Randall and the ROR leader on the other? Well, some people have thought that they represented "good guys" and "bad guys" fraternities...which of course is rather close minded.... BUT...when I thought about it later...Randall was NOT in the group of the ROR fraternity. NOT in the initial sketch work NOR in the Scare Games render shots. We see GEORGE, however, returning, and IS in there. So what this seems to show is that Randall is NOT in a fraternity. That he, indeed, is new on the University scene as Sullivan and Wazowski is. AND that he is NOT with the jockish fraternity, by extension, who seem to be the antagonistic group (as per Nerds). So this is a good sign. Also, didn't seem him in the "swear-in" either for the "nerd fraternity", so maybe while we may not see him at the start, Randall may come in as a sort of wild card later. A small thing is that the little that have been shown of Randall seems to be a tease. There in fact may be more they'll show in relation to him than simply a "returning" person. I wondered how Randall figures into all this frat stuff, too. I know that stereotyping someone because of their looks(and Lord knows the poor guy has had to deal with enough of THAT)isn't right, but honestly, looking at young Randall in that banner pic, I can't see him as a frat guy, period. Not everyone who goes to a college or university joins a fraternity or sorority. I never did, never felt any desire to do so, since they came across to me as nothing more than glorified drinking clubs. Randall seems more of that "wild card" type you mentioned, someone who doesn't fit in with any of the fraternities, too smart to fit in with either the nerds or the jocks. It's possible that he might not even be a student, given how young he looks. Hopefully within the near future, before the movie is released, we'll get some more official information rather than just speculation, that will clear up some of the mystery, at least. pitbulllady |
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Post by lizardgirl on Feb 10, 2013 18:42:35 GMT -5
I'm torn as to whether I can imagine him in a frat or not. On the one hand, like you said PBL, he might just not fit into any of those groups and sees them for what they are- exaggerated social cliques that do nothing but increase a sense of rivalry between students (and if he feels that he won't fit into any of them, he wouldn't experience the main benefit of being part of a frat- that feeling of inclusion).
On the other hand, I think we can all agree Randall has a naive side to him, and especially considering how young he looked in that poster we saw with him wearing his glasses, I wouldn't be surprised if he realised that being part of a fraternity was a way of trying to fit in, and so joined one just to feel included. There's an aspect of his personality that is easily swayed, for sure. He's not quite a sheep or anything, but understandably sometimes he does want to go with the crowd, and this is probably the case even more so when he was a youngster.
Well, hopefully we might find out something tomorrow- the first official trailer for MU is rumoured to be released in the next 24 hours or so. Fingers crossed we'll be seeing the first footage of Randall in his younger days!
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 10, 2013 21:50:46 GMT -5
I'm torn as to whether I can imagine him in a frat or not. On the one hand, like you said PBL, he might just not fit into any of those groups and sees them for what they are- exaggerated social cliques that do nothing but increase a sense of rivalry between students (and if he feels that he won't fit into any of them, he wouldn't experience the main benefit of being part of a frat- that feeling of inclusion). On the other hand, I think we can all agree Randall has a naive side to him, and especially considering how young he looked in that poster we saw with him wearing his glasses, I wouldn't be surprised if he realised that being part of a fraternity was a way of trying to fit in, and so joined one just to feel included. There's an aspect of his personality that is easily swayed, for sure. He's not quite a sheep or anything, but understandably sometimes he does want to go with the crowd, and this is probably the case even more so when he was a youngster. Well, hopefully we might find out something tomorrow- the first official trailer for MU is rumoured to be released in the next 24 hours or so. Fingers crossed we'll be seeing the first footage of Randall in his younger days! It does make sense that if Randall DID try to join a frat, it would be in order to fit in and feel accepted, and indeed, as we have discussed here often, being accepted and respected and fitting in appears to be at the bottom of Randall's involvement with the Scream Extractor in the first place. He saw it as a means of being finally accepted, so I would not be surprised if, in the university days, he really was an outcast who was excluded by "all of the other reindeer", as TvTropes would call them. If Sulley eventually experiences success at Randall's expense, that would explain how the rivalry began. Looking at that college-age pic, it's easy to see how most of the students would simply see Randall as a nerd, someone to be made fun of, not someone that most would want in their "cliques", and if he already came from a lonely background, it would really establish a lifelong psychological/emotional desperation to be accepted by his peers, and failing to be able to achieve this would certainly create a serious and growing instability that would lead up to him taking the chance with that machine. pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 11, 2013 19:11:57 GMT -5
One thing to remember is there are two things in this topic bit...Randall, and a Fraternity. Now, lets look at Randall...as I explained, he looks nervous, unsure, but hardly threatening at all. Now a Fraternity, at the basis, is considered a brotherhood and, for reason I don't really get (given hazing and what not), looks good on a resume. Now, this is a "group"...and well...nervous guy, just in college, wants to have friends and respect...Randall would see the appeal.
Randall does look exceedingly young (and perhaps VERY shorter...given 10 years), but other than student, unsure how he'd fit in (not "fit in" as in in a group, fit into how he is in the story).
If there's a trailer...the reason they haven't shown it yet is because maybe they're picking out WHAT to show. This recent one with the director was probably "meat to the crowd" in order to satisfy fans. And given Randall's appeal...maybe they're debating what to show of him, or anything at all.
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Randall would want to get into a frat to be part of a group...but in the end I don't think he'd be able to handle intiations and the like, or would be turned away (ROR for instance) because of his appearence and, probably, quirks.
I think that, in a form of foreshadowing, what happens to Randall that causes him to harden is something related to this. Maybe he tries to get into the most popular fraternity, but there's no way they would let him in, so they egg him on to do things just for their amusement, but in the end they have no intention of letting him join.
I think I mentioned before, also, that Sullivan would have a hand in this. A difference with Revenge of the Nerds is that Sullivan fits the Jock aspect while none of the characters in Nerds (the fraternity in there) did. So he might aim to get out of Ozma Slugga (or whatever the frat was called) and INTO a better one, but that he'd have to do something to a certain student....
Now this may be Wazowski...would go with the plot...but maybe it could be Randall for some reason...or maybe Randall gets in the CROSSFIRE between the two's feuding (perhaps even their feud or make-up resulted in Randall's dislike of the two)
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