Will you watch MI2 if they **** Randall?

[tmazanec1]

If Randall is a nasty villain again and dies in the sequel, will you watch the sequel?
I suppose I will. I will be disappointed, but much of the enchantment of the Monster World is seeing our world reflected in it, as a "skewed" version of Reality. I would love to see more details of this world (that is the reason I spent so much of my scanty funds to get books and other material on the movie). So I will watch the movie to learn more about the Monster World. But I might wait till it comes out in DVD and rent it (unless I can get a friend or family member to go with me).

[mentalguru]

I will see it, but mostly see whether there is anything to be salvaged from it in the end. I'd want to see for myself firsthand.

I just really hope they don't go down the route of "Well Randall was pure evil, that makes what Sulley and Mike did concerning the exile okay!" if they realise there are some questions surrounding that idea or realise the plot hole for themselves.

Because even in the case of Randall BEING pure evil it doesn't make what they did right. Nor does it make sense if it was legal, even if they try to sell that (Randall being pure evil) and made it in any way believable. Because it doesn't cancel out their own actions.

It would be a cheap way of hand waving that kind of thing (not to mention as I stated, it just doesn't work even in the context of Randall being pure evil), not to mention the fact the action has various interesting ramifications if they decided to take the opportunity and thus it would seem like a waste. The whole thing surrounding Randall's exile is the reason I feel a sequel is necessary to begin with, and it would be an incredible completition to Sulley's own character arc if it was adressed, but I doubt we'll see something satisfactory in that area.

I think it's very possible Randall will return to a similar role as he had in the first movie if at all really. Or made worse.

Another way to make it worse would to make it seem like he was going to be good but it turns out it was all a trick- as in he tricks Sulley and Mike (who is the most distrustful) was 'right all along'- and in that senario he doesn't even change his mind about the whole idea of tricking them or turn things around. That would really suck because it would build up hopes only to be dashed.

I will see it, just to see it for myself, because even if he becomes an antagonist in this movie, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the end for him or there's nothing fns can do in fanfic/fanart etc. But I'm not all that optimistic about it TBH.

[RandallBoggs]

The conundrum is that you would HAVE to see the film to know heh heh.

Mental does make a point...what happened to Randall is the most influential thing for a sequel. I mean...Sullivan and Boo? Can pretty much picture them still being friends. Celia and Wazowski? Can pretty much think they might be married. Sure, you can tell these stories, but it's not enough without a "bulk".
Personally I think Randall can make that bulk, as the main story. And Sullivan and Boo, Wazowski and Celia, can be the "sub-plots". That's the way I'm aiming for myself...

[Veg]

I'll still watch it no matter what.
I've grown up with Pixar and I'm not going to stop watching their movies just because they made Randall a villian.

[mentalguru]

Well actually RB, Boo and Sulley's relationship could be quite the wild card- I mean it would be pretty cheap of Pixar if they decided to hand-wave the whole parent issue entirely if they ever turned up on screen themselves. It would be an area of difficulty for Sulley.

I mean, not many parents would be all that happy for someone without their knowledge having access to their daughter. Or Sulley and Mike having any access at all in the manner they do. Any decent parent would not be pleased at this.

I mean two people from another world (or heck OUR world) sneaking into their daughters room in the middle of the night. No real parent would be happy with that at all.

If the movie does have them finding out, they HAVE to react to it, and probably BADLY for good reason. If they do decide to explore this issue at all, if they make both parents automatically fine with it or in the event they react badly, they make out as if they're acting stupidly and should be automatically trusting it would be terrible. I mean, we as the audience know Sulley wouldn't try to hurt Boo, but they wouldn't know that, nor would it be right if they automatically trusted them easily. It wouldn't make sense and mean they were terrible parents.

The parent issue would be another very interesting factor to add to the movie. I kind of hope, even though we haven't seen them, that they're not protaryed badly myself. Either in the sense they don't react to the situation a normal parent would, or in the event them do- they're dragged through the mud because of it and have to 'learn a lesson'.

[RandallBoggs]

I didn't mean to downplay Sullivan and Boo's relationship. It is an interesting one afterall. And when you deal with the fact that Boo WILL eventually grow up, it's unknown if she'd keep up the relationship as well. And also, not to mention that Sullivan IS NOT suppose to be visiting her. As far as the CIA are concerned (they've had a year to check, which is how long it took for Wazowski to amazingly re-construct the door), the door was destroyed.

Sullivan, the creepy shaggy uncle ^0^

*thinks on both Ran and Vee*....Well that depends if they got to know the parents heh ^_^

I find it a little smultzy if one goes for "ahh they are all fearful and evasive" to "ah it's ok, be back by 9 honey" kind of thing with Boo's parents...

[pitbulllady]

Nope, I won't. We will probably get enough "feedback" from previews within a few weeks of release to know if Randall is in the sequel, and get some inkling of what his role will be. Plus, until I can hear from someone who has actually seen it and they can recommend it to me, knowing I'm a Randall fan(and I do not mean "Disney-Villain Randall", either), I will avoid it like plague. IF Randall is not in it, OR he is, and gets shafted once again, not only will I not go see the sequel, but I will NEVER watch another Pixar movie or spend money that in any way, shape or form winds up in Pixar's hands, as long as I live, period.
Yes, I DO feel that strongly about it. Mike and Sulley and Boo do not mean that much to me to pull me into a theater. THEY weren't the reasons I bought the DVD in the first place. Randall WAS.

pitbulllady

[RandallBoggs]

While previews in most circumstances reveal much of a film...word of mouth would be a better option to hearing about what goes on.
Such dedication *nods*

[mentalguru]

It would have to be gradual the trust involved (re: Boo's parents), if possible them being thrown into the mix as well.

Boo's parents/guardians simply worry me in terms of the sequel and how they'd be protrayed. Granted I'm more worried for the characters we actually have SEEN but they are another source of controversy and another place where things could utterly fail spectaculary. If they use Boo again.... can they really get away with not showing them a second time? I despise the old fanfic point of making Boo 'OTT' abused- since she shows no evidence of that and while that's too 'dark' for Pixar I'm worried they'll completely and utterly shame them for behaving like real parents would- if they do find out about Sulley. BECAUSE OMG, THEY SHOULD TOTES REALISE SULLEY WOULD NEVER HURT BOO AUTOMATICALYY HE RADIATES SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS!!!!11ONEELEVNTY

No. Just no. Sulley might come across as a nice and likeable guy generally, but I... don't care how nice you are, if anyone- human or alien- snuck into one of my cousin's sons rooms like that quite possibly the first natural reaction of my cousin or his wife would be to want to kick their ass.

It doesn't matter how you come across in personality in that regard. Your ass. It will be theirs if they find out.

It might be best if they didn't touch the parent issue at all by not showing them, but even that would kind of bother me.

Granted we have little evidence (as of yet) as to what the FULL ramifications were. I mean granted, after a year or so Boo is still there in the same house- she hasn't been 'taken away from them' I guess... (unless they ARE and other relatives have both her and the house now.... buuuut I kind of doubt that, then again I do not know the details regarding that sort of situation entirely- only that in many areas of the world including the US, the first suspect IS the parents that even when they find you not guilty officially, it doesn't mean the public accepts that). But it's quite likely any legal hoo-hah with her being missing for a day was cleared- it remained a 'mystery' perhaps- that with no false sign of entry for 24 hours she simply 'disappeared', turning right back up in her room again.

But... that doesn't mean the people in the area believe them. For all we know, Boo's parents are now outcasts in the community- unless of course NO-ONE NOTICED she was gone. Say in the case of the stupid/neglectful/forgetful/all of the above one-shot babysitter while they were away on a business trip/second honeymoon/whatever. It couldn't be the regular one if there is one.

(I mean seriously, I could... almost see a kid disappearing for 24 hours it if it was just a house-sitter making sure a teenager didn't throw a party/burn the house down- such as a neighbour checking in now and then to make sure- but someone who isn't even three yet?... It's not like she wouldn't need meals made up for her and even disregarding THAT- you can't expect kids at that age to show much sense most of the time- you'd have to make sure she didn't fall down the stairs. While holding scissors. And a plastic bag over her head. I could buy it if Boo was away just one NIGHT, because after all they'd be asleep, but not 24 hours. No-one checking up on her at that time? Guh. That would be EXTREME neglect at her age.)

[RandallBoggs]

Of course there's always the slight possibility that M.I. 2 might also NOT be the end to things...Toy Story 3 was thought to be the end, but talks, if I recall, on a fourth installment have been done. Who knows if Pixar might do a third one of it, and of Cars....

Boo does NOT seem like the type to have been abused. In fact she seemed to be doted a little bit, with the kind of parents that probably let her indulge her interests.
You know she might actually have the opposite of what Randall...ermm...well yeah...

Let's just hope that the Mr. in the category doesn't have a shotgun closeby....

[pitbulllady]

Nov 24, 2010 12:15:35 GMT -5 mentalguru said:

It would have to be gradual the trust involved (re: Boo's parents), if possible them being thrown into the mix as well.

Boo's parents/guardians simply worry me in terms of the sequel and how they'd be protrayed. Granted I'm more worried for the characters we actually have SEEN but they are another source of controversy and another place where things could utterly fail spectaculary. If they use Boo again.... can they really get away with not showing them a second time? I despise the old fanfic point of making Boo 'OTT' abused- since she shows no evidence of that and while that's too 'dark' for Pixar I'm worried they'll completely and utterly shame them for behaving like real parents would- if they do find out about Sulley. BECAUSE OMG, THEY SHOULD TOTES REALISE SULLEY WOULD NEVER HURT BOO AUTOMATICALYY HE RADIATES SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS!!!!11ONEELEVNTY

No. Just no. Sulley might come across as a nice and likeable guy generally, but I... don't care how nice you are, if anyone- human or alien- snuck into one of my cousin's sons rooms like that quite possibly the first natural reaction of my cousin or his wife would be to want to kick their ass.

It doesn't matter how you come across in personality in that regard. Your ass. It will be theirs if they find out.

It might be best if they didn't touch the parent issue at all by not showing them, but even that would kind of bother me.

Granted we have little evidence (as of yet) as to what the FULL ramifications were. I mean granted, after a year or so Boo is still there in the same house- she hasn't been 'taken away from them' I guess... (unless they ARE and other relatives have both her and the house now.... buuuut I kind of doubt that, then again I do not know the details regarding that sort of situation entirely- only that in many areas of the world including the US, the first suspect IS the parents that even when they find you not guilty officially, it doesn't mean the public accepts that). But it's quite likely any legal hoo-hah with her being missing for a day was cleared- it remained a 'mystery' perhaps- that with no false sign of entry for 24 hours she simply 'disappeared', turning right back up in her room again.

But... that doesn't mean the people in the area believe them. For all we know, Boo's parents are now outcasts in the community- unless of course NO-ONE NOTICED she was gone. Say in the case of the stupid/neglectful/forgetful/all of the above one-shot babysitter while they were away on a business trip/second honeymoon/whatever. It couldn't be the regular one if there is one.

(I mean seriously, I could... almost see a kid disappearing for 24 hours it if it was just a house-sitter making sure a teenager didn't throw a party/burn the house down- such as a neighbour checking in now and then to make sure- but someone who isn't even three yet?... It's not like she wouldn't need meals made up for her and even disregarding THAT- you can't expect kids at that age to show much sense most of the time- you'd have to make sure she didn't fall down the stairs. While holding scissors. And a plastic bag over her head. I could buy it if Boo was away just one NIGHT, because after all they'd be asleep, but not 24 hours. No-one checking up on her at that time? Guh. That would be EXTREME neglect at her age.)

As I've mentioned before, based on the architecture of Boo's room, she almost certainly lived in the Deep South of the US, most likely along the southern Atlantic coast, in or near an old port city. The windows style, the high ceilings(Sulley can stand upright in her room without banging his head on the ceiling or putting a hole in it), and even the style of her bed is all indicative of this part of the US.
Now, HERE is where that particular bit of information comes into play with regards to her parents. It is highly unlikely that her absence went unnoticed, and like you said, the first suspects whenever a child goes missing, especially if they were last seen in their own home, are the parents/guardians. Sadly, we here in the Carolinas have seen too many high-profile cases in which children were "abducted" or "disappeared" from their homes, often in which the parents tried to claim that the child was "kidnapped" or that a ransom note was left, but in every case, it turned out that the child was murdered by their own parents or step-parent, so here in this part of the country, people do tend to be very suspicious whenever a parent files a missing child report on their own kid. Just last week, forensics confirmed that human bones found scattered in the woods in North Carolina were those of a missing 10-year-old girl, who had cancer and wore a prosthetic leg. Someone, almost certainly her own father and step-mother, murdered her, dismembered her and threw out her body parts in the woods like garbage. Last summer, a woman here in South Carolina stabbed her two toddlers to death, then tried to claim they'd been kidnapped, and most people in SC remember Susan Smith, who was convicted back in the early '90s of drowning her two young sons, then claiming they'd been "kidnapped". IF Boo's disappearance were reported, her parents would automatically have their lives turned upside down for months after her mysterious return, due to suspicions and the press hounding them mercilessly. We KNOW that Boo WAS still living in that same house a year later, so obviously the family had not been forced to move away and Boo had NOT been taken from them, at least not permanently, by the Dept. of Social Services, but you can bet that their lives will never be the same. It is possible that the family had enough money and clout to cover themselves, but people still will talk.

pitbulllady

[RandallBoggs]

*taps head* You know...with all the noise Sullivan caused in Boo's room, you'd think a parent nearby would check on their daughter...even if it's the simple "your playing and it's past your bed time" speech.
Maybe she did have a babysitter at the time, probably downstairs listening to music on headphones.

[tmazanec1]

Well, I will probably eventually rent the DVD and see it three or four times to post every little detail about the monster world on this site.

[pitbulllady]

Nov 24, 2010 20:23:43 GMT -5 RandallBoggs said:

*taps head* You know...with all the noise Sullivan caused in Boo's room, you'd think a parent nearby would check on their daughter...even if it's the simple "your playing and it's past your bed time" speech.
Maybe she did have a babysitter at the time, probably downstairs listening to music on headphones.

That DOES make sense, a teenage girl either listening to loud music or yacking away on the phone, perhaps Boo's older sister who was left in charge while the parents were celebrating their anniversery or something, totally unaware of what was happening.

pitbulllady

[mentalguru]

If it was just for the evening sure ?

But 24 hours? Please tell me there aren't teenagers who are that dense- even I wasn't dense enough to not check on a kid that age if I was left in charge.

Plus wouldn't there be an older neighbour who would check in once in a sibling situation if they couldn't be trusted with that responsibility?