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Post by sw64 on Sept 20, 2010 20:18:45 GMT -5
Ok, I have watched the scenes that feature the SE, and have made a few observations. Including one that I found ....Interesting. Let me know what you think. Observation #1First, I think the SE was built on some pre-existing Machinery. My Main reasons are: 1: The SE is stored up in the ceiling. To me, (I'm studying engineering) it would be more practical to have the SE on the ground, as it would be more hard(and time-consuming) to build a mechanism to raise and lower it. Also one would have to bring it down to repair it if they needed to. 2: When the SE first descends (when mike is in the chair) you can see hazard lights spinning. Now If this was only Randall and Fungus down there working, it (again) would be too time-consuming to install those lights. Also, it is unnecessary since Randall built the SE on his own ( and would know what happens when it Lowers.). So those are my two main reasons why I think the SE was built upon something else. Observation #2I've think I know what those sliders Randall slides to turn on the SE control.. 1: When The SE is lowering, you can see a great look at the machine. A tube runs from the 'mask' (where the child would be) down below the SE and gets split into 3 different tubes. The 3 tubes then lead into the machine. (Im guessing this is where the scream is 'refined' and enhanced. There seems to be 3 different 'refinery' locations) The 3 tubes then exit out of the top and then combined back into one and then distributed into the 15 Screem Containers ( Arranged in a 3x5 Grid ). 2:Now the SE main controls consist of three sliders. Now, given the info I presented, it would seem likely that the sliders control the 3 "refinery's" of the SE. There is also a gauge (I'm guess this is the main power gauge.) Now Randall is only able to crank the power on the 3 'refinery's' sliders to about 50% for each (And even then the power gauge is in the red.) Now you may think why is this important? Well this leads me to my most interesting.. Observation #3Now we have seen the effects of the SE on "Full Power" ( 50% on each slider) in the case of Fungus (and even then he was un-supervised.) So naturally we would assume that the same thing might happen to Boo. Sounds ok, right? Well no because... The Scream Extractor was NOT On Full Power when Boo was in it!  Remember the scene when Sully is turning the SE away from Boo. (The Camera is Paned away from Sully, showing Randal, Fungus and Waternoose's reactions.) Well, If you look past Fungus, you can clearly see the control settings (There was NO time for Fungus to re-adjust the sliders when Sully shows up). The Settings were "off" for the 1st slider, 50% for the 2nd, and 25% for the 3rd. The Power Gauge was at 50%. So, It would have, at least has a 50% less affect on boo than on Fungus! To be honest, I am not sure why no ones noticed this before?! Let me know what you think.. P.S: I might add screen caps if it is really necessary. |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 20, 2010 20:41:51 GMT -5
Well well...an observer as...observative as myself...now that's interesting hehehe.
Well I do seem to recall it being said that the Scream Extractor is actually made from parts in Monsters Inc. itself. Outsourcing chips and such were still probably done, but overall the bulk of the machine seems to come from M.I. materials. This was probably easier for Waternoose to keep a cover on things. Machinery "some how" gets broken and he sends it off for repairs and it's never seen again, ending up in the extractor.
1. That's a good point...however...I think it stems from the fact that this was a figuratively and literal "underground project". If somebody so happens to come down to fix a service pipe or something, they wouldn't notice the Scream Extractor. Still.....that doesn't quite cover everything....the control panel and the chair are bolted to the floor. Hm...makes one wonder if those were already installed, but tweaked for the SE....
2. Hazard lighting....hmm...perhaps it was something installed for when the SE was presented in it's public test. *shrugs* That's all I can really think of. Oh...Unless...they, like the panel in the ceiling were actually already there...for what reason? Who knows.
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Very good observations here, really I'm quite impressed. *chuckles* But through the years we still keep finding bits and pieces...it's good to spot something new.
*folds arms* Well...the use of it on Wazowski was merely to scare the crap out of him to not tell anyone about what was going on. (which honestly might have worked, better out of things then in things).
As for the power settings, it might be because of the differance between Monster and Human screams...afterall, monsters seemingly can't use their own scream to activate whatever technology runs off the energy.
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Post by sw64 on Sept 20, 2010 21:12:16 GMT -5
Well, why would he want to collect Mike's screams then?
To me he either wanted Mike's to be "scared" into telling him where Boo was...
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He (Randall) wanted Boo to not end up like Fungus. He did not show concern for Fungus's condition at that time, but he had more important things to deal with.(Like finding Mike).
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 20, 2010 21:43:46 GMT -5
He wouldn't. The differrance in power settings were simply that. Who knows, maybe the power is callibrated to age perhaps.
Morely I doubted Randall aimed for the Extractor to be in any way lethal. Besides, if Wazowski had gotten away without him making sure things were kept quite they'd BOTH be getting muc worse.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 20, 2010 21:47:53 GMT -5
Well, why would he want to collect Mike's screams then? To me he either wanted Mike's to be "scared" into telling him where Boo was... -OR- He (Randall) wanted Boo to not end up like Fungus. He did not show concern for Fungus's condition at that time, but he had more important things to deal with.(Like finding Mike). Excellent observations on the power settings of the machine; I had not noticed their settings when the machine was to be used on Boo myself. I have often wondered, given the gentleness which Randall uses when handling Boo, even when strapping her into the machine, if he even intended to have to machine turned up to any capacity at all. Instead, he might have simply been counting on her fear of HIM to generate those screams, thus hedging his bets, and saving her a lot of potential torment in the meantime. The fact that Randall later refuses to kill her and even saves her from falling cannot be simply discounted as a fluke. Of course, Randall had no intentions of collecting Scream from Mike. He was simply trying to intimidate Mike into revealing where "the kid" was, and figured it wouldn't take very much to accomplish that. As for the hazard lights, they probably were installed for the benefit of the operators in the future, when the machine had gained legal acceptance, or as RB suggested, for a public display of what it could do, to warm the press and curiousity seekers to stay back. It probably WAS built from bits and pieces of existing machinery, though(the control panel was almost certainly scuttled from someone's discarded stereo graphic equalizer), upon which Randall had performed a few "McGuiverisms" to modify it to suit what he needed. pitbulllady |
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Post by sw64 on Sept 20, 2010 22:31:04 GMT -5
I Think the SE was only a prototype, and the "real" one would be in a better location for a demonstration. I can't imagine the public demo in the bowels of the factory.
It would be like introduceing the new iPhone in the office it was desined in.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 20, 2010 22:37:28 GMT -5
The SE was certainly a prototype.
However...there's the public demo...and the private demo. Waternoose was the one who was pulling the strings...but he had strings of his own. There was a puppet master for this own puppet master.
If the Extractor worked, and Waternoose was witness to it, he would show it to the shady instigators that would back the project. The whole "Scream Shortage", which is thought to have been a ploy to gain public acceptance for when the Extractor came out in public, couldn't have been orchastrated by Waternoose alone.
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Post by sw64 on Sept 21, 2010 18:51:32 GMT -5
Waternoose was the one who was pulling the strings...but he had strings of his own. There was a puppet master for this own puppet master. Waternoose most likely had fellow conspirators, but I can't imagine him being under the thumb of anyone. Its possible but... I don't see it. I think the scream shortage was a real problem the Monster World was facing. To help me explain my reasoning, lets assume the whole scream shortage WAS a scam. Assume Waternoose and the other conspirators manipulated the power output, either monetarily or physically, the latter being of a 'where did that cart of scream containers go?' scenario. Assume that anyone who happened to discover the 'missing screams' either received a large sum of money or took a "vacation". Even then, why would Waternoose go through all the trouble to have Ran build the SE if there was no problem in the first place? It would be easier to have Waternoose make a public statement saying how he is implementing "new and improved" technologies to increase scream output. All he had to do then was rapidly re-wired what he un-wired, so to speak. As the above scenario did not happen I am More inclined to believe that the scream shortage was a real problem, a problem that which Waternoose was willing to "kidnap a thousand children" to solve, most likely because he and others had a considerable amount of stock in Monsters Inc. |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 21, 2010 19:03:32 GMT -5
Hm hm. As good as Waternoose is, he's not the best. We already see that he doesn't have much sway with the Board of Directors.
The Scream Extractor was shown to have a mixed feeling to it. Apparently whatever Waternoose was doing had some illegal ties to it.
The C.D.A. were said to have been investigating "something" for two years. Now I doubt it took Randall that long to have made the SE. It may have, but with consideration on that....
Apparently whatever human-involvement is made with the SE would be considered, perhaps, illegal for some reason or another.
However...one thing that even if the scenario proves Waternoose believed the Scream Shortage was true....it doesn't neccessarily mean it wasn't orchastrated above him. Afterall, Waternoose is the type willing to do anything to keep his factory affloat....ANYTHING. And needless to say some other "old timers" who have been in the business just as long as him would use that.
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Post by sw64 on Sept 21, 2010 20:34:28 GMT -5
Hm hm. As good as Waternoose is, he's not the best. We already see that he doesn't have much sway with the Board of Directors. The Scream Extractor was shown to have a mixed feeling to it. Apparently whatever Waternoose was doing had some illegal ties to it. The C.D.A. were said to have been investigating "something" for two years. Now I doubt it took Randall that long to have made the SE. It may have, but with consideration on that.... Apparently whatever human-involvement is made with the SE would be considered, perhaps, illegal for some reason or another. However...one thing that even if the scenario proves Waternoose believed the Scream Shortage was true....it doesn't neccessarily mean it wasn't orchastrated above him. Afterall, Waternoose is the type willing to do anything to keep his factory affloat....ANYTHING. And needless to say some other "old timers" who have been in the business just as long as him would use that. Basically the only thing that was illegal was that the SE required a child to be brought in the Monster World. Randall probably did not design the SE from scratch, he might have given the task of actually getting it built. That in and of itself would still require a good background of mechanics. Maybe the Scream Shortage hoax went over Waternoose's head... hmm interesting.. |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 21, 2010 20:47:33 GMT -5
Supposedly illegal. It's not entirely a throught-out process. However, under the assumption that monsters thought of humans as "toxic spreaders", the action of bringing one in would recquire such tools as environmental suits, a controlled enviornment, a decoy perhaps so that the child's disappearence is not noticed, amoung other things, it would take allot of paper work to be pushed through.
Waternoose might have had a general idea of what the Scream Extractor will be, but I'd think Randall tweaked things a bit bitter.
Isn't it? And it is a possibility. Waternoose being manipulated himself. On one hand, his desire for the power of his position to be kept would stir him to orchastrate the work on the extractor...and if he failed...he would go to prision, leaving it open for somebody else.
And take into account....James P. Sullivan became CEO in only a year. Just for his discovery of Laugh Energy he became CEO of Monsters Inc.? *laughs* A huge promotion isn't it?
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