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Post by mistica0christina on Jun 9, 2010 19:11:08 GMT -5
*shrugs* Guess that makes sense but I'm sure that banishment isn't always the best punishment for all monster criminals.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 9, 2010 19:15:04 GMT -5
It's up there with live without parole and lethal injection, if the later is legal or used at all.
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Post by Bampot on Jun 9, 2010 19:24:17 GMT -5
What happens if a monster self-banishes? Like they committed some horrible crimes, like mass murder, and ran off to the human world. Would there be any investigation in the human world or would they just let them go?
Lol, monster politics. Here we are again, my friend XD
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 9, 2010 19:32:04 GMT -5
Then they would be using a child's bedroom door, thus they would have to get out of the window or through an occupied house. Because remember, Banishment Doors are NOT publically distrubted, EVEN to companies like Monsters Inc. Hence it is one to wonder how WATERNOOSE got ahold of them, considering there are few of these doors and that they are kept track of.
And even so, BEFORE they knew humans weren't toxic....next to every monster believed being sent there would eventually lead to them melting into a pile of goo, dead. It's like being tossed into a volcano or a nuclear reactor.
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Post by Bampot on Jun 9, 2010 19:40:56 GMT -5
Dah, good point! I keep forgetting about the whole toxic babies thing XD
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 9, 2010 19:45:25 GMT -5
Glad to remind you ^_^
Yes, fear can create great influence, especially in justice and politics. Of course, like everything, it can get corrupted too, as we see with Waternoose.
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Post by mistica0christina on Jun 9, 2010 20:53:43 GMT -5
Nearly anything is capable of being corrupted...even justice systems aren't perfect which makes them an interesting topic to cover within fiction actually.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 9, 2010 22:52:30 GMT -5
I don't think that banishment was used as a punishment except for the most severe crimes. It was that part of the Monster World's equivalent of capital punishment, although I must point out that since so much in the Monster World parallels ours, that not all part of their world have the same legal or justice systems. There are probably indeed parts of their world that have much more brutal forms of punishment, as is still seen in many Middle Eastern nations today, or indeed could have the death penalty. What would be considered acceptable behavior in some parts of their world could very well be considered heinous crimes in others.
I also remind y'all of a concept that Mentalguru brought up in her fanfic: that of some monsters voluntarily coming to the Human World NOT as "self-banishment", but for the same reason that many humans would go someplace where they are told NOT to go. When you tell some people that something is taboo, off-limits, the first thing they do is start thinking about how to do it, or how to get there! It's just human nature, and being that monsters are descended from us, it's most likely in THEIR nature, too. The more "bad" something is made out to be, the more they consider it a challenge. It's that same urge that has driven "manifest destiny" and the great explorations in our own world. If the early explorers were too scared of the tales they heard about what was on the other side of that horizon, most of us who are in North America would not even be here! I'm sure that there are some monsters, who, the more they hear about how terrifying and dangerous the Human World is, the more they want to go there and see how much is true and how much is old wives' tale. And then too, there could be monsters who come over here to find a lost loved one, who could have either been banished(legally or illegally)or captured by humans, or who was simply one of those intrepid adventurers who could not find their way back.
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Post by mistica0christina on Jun 9, 2010 23:30:05 GMT -5
So I'm guessing that the concept of a particular species of monster choosing to go to the human world due to persecution isn't too farfetched then?
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 10, 2010 11:06:03 GMT -5
So I'm guessing that the concept of a particular species of monster choosing to go to the human world due to persecution isn't too farfetched then? Not to me it wouldn't, and probably not to anyone who has studied OUR history, either. Think about it-why did so many ethnic groups migrate from their homeland to the US? The Irish, the Puritans, the Jews, just to name a tiny handful-they all came here primarily to escape persecution in one form or another. Many, especially in the early Colonial and pre-Colonial periods, KNEW it would be very risky and dangerous, but they were willing to take that risk. Why would monsters be any different? pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 10, 2010 18:35:09 GMT -5
It is of course, in the nature of both Monsters and Humans to be curious, so it's not farfetched that some came here on their own will....HOWEVER....in order to do so, they'd either need a Banishment Door, which is out of the window considering they are very few and are under a watchful eye...or a door from one of the scareing factories. The later would take a little effort. Well in general it WOULD take some effort unless you were a Scarer or on a job that's related to a door. OF COURSE....and I think this takes ALLOT of patience...one could say a person with some dedication can use the chips from a door shredder to make a door, which surprisingly seems to work. ----- *folds arms* Of course not all persecuted monsters found salvation in the human world...supposedly a whole race nears extinction because of their involvement...
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Post by Theophilus Hatta on Jun 13, 2010 15:16:49 GMT -5
*pondering*
I'd say the "exiles" are about half 'n half, explorers and crim-i-nim-inals. I doubt Monster Government would banish deranged killers to the Human World, considering their whole world runs on scream/fear of unknown and monsters=monster hunters=end of masquerade, but say, banish people who found out a bit too much..? (no way for word to get out if you don't live in the same world anymore) Considering the friendly Ab. Snowman here, it seems pretty reasonable he was of the second type. As an in-movie example, Sully and Mikey, and, even later, so was Randall.
Official banishment doors- if they all look like the Himalayan Door- seem to have been constructed just for banishment, sorta a one-way trip. I guess a team of monsters built the opposite on the Human side somehow. Giving the remote places of the Human World's most infamous monsters- Loch Ness, Himalayas, Rockies, Jersey- they'd be easy to keep an eye on.
Storing a special door in a place like Monsters Inc actually makes sense; who else but a *safe* and *established* company specializing in doors with such a *kind, up-standing* CEO (no doubt rubbing shoulders with the higher-ups) could be trusted to hold one? Waternoose having the access code..? Explained away as being a *dirty* businessman.
As for the thrill-seekers... well, kids always manage to break in and do stupid stuff. How many cars have been stolen for "roadtrips"? I can *easily* a group of knuckleheads "borrowing" a kid's door and getting "stuck" in the Human World because no-one knows they left.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 13, 2010 17:53:52 GMT -5
I doubt that Waternoose's possession of that banishment door was in any way, shape or form legal. He'd undoubtedly obtained it through illegal means and was keeping it through illegal means, to "take care" of his corporate enemies and others who crossed him, since having them around would be bad for business. It would not surprise me if the part of the Monster World that corresponded to the US had its own version of the Mafia or some form of established, organized crime, and that Waternoose was a long-time associate, probably going back to his father, at least.
REAL banishment would certainly have been a punishment inflicted by the courts for some crime, at least in some parts of the Monster World. It wouldn't make sense for just anyone, not even an "upstanding" businessman, to have legal access to a banishment door or to be able to use one. While I can understand that the most violent criminals and those deemed as actually insane would not be banished, but most likely incarcerated, insanity probably WOULD result for many of those who WERE banished. Just which crimes would have resulted in banishment and which would have resulted in imprisonment is hard to say, though.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 13, 2010 18:17:08 GMT -5
While it's probably true in the way for "exiles"...Banishment, at least in the public eye, is mostly for criminals. But that's not to say it's also used for those that are felt to be "less desirable" in the eyes of who makes these doors. AB is an interesting case. Apparently he knows about banishment so he probably was sentenced himself in some way, as a door is suspeciously close to him (and one-way access would mean he couldn't go back through it himself). But apparently, he's not a criminal. He does seem to be outspoken a bit...perhaps his mouth got him in trouble....
While they may not look exactly like it, I do think they're all made in the same way with the metalized construction. Of course what this metal exactly is may be unknown. The one in the Himalayas would have been there for awhile and it seems snow hasn't affected it from operating. *chuckles* Wouldn't it be interesting if those above Waternoose actually knew he had one? *winks* ------- *nods* Certainly this door was not announced publically to be given to Waternoose at all. It had to have been secret, either allowed or taken. But regardless, it seems Waternoose might have hid it somewhere else...less it be discovered in the factory vault. Remember....he DID use the door station in the TRAINING ROOM....
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 13, 2010 18:56:24 GMT -5
While it's probably true in the way for "exiles"...Banishment, at least in the public eye, is mostly for criminals. But that's not to say it's also used for those that are felt to be "less desirable" in the eyes of who makes these doors. AB is an interesting case. Apparently he knows about banishment so he probably was sentenced himself in some way, as a door is suspeciously close to him (and one-way access would mean he couldn't go back through it himself). But apparently, he's not a criminal. He does seem to be outspoken a bit...perhaps his mouth got him in trouble.... While they may not look exactly like it, I do think they're all made in the same way with the metalized construction. Of course what this metal exactly is may be unknown. The one in the Himalayas would have been there for awhile and it seems snow hasn't affected it from operating. *chuckles* Wouldn't it be interesting if those above Waternoose actually knew he had one? *winks* ------- *nods* Certainly this door was not announced publically to be given to Waternoose at all. It had to have been secret, either allowed or taken. But regardless, it seems Waternoose might have hid it somewhere else...less it be discovered in the factory vault. Remember....he DID use the door station in the TRAINING ROOM.... We tend to forget that the term "criminal" can mean a HUGE variety of different things. We often just associate that word with people who are violent and who willfully and knowingly violate every law possible, BUT keep in mind that criminals can be, and usually ARE, non-violent offenders. Depending on where you live, just about anything you do can make you a criminal. If you get caught with a Corn Snake, like mine, or like Mistica's, in the state of Georgia, you are a CRIMINAL! You are no different in the eyes of the law than someone caught selling cocaine to a 12-year-old or someone who breaks into a convenience store and robs them blind! IF the two current Federal bills, sponsored by Sen. Bill Nelson and Barbara Boxer(same Barbara Boxer who lobbied to have coffee declared a controlled substance, like heroin and methamphetamine) pass, I will not only be a criminal, but a Federal FELON, along with people who have murdered their own family members in cold blood or raped children! Now, Martha Stewart...there's a hardened criminal for ya, right? BUT she IS a convicted felon, too! The Abominable Snowman might simply have done something as inocuous as betting on the outcome of a baseball game, something which is highly illegal to do in my state, or had the wrong kind of pet, to get accused, convicted and banished. Just to give you an idea of how f***ed-up the laws can be, last week in South Carolina a guy got a six-month sentence for violently raping his ex-girlfriend and threatening to kill all of her family, including her little sister, and mail their severed heads to other family members in other states. SIX MONTHS. Two more people got TWENTY-FIVE YEARS for WATCHING a fight between two game roosters. Chickens are way more important than people here, but it goes to show that the least little things can get you convicted of crimes and punished. pitbulllady
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