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Post by pitbulllady on May 7, 2010 23:19:58 GMT -5
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 7, 2010 23:24:22 GMT -5
*bows* Fantastic. Your best piece yet.
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Post by pitbulllady on May 7, 2010 23:47:26 GMT -5
Thank you! It's my favorite, as well, and the one which has the most personal meaning for me right now.
I actually did this with a new program, ArtWeaver, which can be downloaded for free, and which is very similar to Corel Painter Essentials. My Corel Painter has become corrupted and won't work, and my aunt unintentionally destroyed the disc, along with about $700.00's worth of software that was in a little black box, when my father's house burned down and he had to move in with me on short notice, so I can't reload it. I've downloaded so many free trial versions of Painter that Corel has me on the "NO DOWNLOAD" list unless I pay for the program, which I can't afford. ArtWeaver takes a bit of getting used to after using Corel, but in the end I'm happy with the results.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 7, 2010 23:50:33 GMT -5
*nods* Particularly like scar contrast work. As clever as he is, Ran didn't get out of things without a good scratch or two on him. And compared to a dog...er...pitbull...I think...well the one in the pic has had it in a similiar regard but with little ability to do anything about it.
*nods* Cost for some of these items is just ridiculous. Though I would suggest looking on E-bay. You can honestly get real lucky there like finding a $250/500 retail program for $100/$150.
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Post by pitbulllady on May 8, 2010 0:16:36 GMT -5
*nods* Particularly like scar contrast work. As clever as he is, Ran didn't get out of things without a good scratch or two on him. And compared to a dog...er...pitbull...I think...well the one in the pic has had it in a similiar regard but with little ability to do anything about it. *nods* Cost for some of these items is just ridiculous. Though I would suggest looking on E-bay. You can honestly get real lucky there like finding a $250/500 retail program for $100/$150. Can't do Ebay-no credit card, remember? And Best Buy no longer carries any of the Painter software and the only Wacom tablet they have now is for writing, not art, and does not come with any software other than installation. Yes, the dog IS a Pit Bull, and her scars are from being fought in the pit. She, like my old blue girl, Princess, is a former pit-fighting dog. According to the "experts" at the Humane Society of the United States, fighting dogs can never be re-habilitated and never can be trusted, and are just too vicious to be allowed to live. Randall and I both disagree with that assessment. pitbulllady |
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Post by mentalguru on May 8, 2010 1:19:48 GMT -5
Just commented on it on DevArt. I seem to also be of the same opinion as RB- I do indeed think it's your best Randall piece too!
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Post by mentalguru on May 8, 2010 1:28:06 GMT -5
I also just (like right now) managed to find an anti-BSL group on DevArt, if you're interested. stopbsl.deviantart.com/(Though they have a random fav telling people to adopt rather than adopt/buy but I think it's supossed to be when given the choice and about pitbull pups often being the one most likely to not get a home in shelters. But it seems like she is saying you shouldn't breed at all since there are dogs in shelters? Ummm.) And a pitbull group: support-pitbulls.deviantart.com/ |
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Post by pitbulllady on May 8, 2010 17:55:27 GMT -5
I also just (like right now) managed to find an anti-BSL group on DevArt, if you're interested. stopbsl.deviantart.com/(Though they have a random fav telling people to adopt rather than adopt/buy but I think it's supossed to be when given the choice and about pitbull pups often being the one most likely to not get a home in shelters. But it seems like she is saying you shouldn't breed at all since there are dogs in shelters? Ummm.) And a pitbull group: support-pitbulls.deviantart.com/I don't think that the group owner was telling people not to buy from breeders, so much as railing against the standard policy of most shelters to automatically kill any dog that comes through their doors that even vaguely looks like a Pit Bull Terrier. Many shelters have a "kill all the pit bulls" policy and will not even attempt to adopt them out, not even little puppies. The dogs never have any chance of finding a new home. Short hair + muscular build=death sentence. pitbulllady |
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Post by Bampot on May 8, 2010 19:13:24 GMT -5
Really love the dog. I was watching an animal rescue show a while back on AP that I really liked, but they seemed to of took it off. They had a specific rehabilitation center that they would take dogs with aggression problems too and they would come out right as rain. I absolutely hate all the others because they don't even TRY. A dog growls a bit while eating and they flip and put it down. It's disgusting. Like they're just looking for a reason. But they took off that particular show shortly after it started running. I don't know if that was just the end of the first season, but it seems like it was cut so short. I also liked it because they didn't bust into little old ladies houses to take all of her pets.
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Post by mentalguru on May 9, 2010 6:35:39 GMT -5
I think it was mainly some of the comments PBL, inferring it was immoral to breed pitbulls when there were those still in a shelter which made me go 'Ummm'. While I get that adopting is a better option and there are many dogs in need of homes I'd hesitate to call breeding 'immoral'  |
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Post by Bampot on May 9, 2010 13:02:11 GMT -5
I see breeding as preserving a breed. People want to act like all breeders care about the money more the than the dogs and that every breeder runs a puppy mill. Which simply isn't true.
Psh, and saying it's immortal to breed pits. They only say that because they have some personal vendetta against the breed. I don't support anyone who says they're for animal rights and then kills a litter of pit bull pups for not other reason than their breed. Pups could get a loving home so fast, but they kill them before they even have a chance. Killing the breed off just because it's popular for fighters makes you just as bad as those fighters.
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Post by mentalguru on May 9, 2010 14:03:13 GMT -5
Ah, but you see she was advertising adoption of pits (which I agree with), but then also stated it was immoral to breed them when there were those in need of homes in shelters. I guess I can see her thought process, but aren't shelter dogs automatically spayed (unless they're too young at the time)? So breeding still has to happen on some level to maintain the breed anyway. So I didn't get the argument of her saying breeding was immoral. She's for ADOPTING pits, just not breeding them and called it immoral- and that last bit is what made me go |
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Post by pitbulllady on May 9, 2010 14:13:05 GMT -5
I see breeding as preserving a breed. People want to act like all breeders care about the money more the than the dogs and that every breeder runs a puppy mill. Which simply isn't true. Psh, and saying it's immortal to breed pits. They only say that because they have some personal vendetta against the breed. I don't support anyone who says they're for animal rights and then kills a litter of pit bull pups for not other reason than their breed. Pups could get a loving home so fast, but they kill them before they even have a chance. Killing the breed off just because it's popular for fighters makes you just as bad as those fighters. The whole "it's immoral to breed while shelter animals die" is a standard Animal Rights cultist mantra that is preached by PETA and HSUS, and has been picked up by many "pit bull rescue" groups. They claim that "pit bulls"(a term which can literally mean ANY short-haired medium-to-large muscular dog, regardless of ancestry)make up most of the shelter dog populations simply isn't true. I've been to several local shelters-that's where my cat came from, after all-and saw very few "pit bull" type dogs, and those shelters DO NOT automatically kill those dogs when they are brought in. Most of the dogs were just plain old MUTTS, so mixed-up that even someone like me, who knows a lot about dogs and dog breeds, could not have picked out one breed in their possible background, and those were followed by Labrador-type dogs. In fact, Lab mixes still account for far more shelter dogs than "pit bulls" pretty much everywhere, yet I never hear anyone say that we need to stop breeding Labs, unless those people advocate an end to animal breeding, period. If I want a quality purebred dog, with a verifiable ancestry, that I can show, or use for hog hunting, or participate with in weight pulls, I'm not going to be able to get that dog at a shelter or from a rescue. If I DO get lucky and find such a dog, it's a dead-end, genetically, since no shelter is going to release a dog that hasn't been spayed or neutered, so I can't breed it and hope to get those same traits in its offspring to carry on when that original dog dies. The Animal Rights people do not want to acknowledge that because they don't want dogs being used for things like hunting, sled pulling, weight pulls, etc. They want all dogs to live out their lives inside, sleeping on the couch and getting fat, being treated like humans(which is a gross injustice to the dogs), all spayed/neutered of course, so that when their lives are over, there will be none to replace them-extinction for the sake of "kindness". The Animal Rights people do not think that there should even be purebred dogs and cats of ANY sort, and that is one of the reasons they push shelter dogs over those produced by breeders; most shelter dogs are mutts, as I've said. They also have this belief that if you get rid of the "pit bulls", you get rid of dog-fighting and dog-fighters, which is BS, since dog-fighting has been in existance long before anything resembling a Pit Bull Terrier existed, and it will continue to exist even if the "pit bulls" are wiped out. That mentality is a lot like saying that if there are no more children, there can't be any child abuse, so we should kill all the children for their own good! pitbulllady |
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Post by mentalguru on May 9, 2010 14:35:08 GMT -5
There's really nothing wrong with adopting of course and the animals do need a home too, but I don't agree with demonising breeders- as you mentioned if you want the traits obviously you're going to go to a breeder.
My parents own dog is a mix between a lab and a retriever but there you go. (Both parents were pure breeds though, so I think it was an accident.)
And yes dog-fighting goes back a long time, hundreds of years, it was happening WAAAY before the first colonisers started up in 'Jamestown' in the US.
Blood sport of that nature has been going on for yonks. In the place I used to work as a tour guide, one of the masters of the house had what is known as a 'richard-fighting'/Library chair. Basically it was sat on back to front to prevent tail coats being creased and to hold their drink of choice whether they watched a richard fight or were reading a book. And it's older than the 'Declaration of Independence'.
And while declining, it does indeed still take place in Britain even though it's illegal.
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Let's ban richardrels and by proxy chickens then I guess. (Considering their stance on agriculture, they'd probably agree).
One actually gave my sisters finger a nasty experience when she was young, and if my memory serves she required two stitches.
(Joking about the banning but yes to the story. But my sister was kind of... bad to animals when she was little- not delibrately mean but less cautious then she should have been, considering how she used to drag the neighbours cat around and the thing wouldn't even scratch her, so it was only a matter of time. She is now a vegetarian. I kind of doubt it's connected though.)
Edit: LOL to the board censors- 'richard-fighting'. I now am getting the image of posh boarding school boys from the 50s having fisti-cuffs.
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Post by Bampot on May 9, 2010 15:53:36 GMT -5
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with adopting from shelters. I plan on getting my next dog from a shelter, but without breeders there would be no breed. Each breed has such beautiful characteristics and rich histories. To demolish them would be a truly sad thing.
Lol, my dogs are inside dogs, but they're not fat. At least, mine's not. I've been working on getting mom's Min Pin on a diet and she's lost a good amount of weight. They're outside now, enjoying the nice day. We have a kennel, but I'm wanting to get in a fenced in yard. I think Noodle would pee herself with joy. As long as a hawk doesn't pick her up as a treat XD
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