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Post by V on May 4, 2010 18:10:21 GMT -5
If you didn't know, the next Walt Disney Animation Studios film is going to be Rapunzel and my one hero, Glen Keane, is the producer of the film. But oddly, I'm not excited for it. For one thing, it's in CG animation, not traditional pencil on paper animation. From what I think is that Walt Disney films that target fairy tales are better told in traditional animation. Of course, it worked for Snow White, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast and so on. But in CG animation? ...no. Another thing is that Mandy Moore is the voice of Rapunzel. Honestly, I DO think that she has a REALLY nice voice, but why not give that chance to someone who's not known much? That's how Julie Andrews rose to fame. She rose to fame because Walt saw her on a show and called her in to be Mary Poppins. Same thing with Adriana Caselotti, the voice of Snow White. ALSO with Peter Behn, the voice of Thumper! I'm tired of the same old actors and actresses! Why can't we have fresh new people these days? But I'll just see it for the sake of Glen Keane for his marvelous work on supervising amazing characters. PS, I know that not much people would read this, because it's me and my Disney related stuffs, so I'll shut up nao.  |
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Post by sgtyayap on May 4, 2010 18:36:04 GMT -5
Come on, Vanessie. It's not like you're an outcast for being a fan of Disney in general.  All of us here ARE fans of a Disney character, after all.  Interesting interpretation for this upcoming film. Though I didn't know that this film will be in CGI, it doesn't strike me as overly surprising, either; The Princess and the Frog was the exception to the rule as of late.  I don't know why, but, unless it's or a live-action film and/or a video game, I might prefer traditional animation, myself. Maybe I'm just so nostalgic, which would ALSO explain my annoyance by 3D movies (COME ON! It's not like most of us are EVER going to be in the actual film! ). |
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Post by V on May 4, 2010 19:07:27 GMT -5
Thanks, but I'm saying that since I'm like the ONLY Disney braniac I know, besides Dave Smith, the ULTAMITE Disney archivist. But... yeah, I always feel awkward about people thinking I'm a typical Disney baby. I just love Disney, CLASSIC Disney, not the greedy and stupid cash cow it already is.  But yeah... not much people listen to me when I lecture about Walt Disney's life and all. Sometimes they just want me to shut up.  |
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Post by sgtyayap on May 4, 2010 19:22:14 GMT -5
Oh. Well, rest assured, most people have ABSOLUTELY no idea (as opposed to just a vague idea, in your case) what I'm talking about when I refer to synthesizers (which, ironically, ALSO involves a man named Dave Smith). |
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Post by mistica0christina on May 4, 2010 19:26:22 GMT -5
That's interesting but whether people will admit it or not, 2D animation is slowly becoming a dying art and so 3D is becoming more popular and in time, will probably replace it entirely. As for using Mandy Moore for the voice of Rapunzel, Disney is probably doing it in hopes that people will come see it due to who the lead is. It's a tactic that many different movie companies use, hire big name people and hopefully it will be able to guarantee an audience even if the film isn't that good. There are people who will watch a movie just because it has their favorite actor/actress in it, not whether the film is good or not. Even I'm willing to watch any film starring Johnny Depp or Orlando Bloom...since they are my fav actors (and also since they are cute ;D ).
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Post by sgtyayap on May 4, 2010 19:37:58 GMT -5
Yet, interestingly, that tactic for hiring actors is NOT always the case; at least not until recently. Take Arnold Swarzchenegger. He wasn't that well known at all as an actor until James Cameron hired him for Terminator 1.
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Post by mistica0christina on May 4, 2010 19:54:06 GMT -5
Yet, interestingly, that tactic for hiring actors is NOT always the case; at least not until recently. Take Arnold Swarzchenegger. He wasn't that well known at all as an actor until James Cameron hired him for Terminator 1. Well, in Arnold's case, I think it was different, wasn't he just part of those Mr. Universe competitions before Terminator though? This tactic is more of something that studioes do more now then compared to when I was younger actually. In Moore's case, she's not only an actress but a singer to boot, I know that she has a fan base which is probably what Disney is hoping for in her case. Besides, the tactic isn't always successful but it is something that film companies use though. |
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Post by sgtyayap on May 4, 2010 20:04:08 GMT -5
Well, I don't know about that, so, you might have got me. Still, I will agree that it's used quite a lot nowadays. Not that it's unnecessary for most filmmakers, anyway; most stories of modern films, in my opinion, are just stupid, especially for the "comedies". |
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Post by mistica0christina on May 4, 2010 20:15:29 GMT -5
I could be wrong about Arnold, I need to look that up but I was goin by what my mom said since she's obviously lived longer than me.
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Post by V on May 4, 2010 20:37:08 GMT -5
That's interesting but whether people will admit it or not, 2D animation is slowly becoming a dying art and so 3D is becoming more popular and in time, will probably replace it entirely. As for using Mandy Moore for the voice of Rapunzel, Disney is probably doing it in hopes that people will come see it due to who the lead is. It's a tactic that many different movie companies use, hire big name people and hopefully it will be able to guarantee an audience even if the film isn't that good. There are people who will watch a movie just because it has their favorite actor/actress in it, not whether the film is good or not. Even I'm willing to watch any film starring Johnny Depp or Orlando Bloom...since they are my fav actors (and also since they are cute ;D ). But Disney DOES promise a traditional animated film every two years after Princess and the Frog greenlighted the way. Actually, the next traditional animated film is Winnie the Pooh. Yes, and I bet they won't ruin him this time and I hope that they stay true to the A. A. Milne stories of Winnie the Pooh(yeah, Pooh is not an original Disney character, disney bought the rights to him in 1961). I also bet that one of my favorite voice actors, Jim Cummings, the voice of Ray from Princess and the Frog, will reprise his role as Pooh and Tigger. I am also excited for this one because it's the first theatrical Winnie the Pooh film since Pooh's Heffalump Movie(a VERY adorable film; I always tear up at it, along with Piglet's BIG Movie). I just found out right now that Tom Kenny will be the voice of Rabbit!XD Man! i can't wait for this! Also, I found out who's supervising which character! Mark Henn(Mulan, Simba, Jasmine, etc.) is doing Pooh, Kanga and Roo, Anthony DeRosa(SPRING SPRITE!!! ;D) is doing Piglet, Andreas Deja(Jafar, Hercules, Scar, Mama Odie, etc.) is doing Tigger, Nik Ranieri(Lumiere, Kuzco, etc.) is doing Rabbit and Gopher! So... NOW I'M SPYCHED FOR THE NEXT TRADITIONAL ANIMATED WALT DISNEY FILM!!! ;D |
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Post by mistica0christina on May 4, 2010 22:28:42 GMT -5
*shrugs* If that's what Disney chooses to do then that's fine, more power to them I guess, I'm just not as big of a Disney fan as I was when I was little due to the treatment of TNBC. Disney hated that film for the longest time (probably still does  ) and only treats it with any form of love due to the fact that they know it makes them money, no other reason really. As for Pooh, I already knew that, you can find traditional pooh merchandise based straight off of the books when you go down any baby aisle in stores most of the time. |
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Post by V on May 5, 2010 17:09:29 GMT -5
*shrugs* If that's what Disney chooses to do then that's fine, more power to them I guess, I'm just not as big of a Disney fan as I was when I was little due to the treatment of TNBC. Disney hated that film for the longest time (probably still does ) and only treats it with any form of love due to the fact that they know it makes them money, no other reason really. As for Pooh, I already knew that, you can find traditional pooh merchandise based straight off of the books when you go down any baby aisle in stores most of the time. If Disney hates TNBC, then why did they put it in Kingdom Hearts 2? Why did they put a special Halloween and Christmas treatment to the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland and POSSIBLY Disney World?Disney also suggested to Burton to make a sequel, but with no stop motion at all. Of course, he chose not to, and I agree. ALSO, TNBC was EXCLUSIVELY shown in my favorite animation book, "The Alchemy of Animation" by producer Don Hahn. In the stop motion section, only images and info of how they made TNBC is shown only, along with a few images during the process of James and the Giant Peach. But if YOU got evidence that Disney hates TNBC, then you can lay it on me. |
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Post by mistica0christina on May 5, 2010 21:31:46 GMT -5
If Disney hates TNBC, then why did they put it in Kingdom Hearts 2? Why did they put a special Halloween and Christmas treatment to the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland and POSSIBLY Disney World?Disney also suggested to Burton to make a sequel, but with no stop motion at all. Of course, he chose not to, and I agree. ALSO, TNBC was EXCLUSIVELY shown in my favorite animation book, "The Alchemy of Animation" by producer Don Hahn. In the stop motion section, only images and info of how they made TNBC is shown only, along with a few images during the process of James and the Giant Peach. But if YOU got evidence that Disney hates TNBC, then you can lay it on me. I will admit, you may be a Disney fanatic but I am a TNBC fan and a hardcore one at that but if you need me to spell it out for you, I gladly will 1. It took Tim Burton ten years to pitch the idea to Disney....ten freaking years of getting turned down who knows how many times until they finally gave him a chance and only after he made a few of his first films such as Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman, films that were successful and probably helped him in convincing them. 2. The first teaser trailer showed that originally TNBC was going to be released under the Disney banner but during production, Disney freaked out about the film being "too scary" for children and decided to release it under the Touchstone banner instead. Touchstone, though a branch of Disney, normally shows more adult films as compared to the usual Disney films. Also not to mention that since it wasn't released under the Disney banner to begin with, it wasn't considered a regular Disney film, heck even some TNBC fans didn't consider it Disney at all due to it standing out from the usual Disney formula at the time. 3. TNBC also wasn't released out of the "Disney vault" under the same time frame as past Disney titles, logically since 93, TNBC should have only been released on VHS or DVD twice if it followed the normal Disney formula BUT it has been released more than that, including re-releases of the original special edition disk for a few years each Halloween until Disney decided to stop it since they were preparing for the two disk release instead. 4. All you have described, the Holiday mansion, TNBC in the KH series, even the attempt at a sequel which if you techinically think about it, Disney still somehow got through Oogie's Revenge ( a videogame which is a sequel to the film) all boils down to one thing. Money, afterall Disney isn't doing all this for free, there is a price to pay and to top it off, now since they know of how much of a cash cow the film is, now the two disk edition actually does have the Disney banner! What is suppossed to be a remastered version of the original does have one thing that wasn't there originally and that is the Disney banner, I was disappointed when Disney did that because when I saw the film originally in 93, it didn't have the Disney banner on it's name, even merchandising now does have the Disney banner on it instead of the Touchstone one. I will admit that while there are some employees that do love and cherish the film (the ones that I consider true fans) there are others who are bothered by it and what it entails along with what most of the fans of TNBC are. A good number of TNBC fans are outsiders, most of us fans including myself are the freaks, the geeks, the goths, the dark ones of the night, however else you will describe us which naturally that kind of image isn't considered a healthy one for Disney. So the way I see it, you're right, Disney loves the film as long as it makes them money...money makes the world go round and is the root of all the kills. (sorry if I seem like I'm going off here, kind of can't help it since I'm such a TNBC fan and all...) |
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Post by mentalguru on May 6, 2010 3:15:47 GMT -5
I'm not a hardcore fan of TNBC but I did enjoy it, though I think 'Corpse Bride' was more fun (with the songs in any case, I really like Bone Jangles there).
In the case of Tangled I'm doubtful over seeing it. I more want to see dreamworks 'HTYDragon' movie (eventually).
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All of us here ARE fans of a Disney character, after all. 
But yeah... not much people listen to me when I lecture about Walt Disney's life and all. Sometimes they just want me to shut up. 
) and only treats it with any form of love due to the fact that they know it makes them money, no other reason really. As for Pooh, I already knew that, you can find traditional pooh merchandise based straight off of the books when you go down any baby aisle in stores most of the time.