DinoGirl
Randall's Head Servant (300-799)
Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Post by DinoGirl on Mar 10, 2010 17:25:58 GMT -5
Okay, I know this has previously been mentioned before, but I have just recently had this whirring around inside my head and haven't really done a proper search to find other linking posts about this, so I thought that I might as well do a thread under the entire topic.
Long story short, I watched Monsters Inc again (the main reason being we've just bought a new television) and this time over, I had particularly catch on how she mentions about how two and a half years undercover work was almost wasted. Now, I'm not sure whether she means that's how long she has been undercover on this specific incident, or how long she has been working for the CDA entirely. And would that mean giving a more clearer estimate into how long the Scream Extractor has been under production? I'm more or less, going for the former suggestion, since I can clearly picture an employee like Roz joining at a younger age and knowing the duty well (I'm guessing it does take alot of skill to organize the paperwork and keycards and whatnot, something which I probably couldn't do). Oh heck, and she is a number 1 isn't she, so I think I can almost completely abandon the idea that it has only been 2 years since she began working and that it must be more if her position is so high. But still, I'm wanting to see what all of your opinions are on this.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 10, 2010 18:37:01 GMT -5
Okay, I know this has previously been mentioned before, but I have just recently had this whirring around inside my head and haven't really done a proper search to find other linking posts about this, so I thought that I might as well do a thread under the entire topic. Long story short, I watched Monsters Inc again (the main reason being we've just bought a new television) and this time over, I had particularly catch on how she mentions about how two and a half years undercover work was almost wasted. Now, I'm not sure whether she means that's how long she has been undercover on this specific incident, or how long she has been working for the CDA entirely. And would that mean giving a more clearer estimate into how long the Scream Extractor has been under production? I'm more or less, going for the former suggestion, since I can clearly picture an employee like Roz joining at a younger age and knowing the duty well (I'm guessing it does take alot of skill to organize the paperwork and keycards and whatnot, something which I probably couldn't do). Oh heck, and she is a number 1 isn't she, so I think I can almost completely abandon the idea that it has only been 2 years since she began working and that it must be more if her position is so high. But still, I'm wanting to see what all of your opinions are on this. I'm fairly certain that Roz was referring specifically to the time that the CDA had been monitoring something going on in that factory, which specifically involved or was rumored to involve smuggling in human children at some point, but they'd been unable to pin anything specific on anyone. I have a feeling that MIKE was probably one of Roz's primary suspects, due to his habit of not turning in paperwork and subsequent nervous behavior when confronted about it, so Roz most likely suspected that he had something to hide, not realizing that it was, well, just Mike being Mike. I don't know if she suspected Randall or not, since he(or rather, Waternoose)probably covered his tracks pretty well, and Randall kept a rather low profile with regards to doing anything that might have made them suspicious of him, at least up to the final days, when his increasing agitation and aggressive behaviour would have gotten more and more apparent, even to someone who didn't know him. Roz's statement of having been staking out the factory for 2 1/2 years indicates that Randall had been involved with the Scream Extractor in some capacity for at least that long, and knowing how long it usually takes for a new piece of technology to be developed, even in just the "on-paper" stage, even that is a conservative estimate. I have to wonder though, if Randall was part of this plan from its inception, or soon afterwards, of if Waternoose had gotten someone else to start it off, and later had to "discard" that individual, and bring Randall in on the deal as a replacement, one in which Waternoose clearly had reservations about. AND, just WHO or WHAT tipped off the CDA in the first place that this sort of thing was going on in that factory? SOMEONE just have dropped a hint at some point. pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 10, 2010 19:26:07 GMT -5
I too doubted they thought Randall was involved so much...Roz didn't so much bat an eye when Wazowski mentions Randall was working late last night on the scarefloor. So apparently even Roz knows that it's not uncommon for Randall to get a few canisters in after hours.
*taps lip* Of course that would lead to a speculation if Randall even WAS in on it in all that time. Afterall, have to take into account the fact that he trained Sullivan and Wazowski off-site of Monsters Inc. So it's not too farfetched that Waternoose might have had other dealings at the time or other pawns to manipulate.
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Post by mentalguru on Mar 10, 2010 19:47:06 GMT -5
Late over here! But had to check in.
The concept of Waternoose involving someone else is very intriguing in premise for me. Plus, Waternoose knew the number for the banishment door number off pat- and I've been wondering for a while if he had more than one personal door too if you get my drift.
Randall is only 24/25 too then, we have to remember that, so he would have been about 22/23 at the time Roz started this whole undercover thing. And if we take one of the few extended canon facts uncontradicted he was also a trainer (of Sulley). And it's my own personal thoughts that Randall gave up being a trainer (which probably took up time) when the whole plot started or soon afterwards. He's probably been a trainer for a little while at least.
Perhaps the disappearance of this (potential) earlier victim tipped them off. They smelt something was a bit fishy with the whole thing and so Roz was sent.
She was also set up as the .. (secretary?) or the scarefloor with the TOP TWO SCARERS too. Could this have been a factor in her choice? Perhaps Sulley and Randall's particular floor however was known to be involved in some form before hand or perhaps it wasn't. But she was working near the FLOOR where the events took place.
It's hard to say how they could have been tipped off for certain. Randall only went to go after Boo that one time from what we can see.
(Unless... a kid being let in/taken in HAS happened before in relation to the whole thing, but they've kept it under wraps themselves. But we've no proof of THAT. Plus it still wouldn't tell us how they found out.)
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Perhaps they 'keep an eye' on... the numbers. And when they found some depletion in funds, but weren't able to trace where it was going/who was getting it but...
But they're not the CRIME Detection Agency (at least not in the MOVIE). Their primary focus seems to be involving Boo and Waternoose when he says he'd take human kids.
The CDA is fascinating to me, albeit while being pretty creepy and utterly confusing at the same time. They undertake/are responsible for it seems however in the movie anything related to OUR world almost- they're not only decontamination workers it seems- Roz is proof that they also do detective work and spy too.
It probably is in relation to a human being involved in some form though, right? Blue collar crimes or building machines wouldn't be their main concern- Boo being brought in would be, at least in legal terms in the movie, though I've already said I suspect Roz etc. knew humans weren't toxic, by the fact they don't give Mike and Sulley the 'treatment'.
Which makes you wonder what on earth the CDA are even FOR.
You'd think actually if the whole 'toxicity no longer exists/ or even NEVER existed' people would be really steamed at the CDA, they're probably on some level, with their tech, also responsible for scientific knowledge of the humans in terms of toxicity, and to find it doesn't EXIST, it at the very least looks like they've dropped the ball HARD if not been delibrately misleading (and I suspect the latter more) at the very least.
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RB: We have to account for acting too though... but Roz doesn't give many expressions anyway. Monotone. But I suspect Roz is good at her job for that reason.
Thing is we have no evidence she knew it was Randall EITHER. Except she WAS on his floor. So maybe.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 10, 2010 20:28:25 GMT -5
*shakes head* I doubt Waternoose would have more than one actually. These doors are made specifically for Banishment. One should question...where he got it from heh heh.
*nods* Randall was on loan at the time, so he was technically there at the special "Scare Island" facility as an additional trainer. Specifically this seemed to span the time Sullivan and Wazowski, AND ACTUALLY...ROZ, was there. Sherry Flint actually was THERE too.
But yes, Randall soon let go of the trainer option shortly after Sullivan and Wazowski's graduation from the training program, probably a little prideful to see if his training-career (short as it was) paid off.
*shrugs* Maybe. Though I might guess that if Waternoose had the option of exhiling Wazowski and Sullivan, two well known employees and one a celebrity at the time, anybody lesser-known would just be a stone between his claws.
*taps lip* Of course this ALSO doesn't exclude her suspecion of Wazowski however. But...apparently this might also go with the theory of the numbers on Floor F being rigged in favor of Sullivan.
Doubt there were others, at least where Randall is concerned. He would have dragged time on to make sure the machine wasn't lethal, probably something Waternoose was angry about where time was concerned.
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Funds? *shakes head* Na. Apparently the Scream Extractor was made from Monsters Inc. materials. Although this MIGHT mean that Waternoose set up a few "accidents" as a cover to use "faulty machinery" for the Extractor.
*chuckles* Apparently the CDA have to be doing allot more than they appear to *chuckles*
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That I've considered. Nothing really surprises Roz much. Even when she was on Scare Island, it appears that whomever comes in doesn't impress her much at all.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 10, 2010 20:28:48 GMT -5
Yeah, but MIKE was on that floor, too, and it's likely, judging from her obvious suspicions of him(she actually warns him that she is "always watching" him)that he was the main suspect, and perhaps Sulley, as well. Come on, I know I'm not the only one(along with Randall, of course)who found that Sullivan's astounding success for a prolonged period of time, out of all the thousands of employees, was more than a bit "off". Logic dictates that something just isn't right about that. To someone like Roz, logic would make one wonder what was going on there.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 10, 2010 20:33:19 GMT -5
I think that might be a contributing factor to Roz seeing Randall as less of a suspect, seeing as how he seems to be the ONLY one (that we see, aside from Fungus though), who knows there IS something "off".
Perhaps the investigaton started when the Scream Shortage was orchastrated (something that Waternoose himself wouldn't be able to instigate alone). And that Monsters Inc., the famous contributor to Monstropolis power, was "looked into" to see what was going on.
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Post by mentalguru on Mar 11, 2010 6:24:45 GMT -5
Suspicions of Mike/Sulley are possible.
But Roz didn't know it went all the way up to Waternoose either RB. Unless she was lying. But for the sake of argument we'll take her word on that she didn't have an idea of Waternoose's true intentions or his part in all this. Possibly suspected SOME higher up though- not Waternoose specifically. Maybe someone even BELOW Waternoose was suspected, not someone on a CEO's level anyway.
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Heck, I 'm wondering if there wasn't anyone else 'in the know' too- below Waternoose but above Randall in the company. But we've no proof of that.
There was also a CAMERA on the scare floor too, you know when Jerry pressed the button- as soon as he did, it wirred and locked in on the sock on George.
Is this camera the companies or the CDAs? It would result in Randalls need for the fake canister set thing- but he took a BOX out of the room, which would be taken by such a camera and looks... odd. You might not immediately suspect he has a KID but it looks weird and suspicious to view all the same. You know when he takes Mike by mistake. And he kind of shows the camera (if it is on) that the canisters are FAKE.
Perhaps he and/or Waternoose didn't think about that camera in the plan? Or Randall forgot?
It sounds stupid of him, but it isn't really, people make mistakes and forget about seemingly important details even when they're clever- plus Randall was kind of lacking sleep for the most part, and possibly didn't think about it at that time- the CAMERA could have played a role though. NOT in tipping them off, but in them realising on that LAST day that Randall was involved. Because Randall forgot about it. Is that camera on all the time though or is it on standby all the time until that CDA button is pressed? Heck, wouldn't some security people be paid off/blackmailed possibly even if it is the companies/on all the time?
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 11, 2010 16:38:32 GMT -5
Good point on the camera thing, BUT, if the CDA DID know that Randall was up to something, and had proof on camera of him taking things from the Scare Floor that seemed suspicious, why wait this long? They would have had enough evidence to at least call him in for questioning. Roz seemed to indicate that their investigations were getting them nowhere until Mike and Sulley accidentally stumbled upon what was really happening, by pure chance as it were.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 11, 2010 19:27:10 GMT -5
*nods*
I didn't say at the time she knew it went up to Waternoose.
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*brushes shoulder* Of course that's not to say there were people "in the know" ABOVE Waternoose.
Actually the canister "box" would be "just in case" anybody was working late. He'd take a precuation like that. Not to mention that the extra box, canister-wise, would keep the noise out. If these are indeed from gutted canisters which hold vast amounts of Scream, they could certainly hold noise.
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