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Post by sgtyayap on Feb 26, 2010 16:00:09 GMT -5
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Post by mistica0christina on Feb 26, 2010 18:42:49 GMT -5
Huh, so now we have some more credibility to these rumors then...although I would prefer to see this announcement come from Pixar because for me, that would be more concrete evidence whether this movie was a go or not.
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Post by sgtyayap on Feb 26, 2010 18:44:57 GMT -5
True. But the fact that we keep hearing more and more of these rumors as of lately makes me more skeptical about Pixar NOT doing one as we speak.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 26, 2010 23:21:35 GMT -5
This still isn't anymore "official" than the Jim Hill blog, though. The writer just says it comes from a "credible source" who is "in the know" about Pixar, but Jim Hill claims to have been in that room at that "secret" meeting with Pixar and Disney folks when they announced to the select members of the media that they were making a sequel. I DO believe that there will be a sequel, though, especially since the also-unofficial rumor that Newt would NOT be released in 2012, but would be replaced by some other movie. My guess is that the other movie is M.I.2.
I guess that you're "Monsters, Inc. Fan" in the comments section, SgtYayap? I noticed that you weren't the only one who voiced concern that there would be a lame-ass revenge plot by "that lizard guy". Apparently we're not the only ones who fear that this is exactly what Pixar has in mind.
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Post by randomdrifter on Feb 27, 2010 2:21:46 GMT -5
Yeah, doesn't sound like a very credible source to me either. I don't know how much credibility someone like "El Guapo", or anyone else for that matter, may possibly have on a blog website. I don't mean to bring anyone's hopes down, but unless the news comes from a studio representative directly and without the need to post it on a blog that ISN'T affiliated with Pixar, I just won't buy it. I honestly have been hoping for a VERY long time for a sequel, because I truly loved the World of Monsters Pixar created. Pixar has a tendency to break out the official news pretty close to a release date (i.e., about a year away) so at this point, I'm at a loss for what to think, say, or even hope for regarding a sequel. One thing that WAS certain on that blog though: Pixar has been going off on a sequel-releasing frenzy.
It's a shame to me that Pixar felt that a movie like Cars even needed a sequel, but I suppose plenty of people out there think the same thing about M.I.
We'll see what happens.
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Post by sgtyayap on Feb 27, 2010 8:30:11 GMT -5
I guess that you're "Monsters, Inc. Fan" in the comments section, SgtYayap? I noticed that you weren't the only one who voiced concern that there would be a lame-ass revenge plot by "that lizard guy". Apparently we're not the only ones who fear that this is exactly what Pixar has in mind. pitbulllady No, I hadn't even looked at the comments. Nice to know that there are others, though.  |
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 27, 2010 13:03:02 GMT -5
I guess that you're "Monsters, Inc. Fan" in the comments section, SgtYayap? I noticed that you weren't the only one who voiced concern that there would be a lame-ass revenge plot by "that lizard guy". Apparently we're not the only ones who fear that this is exactly what Pixar has in mind. pitbulllady No, I hadn't even looked at the comments. Nice to know that there are others, though. Really? Wonder who "Monsters, Inc. Fan" is, then? They made a direct reference to the "retarded-ass" BOOM! Comic plot of Randall returning to get revenge on Mike and Sulley, and I'd at least figured that it was someone from this board. Another commenter also mentioned that the notion of that "lizard guy" coming back for revenge would be "lame". Yes, it IS good to see that there are others who share our concerns, not only for Randall's sake, but for Pixar's, since this would really be "jumping the shark" if they did have that as a plot, at least, if there was no change of heart on Randall's part. pitbulllady |
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Post by mentalguru on Feb 27, 2010 13:08:02 GMT -5
It is kind of nice to know- seems like they like all the characters, but they specifically mentioned Randall and Waternoose and it seems like they don't think much of revenge sequels- they said they liked ALL the characters. Looks like there are some general M.I. fans out there, not just Randall fans who wouldn't like that idea or are concerned and thought the comics were subpar.
Granted, I'm not just a Randall fan either- I'm a fan of Sulley, I have concerns on how they'll handle Boo (if they go down the route of not making her older- the sequel is AUTOMATICALLY completely without basis and should be considered AU canon at best. No exceptions. At all. The Narnia concept renders the entire world set up as illogical and it cannot work at ALL on the basis of what we see.) And while I can't say I'd like them if I met them in real life- Waternoose and the CDA are fascinating in their own way. Make you wonder how they came to be that way, for instance. How the Waternooses got that door, how the CDA got that much power, how much they've abused it in the past/will do so in the future in the CDAs case.
And I also agree with rd that we should be suspicious of this but I also agree that- the monster world in of itself is fascinating. The world exploration in SciFi is the icing on the cake for me usually though- if the characters grab me (which in Sulley's and Randall's case and how the whole Boo thing will work out, as well as to a certain extent even Waternoose and the CDA), and since I kind of care about Sulley and Randall, I therefore will care about the world they live in and the culture. It's the same with Avatar: the last airbender. Aang (and also, Zuko), make me care about them, as well as their friendship against all odds being fantastic- and their world is fascinating to explore, as well as any potential conflicts they may have in the future with other people or each other.
I've said it before: If the M.I sequel people do NOT go through the entire movie MANY MANY times with a fine toothed comb. If they don't imploy logical sound reasoning as well when it comes on extrapolating on the PAST of these characters not shown as well (such as the fact of course, Randall would have never been hired in the state he was), if they don't acknowledge Sulley's identificable character trait of self-blame "How could I do this, how I could be so stupid?" which could result in interesting mental consequences based on his actions from his vindictive side which WAS really his fault- and yet show not one shred of DOUBT over the action... I'm not sure if I can say it would be him. Plus the fact that Randall's exile would not make sense if it was illegal, the fact the CDA are (probably unintentionally) a bit creepy and dishonest to say the least... I don't know. What do you do when official canon doesn't make sense and breaks the laws of the universe?
Granted, Harry Potter CERTAINLY is a stellar example of how a creator can write their own creations OOC. Time is the issue here. If they just remember the vague plot of Monsters Inc, and maybe watch it just once again after god knows how many years- they'll miss out on details. They'll forget things. They'll not realise perhaps that some things in the sequel do not make sense in light of the original film.
Basically, and while they may thing it's 'boring' or whatever- they'll have to sit by the screen with notes on hand when they play the movie... over... and over... and over... rather like a slightly deranged fan in fact perhaps would (not that I ever took notes on a boring weekend when I was sick and miserable or anything... no not at all... um yeah. What?). They'll have to work out EXACTLY how the monster world works from what we know in the first film. The fact they have 'juries' for example- the line seems so SMALL but it actually counts for a lot doesn't it. Bizzarley, Mike is pretty much a good character in this way- he gives quite a few insights in some ways, if by accident, into what the world is like- he even remember shows us exiled monsters are household names, and he's the most blatent and upfront indication of how monsters viewed humans at the time).
That's the thing though- I do think M.I. needs a sequel myself... but it's pretty much the most difficult one for them to have a crack at in some respects. Just one slip up...
As mentioned before elsewhere- I think of Randall's exile being Pixar's equivilant of C.S.Lewis' lamppost in Narnia- when a FAN asked him why the hec it was there- he produced the entire series just answering that question.
It was a plot hole, a technical mistake he hadn't really thought about.
I don't see why Pixar can't do the same really in this case. They didn't know of the major plothole they'd have created perhaps at the time, but it has potential to produce something great if they run with it. Crack their fingers and go: hey wait a minute.
Read: Potential. It doesn't mean they'd jump on this opportunity really unfortunatly.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 27, 2010 19:45:06 GMT -5
MONSTERS INC 2
Still...it leaves one to wonder. How many rumors about M.I.'s sequel have been publically posted lately? If there were several, then this is merely rumor, if not, it at least gives it the benefit of the doubt.
I figured Cars ended on a good note...but the plot they have of cars around the world for a big race seems to be a good one in my opinion. So I'd say let them have this one....though we'll just have to see how it pans out.
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Wasn't me either. Whomever these people are are certainly enlightened, especially when it comes to the BOOM! comic plots.
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*nods* Boo has to be older to some degree. If she is NOT at all changed in some-way, Pixar failed. Because it's just not right to have her "cuteness" evict her from everything.
A saving grace in Doctor's last film, Up, was the beginning. It had a thought provoking and understandable compliation of scenes depicting Elli's depression from their expectations of a child...and her death...it was done in such a well way and wrapped up so nicely in the end. Despite it being Doctor's, who does have some good ideas here and there, it was good. It was a dealable serious moment. And M.I. 2 should have some of these, especially with Sullivan and Randall.
Of course you can't blame Lewis too much. When you make a huge world yourself, there's going to be some slip-ups. But that was original (at least the first book was). M.I. has something to be based on.
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Post by mentalguru on Feb 28, 2010 7:51:52 GMT -5
Oh, I don't blame Lewis- after all no story or world is absolutely perfect. You should try your very best all the same though.
But when he saw this was a possible confusion (what a victorian lamp post was doing in a fantasy setting in the middle of nowhere), did he retract it? Did he ignore it or the fan? No. In fact he saw an opportunity and ran with it.
I don't like EVERYTHING in the Narnia series even so of course. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is an example of when Christ symbolism works in a story and can give good morals. But some aspects of the series take it too far and it doesn't work/give good morals. Like waiting being a good strategy. Or something to that effect (it's been a while). But also had good things- like doing what's right isn't necessarily what's easy etc. Plus Lewis is (minus Tolkein perhaps), is one of the first fantasy authors people think about. He's definitly in the first five most people would list off the top of their heads probably.
You can learn more from mistakes than successes. There are sometimes too more OPPORTUNITIES which can result from a failure (however small) than a success. Lewis had this really. He wasn't INSULTED or he didn't hide away when the question was asked- instead he decided to create something more.
Learning from your own mistakes or others mistakes is what makes you better- in all aspects of life, including creation. Irronically, this would also make a good theme for M.I. I feel.
Honestly I once had thoughts of M.I. having some trilogy deal when I was younger- and the second movie would have Sulley dealing with the CDA (or something to that effect) and then in the end doing the Star Wars route of "Screw you, I'm going to save him." (Kind of like with Skywalker did to his mentor saving his dad), and then we'd be left- ON A CLIFF HANGER as Sulley goes to the human world. This was before I knew TS had a sequel even, I was only a vague Pixar fan at best then and it was before I fully acknowledged the CDAs creepiness- I more thought they may end up being simply like the mentor way- the hero would shed them away in order to do the right thing when it became clear their way of doing things was not working for him. Granted in a way, I keep this, but then I came to thinking the CDA could be antagonists in their own right rather than just a hinderance/folly of the hero of the story.
And the third movie would be in the human world with an epic adventure and mass panic and OH-CRAP THE MONSTER WORLD IS EXPOSED.Or something. (This was when I had a silly theory that people are allergic to making only one sequel and movies either come in ones or threes eventually...granted TS3 might prove this?)
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Post by mistica0christina on Aug 24, 2010 13:06:31 GMT -5
Typing quickly cause I have to go to work but just letting you know of what I read on Wikipedia (not reliable I know but it works for me) MI2 has been pushed up to Nov 2 in order to avoid conflict with the final Twilight film. Doctor is not going to return as director, and Newt is officially canceled....and gotta go to work now.
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Post by randomdrifter on Sept 9, 2010 3:18:58 GMT -5
Oh wow. Seriously? So Pixar moved a film release date for an even bigger movie hit. But I guess I wouldn't blame anyone for that move, Twilight pretty much speaks for itself, and with a ferocious pack (no pun intended) of foamy-mouthed tweens and teens, MI 2 doesn't have a shot in hell of luring an audience away from something that has become even greater than any Pixar movie so far. I found another link, which only proves just how desperate I am of finding any shred of relevance of news about the film's progress so far. www.cinemablend.com/new/Twilight-Scares-Off-Monsters-Inc-2-19989.htmlAnd just for some extra bits and pieces of news from an interview with Lee Unkrich that may or may not be reliable/real: www.movieweb.com/news/NEdrIKST65WHhhI also thought I should mention that I heard a hip, modern remake of "If I didn't have you" sung by Emily Osment and some other teen from High School Musical? Hanna Montana? I don't know, but I guess my local Macy's now has it playing at its Junior's section. |
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Post by mistica0christina on Sept 9, 2010 10:24:03 GMT -5
Well, not too much more but yeah, I agree with you. Changing the date was the smart thing to do because let's face the facts, vampire and werewolf fever has our nation's teens by storm and if you want any shot of having an audience, best not compete with Twilight cause your profits will probably die within minutes.
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Post by randomdrifter on Sept 14, 2010 2:03:54 GMT -5
One other thing that I've been wondering:
Exactly how long does it take Pixar to do a movie? I think I've read or heard that the entire process of developing a film from concept to the finished product was over a span of 4 to 5 years, but don't quote me on that. Given that MI 2 was confirmed and given a release date 2 years from now, what stage do you guys think the sequel is in right now? In regards to plot and story, is MI 2 beyond tweaking anything in its storyline at this rate? Ultimately, who has a final word on how its story will turn out, even though it's a collaborative project? I'm just curious...
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Post by sgtyayap on Sept 19, 2010 6:57:47 GMT -5
That I don't know, unfortunately. RB once told me that it actually takes LESS than 4 to 5 years, which I personally am counting on for the sake of Randall's role.
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